YOU rate this hazard - tree - fork

Ekka · 3rd November 2007, 01:15 PM

There's a mill of sorts in Beaudesert that said they take good log but all these are bad.

So looks like firewood.

What's happened is it's a small street and they all got together. One guy has a bobcat etc and they'll clean them up. But they're too risky to fell for the home-owners so I do it @ $100 per tree.

At that price all felling is from the ground and damage to fences or other trees is OK, just dont hit houses or power lines.

Many regret not clearing their blocks when the dozers cut the pads for the houses, but they say the cost was pretty high.

a_lopa · 3rd November 2007, 09:10 PM

Cable them all eric,Im sure the customer would agree!!!

treeseer · 4th November 2007, 02:03 AM

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Originally Posted by a_lopa

Cable them all eric,Im sure the customer would agree!!!

Remove them all, Jason. I'm sure you won't run out of work!!!

Not.

"Get your hand off it"? Class outfit of wankers you got here eric.

Ekka · 4th November 2007, 02:06 AM

Wankers!

These are the good guys, I'll show you some real wankers if you like.

Guy, a video is up on how I dealt with 8 of the weeds.

jim1nz · 4th November 2007, 04:57 AM

Hahaha good little debate going on here guys.

All you can do is give options but your the professional and if the client has any sense they will take the advice you recommend, dont forget that.

I installed around 12 cable static braces and about 60 cobra dynamic braces this summer. Im so proud to be able to save a tree when and where ever i can. Its important to advise the client about bracing trees and the ramifications of it.

playfordtree · 4th November 2007, 05:14 AM

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Originally Posted by treeseer

Remove them all, Jason. I'm sure you won't run out of work!!!

Not.

"Get your hand off it"? Class outfit of wankers you got here eric.

Aw C'mon Treeseer it's just a bit of verbal jousting

You weren't serious??? when you suggested cabling were you?

Ekka · 5th November 2007, 02:48 AM

The video is OUT.

Yes, we cabled alright.

Big Ironbark

TrevMcRev · 5th November 2007, 03:11 AM

Ekkaaaaa, I thought you must have finally cabled a tree!!!
Oh well.

DRANO · 5th November 2007, 08:00 PM

cabling in the proper setting,and of course amount of decay,that is the kind of hazard tree that will give me my overtime on the next good wind storm,if the utility dont want it down,the people if they spend time in yard or have children should address safest stategy to limit the risk factor,,hope all are well DRANO

bigshea13 · 28th February 2008, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by treeseer

Before the defect can be judged, it must be measured. How bad is that decay? Is the tree compartmentalizing it? If so and that is the only defect, then cable it. You all have heard of cabling, right?

C A B L E for those Chicken Little

devotees who haven't, and still think that every hazard should be removed.

cable it to what? the other lead? so you either have it sever on the line side shift all the weight to other lead and have that bust off and hit the house or you have the opposite occur and take out the electrical line {hope no one is anywhere near when that catastrophe happens. if they are i hope they get it on video.

playfordtree · 28th February 2008, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by bigshea13

cable it to what? the other lead? so you either have it sever on the line side shift all the weight to other lead and have that bust off and hit the house or you have the opposite occur and take out the electrical line {hope no one is anywhere near when that catastrophe happens. if they are i hope they get it on video.

+1

I dont know much about cabling as it isn't to common here in Aus.
I can see how it could be a good thing to save a tree that would otherwise have to be euthanised but how far do you take it?

Treeseer seems to be the king of cabling, but i cant get him to answer any of my questions?
(maybe i have to wait until i'm qualified then i'll be worthy of a response)

treeseer · 28th February 2008, 07:14 PM

mixed up[ threads; can't tell which tree is up for the ax.

Plant something better, that's all there is to do.

Can't save em all but worth saving many.

newguy18 · 28th February 2008, 08:26 PM

Depends Guy,most of the bigger oaks down here after they get bigger than 2' in diameter or sooner get extensive heart rot more times than not.Would you be willing to cable a tree thats standing on a mere 10 inch ring of wood?i wouldn't.

Ekka · 28th February 2008, 09:12 PM

Oaks vs gum trees for cabling, big difference IMHO.

Was just discussing today the longivity of both species and the differences.

In our grand discussions we concluded between the two of us living here a combined 32 years that most gum trees past 100 year old start to crap out anyway. Seldom will you see 200 year old ones.

In our urbanization we decrease that life span, make sure there's no fires and most people plant lawn and mow it.

We are talking here in our place and surrounding districts.

So, oils aint oils Sole the old Castrol ad went, most people live in fear of euc anyway and I ask many many people, arborists in fact, would you like to live underneath a 100' euc? 90%+ answer no, funny that.

Now in some cases the councils have said "you must live under that" coz they protected them, then they failed and if the rate payer didn't sue the councils azz off the insurance company did.

Eucs, well you've seen a whole bunch out at this site getting felled, you've seen the rot, so have the customers and they say it GOES, save the cable for the internet.

bigshea13 · 28th February 2008, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by newguy18

Depends Guy,most of the bigger oaks down here after they get bigger than 2' in diameter or sooner get extensive heart rot more times than not.Would you be willing to cable a tree thats standing on a mere 10 inch ring of wood?i wouldn't.

