Unregistered, whatcha workin on right now?

Therrin

Good to know.

I think alot of people hesitate to institute the 3 second rule, in the thinking that their horse either wont forgive them, or that they don't understand the purpose behind it. You cant be too soft with an animal that outweighs you by 4x or more... Heck, that rule even works on chickens

Thanks for the response.

ritchie.426nz

Hi all!!!!

Work is quiet at the moment, middle of winter over here so not much happenening with peoples lawns, bikes or wood!! I work at a small business with the owner and another mechanic. I work on Polaris quads, chainsaws of all makes and mowers/ride ons. We are a Husky dealer as well. At the moment I have a 3120 im putting together, have just smoothed and matched the cases and assembled them. I have a 281 waiting to become a 288 hot saw and a 066 that might get the same treatment! I have another 066 that I am putting together that will owe me about 30 bucks when done!! I also have a 2077 jonny, 40 husky and a top handle echo (a great little saw, probably the best value for money saw I ve ever owned!!) and a 015. In the past Ive owned 084, plenty of 066's, 2083, 45 husky's and a 620 pioneer!!

One of the 066 saws is the one with out a decomp, we dont see much of these, this is only the second one I have seen. Are there many of them around??

Im also trying to find the max rpm for 023, 026, 044 and 046. If any one needs any husky info let me no!!!

treevet

Welcome Ritchie, we love to hear that kind of talk. Can't know too much about our beloved tools of the trade.

Top handle husky.....one of your favorite saws. Do you compare that to a ms200?

ACTREESERVICE

Fighting with Stihl about there MS 192 T C-E saw. We had one drop 40 ft due to a bad design on the carry ring. My climber was topping a 60 ft maple and let go of the saw on its 1ft bungee lanyard to hold on for the ride. The ring on the back side snapped right out of the saw and down it went. $350 loss. Neither Stihl or there local dealer (179 Seacoast Power Equipment) will stand behind the product. Tha sad part is the dealer is the one that told us we could use the "carrying ring" to hook the bungee to. He didn't say that it was a carrying ring only.

Has anyone else had an issue with this? And is there any other saw like this on the market?

We like the saw, but we are not too happy with Stihl!

Therrin

the ms200T is by far the better saw for professional use. However, that being said, I've clipped and dropped my 200T on its carrying ring several feet on a bungee or even just a lanyard without any problems.

We had a thread going some while back which was trying to define the amount of force necessary to seperate the ring from the back of the saw casing. I'm not sure where the thread went.

But if you only dropped it a foot and it snapped off, on a bungee, that sounds kinda defective to me.

Topping a maple??? I dont suppose you took pictures?
Why'd you decide to top it?

jeffswede

That saw is for home owners, and no-one I know would trust that little piece of ring. I bet Stihl has already covered their azz. If it were your saw, would you trust that ring?
Jeff

Therrin

I do, and it works just fine!

I clip a carabiner to it, and then clip the bungee to that. Never had a problem with it. But then, I only ever let it drop a couple feet at the most, or lower it down at my side.

I'm finding it hard to beleive that a drop of only A FOOT would cause a seperation, but then my saw also isnt a 192T.


Why build a top handle home owner grade saw anyway? That's just begging for people to climb with it who dont belong up in their trees.

Apocalypsse

Such an epic day yesterday, locked my keys in the car. Tried the bosses trick of using a wedge to pull the door open a bit and get some packing tape in there but it didnt work coz Toyota is too pro for that. Coathanger didnt work either. 20 minutes later the boss arrived, I managed to wedge the drivers side window open a bit as I always leave it open a crack. The boss managed to fish out the keys from the ignition with a long piece of wire.

Gotta love getting paid to get the keys out of your locked car.

Therrin

A piece of advice.

After having to do that WAY too many times; I bought a magnetic key holder for $5 from walmart. Made a copy, and put it in the holder and slapped it up underneath on the frame.

I do some pretty crazy driving (or at leas..used to), and the thing NEVER bounced off. And, it'd take someone a long long time to find it only if they knew it was actually under there somewhere. Easy to hide, but hard to find unless you know right where it is.

It's saved my bacon a couple times now.

The OTHER trick... if you have Triple A (AAA, not AA), you can go in to a local branch office, and they'll laser cut you a little thin plastic insert that fits in your wallet like a credit card, but it has a fold-out plastic key that's strong enough to open your door with. I keep that in my wallet all the time.

That's a really pro option in case you dont wanna use a magnet box. I think even if you dont have AAA, they'll do it for you for a small fee.

jeffswede

Maybe you hit the nail on the head Therrin, your saw is not a 192, All my guys use the ring but all are 200T's. I think the 192T is not for production work but a lot of people are trying to save costs and such, that they think they can replace a 200 with a 192 and save money. Oh well.
Jeff

Bruce Hopf

I have to agree with Ken here, because I too find it hard to believe. If the Chain Saw only fell a foot, and broke free, how in the World did your Climber get to the Top of the Tree, without loosing the Chain Saw?
Correct me if I'm wrong here (I have never climbed with a Chain Saw before) but isn't there a lot of Jerking and Jolting and of coarse Swinging back and forth, to the Chain Saw while climbing with Spurs or a Ladder, or even that matter, Walking around the Tree?
There had to be a Flaw in the Material of the Chain Saw where the Ring connects, or the Ring for it to drop after a short fall like that.
Stihl should do something about this matter for you. I'd ask when the Regional Manager from Stihl is going to be around, or find out who he is, and call him yourself. Just my opinion though. Bruce

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newguy18

Maybe they were removing it and took the top out,i always say i topped a tree before i blocked it down.