maybe the physics involved arent understood

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3rd November 2007, 01:15 PM	#26 (permalink)
Ekka Eric Frei Administrator - Brisbane L5 (Dip) Hort Cert III Arb + some Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 6,933	Re: YOU rate this hazard - tree - fork There's a mill of sorts in Beaudesert that said they take good log but all these are bad. So looks like firewood. What's happened is it's a small street and they all got together. One guy has a bobcat etc and they'll clean them up. But they're too risky to fell for the home-owners so I do it @ $100 per tree. At that price all felling is from the ground and damage to fences or other trees is OK, just dont hit houses or power lines. Many regret not clearing their blocks when the dozers cut the pads for the houses, but they say the cost was pretty high. __________________ Remember to use the "search" function, if you have answers/questions post them so everyone can benefit. Free Tree and Green Industry Link Directory Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding and Stump Removal Brisbane Brisbane Tree Care, Consultations, Developer, Tree and Arborist Reports Forum Sponsors

3rd November 2007, 09:10 PM	#27 (permalink)
a_lopa Over mature heritage tree Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Drouin Posts: 877	Re: YOU rate this hazard - tree - fork Cable them all eric,Im sure the customer would agree!!! __________________ Free Tree Industry Link Directory Drouin tree lopping, land clearing and stump removals

4th November 2007, 02:06 AM	#29 (permalink)
Ekka Eric Frei Administrator - Brisbane L5 (Dip) Hort Cert III Arb + some Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 6,933	Re: YOU rate this hazard - tree - fork Wankers! These are the good guys, I'll show you some real wankers if you like. Guy, a video is up on how I dealt with 8 of the weeds. __________________ Remember to use the "search" function, if you have answers/questions post them so everyone can benefit. Free Tree and Green Industry Link Directory Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding and Stump Removal Brisbane Brisbane Tree Care, Consultations, Developer, Tree and Arborist Reports Forum Sponsors

4th November 2007, 04:57 AM	#30 (permalink)
jim1nz Mature tree Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Tauranga, New Zealand Posts: 296	Re: YOU rate this hazard - tree - fork Hahaha good little debate going on here guys. All you can do is give options but your the professional and if the client has any sense they will take the advice you recommend, dont forget that. I installed around 12 cable static braces and about 60 cobra dynamic braces this summer. Im so proud to be able to save a tree when and where ever i can. Its important to advise the client about bracing trees and the ramifications of it. __________________ SPEED ALWAYS FOLLOWS TECHNIQUE

5th November 2007, 02:48 AM	#32 (permalink)
Ekka Eric Frei Administrator - Brisbane L5 (Dip) Hort Cert III Arb + some Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 6,933	Re: YOU rate this hazard - tree - fork The video is OUT. Yes, we cabled alright. Big Ironbark __________________ Remember to use the "search" function, if you have answers/questions post them so everyone can benefit. Free Tree and Green Industry Link Directory Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding and Stump Removal Brisbane Brisbane Tree Care, Consultations, Developer, Tree and Arborist Reports Forum Sponsors

5th November 2007, 03:11 AM	#33 (permalink)
TrevMcRev Over mature heritage tree Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Melbourne, Victoria, Australia. Posts: 734	Re: YOU rate this hazard - tree - fork Ekkaaaaa, I thought you must have finally cabled a tree!!! Oh well. __________________ Melbourne Arborist, Total Tree Care, Pruning, Tree and Stump Removal

5th November 2007, 08:00 PM	#34 (permalink)
DRANO Sappling Join Date: May 2007 Location: VERMONT Posts: 25	Re: YOU rate this hazard - tree - fork cabling in the proper setting,and of course amount of decay,that is the kind of hazard tree that will give me my overtime on the next good wind storm,if the utility dont want it down,the people if they spend time in yard or have children should address safest stategy to limit the risk factor,,hope all are well DRANO

28th February 2008, 07:14 PM	#37 (permalink)
treeseer Over mature heritage tree Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: SE USA Posts: 585	Re: YOU rate this hazard - tree - fork mixed up[ threads; can't tell which tree is up for the ax. Plant something better, that's all there is to do. Can't save em all but worth saving many. __________________ Guy Meilleur \| Forensic Arborist \| Better Tree Care

28th February 2008, 08:26 PM	#38 (permalink)
newguy18 Part of the Furniture Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Live Oak Florida home of the crapiest trees you will ever see. Posts: 2,679	Re: YOU rate this hazard - tree - fork Depends Guy,most of the bigger oaks down here after they get bigger than 2' in diameter or sooner get extensive heart rot more times than not.Would you be willing to cable a tree thats standing on a mere 10 inch ring of wood?i wouldn't. __________________ Have your say join us today. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xzkd_m4ivmc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xzfzb...eature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-OqK...eature=related

28th February 2008, 09:12 PM	#39 (permalink)
Ekka Eric Frei Administrator - Brisbane L5 (Dip) Hort Cert III Arb + some Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 6,933	Re: YOU rate this hazard - tree - fork Oaks vs gum trees for cabling, big difference IMHO. Was just discussing today the longivity of both species and the differences. In our grand discussions we concluded between the two of us living here a combined 32 years that most gum trees past 100 year old start to crap out anyway. Seldom will you see 200 year old ones. In our urbanization we decrease that life span, make sure there's no fires and most people plant lawn and mow it. We are talking here in our place and surrounding districts. So, oils aint oils Sole the old Castrol ad went, most people live in fear of euc anyway and I ask many many people, arborists in fact, would you like to live underneath a 100' euc? 90%+ answer no, funny that. Now in some cases the councils have said "you must live under that" coz they protected them, then they failed and if the rate payer didn't sue the councils azz off the insurance company did. Eucs, well you've seen a whole bunch out at this site getting felled, you've seen the rot, so have the customers and they say it GOES, save the cable for the internet. __________________ Remember to use the "search" function, if you have answers/questions post them so everyone can benefit. Free Tree and Green Industry Link Directory Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding and Stump Removal Brisbane Brisbane Tree Care, Consultations, Developer, Tree and Arborist Reports Forum Sponsors

29th February 2008, 05:16 AM	#41 (permalink)
newguy18 Part of the Furniture