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ritchie.426nz

Its a lil 30cc Echo. Not a big fan of the top handled husky or stihl. The Echo is japanese and the reliability and performance is very hard to match!!

We get a HUGE range of saws over here, as our "EPA" laws are very lax so weve become a dumping ground for a lot of saws that cant get into other contries....yay....not!!!

Therrin

Or it could be that the guy has always been told that
|----------------| That is 8 inches

Maybe "a foot" was more like....6 feet. Which is pretty likely. "oh i only dropped it a foot and it broke" sounds better than saying "doh! I dropped it like 6 feet and the ring snapped off, sorry boss"

jeffswede

I have never seen a lanyard 12 inches long. Do you un-clip it to use the saw? Or do you need really small arms that only reach 12 inches trom your body?
Jeff

Therrin

they make bungee lanyards. A bungee inside a 1" tubular webbing that self-retracts, but can reach out several feet. so when it's clipped to you its right at your waist, the material is only a foot or two long when slack, but when stretched its 3 or 4.

Yeah im callling beeee esssss on this one.

ACTREESERVICE

Ok - my mistake! I just spoke to my partner and he corrected me on the size of the lanyard/drop. It is more like 2-3 ft. And of course he had a hard time laughing at the responses due to my not knowing.

As far as topping the tree goes it all depends on the site. If we have limited area to take the whole tree down we will take it down in sections. My apologoies if I don't know the "Industry Terminlogy". I call it topping.

Anyway the fact is Stihl doesn't want to stand behind the product. Nor does the dealer that sold it. Thanks for the responses and recommendations.

Therrin

You could almost compare something like this to a fall factor. A 3 foot drop onto a lanyard exerts forces that become compounded.

Considering fall factor on the human body when using a static line....
So it really matters whether he was reaching up above his head when he dropped the saw on the lanyard, or whether it was near his side when he dropped it. Either way, an ms192T weighs 7lbs (powerhead only), so lets say 8lbs for the whole package.

The actual equations can be found here:
http://www.rockclimbing.com/cgi-bin/...postatt_id=350

And goes too far into depth for me to cover on this thread, but suffice it to say, that an 8 pound load, dropped a distance of 2 to 6 feet (6 feet being a 3 foot lanyard dropped from overhead) creates shock loading of the ring at the back of the saw equal to several times the weight of the saw alone. Equivelant to dropping say 20lb to maybe 40lb on the strength of that ring.

With this new information, its NOT suprising the ring broke. I dont think that's a defect, I think its a judgement error on the part of the climber.

newguy18

Its just weird though,even 2-3 feet,my saw lanyards are 6' long and I've dumped the 192 several times and it never broke,maybe the bolt that holds the ring in place was loose or broken?

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Therrin

6'??? Wow... I usually make them long enough that the bar dangles below my feet, but 6'?? I HATE long lanyards cuz they get caught up in stuff while you're working, and you get your gaffs and feet through them and all tangled up.

Yeah I dunno. Maybe if he was fibbing on the length of the drop then he also forgot to mention that the bar stuck in the top as it was going over and the top pulled the saw right to the ground? Shucks...

Eric Frei

Good part about a bungee lanyard is some cushioning if you drop the saw, get a bungee lanyard.

Any dealer is going to say that the saws were tested and to pull the ring out takes xKG of force and that was exceeded .... however, stiff cheddar if your saw was faulty, do they test every single one? Can you pull up by serial number the precise test results? Yeah, sort of a catch 22 where you are guilty till proven innocent, and innocence is simply not worth pursuing legally.

Try the Dept of Fair trading or Consumer Affairs, they could take the case on if they believe there is a fault. Tests would also be done on the ring, screws etc ... see what gave and how. They ain't dumb all these CSI style folks.

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Therrin

Still though, for the cost of the saw? what, $300? that's barely enough to be worth your time in small claims court.

Someone already offered to see about helping you fix/replace the housing and ring. If nothing else maybe its a hint to upgrade to the 200T if you plan to keep using that type of saw for any kind of professional work.

win some, lose some.

Apocalypsse

Mmmm, first day of TAFE. Didnt realise there were soo many knots, im gonna go crazy trying to remember them all.

Eric Frei

How many you got to worry about?

I think we had 8 knots but seriously, out there I use more than that.

These are two scenarios that seems to baffle most in the field. We are going to pull something but no ropes are long enough so we need to join the ropes.

Best knot for joining 2 ropes together of same diameter?

Best knot for joining 2 ropes together of different diameter?

Could make another thread out of this but lets see how we all go, I wont answer yet.

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Projects have been a bit slow for the first half of this year but get the feeling confidence is coming back into the market slowly. I've attached a pic of my latest completed project.
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Eric Frei

Wow, that's pretty neat!

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stargazer

Wow! Very nice. The curves, the space, the room, all integrated. You are an artist.

treegirl

i made it to australia, and slipping into the lifestyle just nicely. moving up to cairns in the spring, anyone got any tips as to who's good to work for up there? been hearing all sorts of tales about the infamous 'green ant'...sure i understand they sting a tad, but am i gonna come up in a permanent rash? a chick with a chainsaw driving a ute is all well and good i'm not sure i could pull it off so well covered in pimples? tell me about them...

Done it

Good luck.

I hate that place, everything bites. Best thing about Cairns is the airport or the road out of town. [Don't tell my sister] Kuranda is nice.

theo

clear cutting about 25 acres of woods for irrigator to swing thru for pasture