Wind... Where do you draw the line?

quercus · 8th January 2008, 05:26 AM

Hi guys... We've been taking down big pines today and suddenly the wind was getting really gusty... I almost stopped working about 5 times. Wind was about 60 km/h with gusts to 90km/h... The drop rope actually not only kept tops from falling to the ground, it also kept them from flying away...

Where do you guys draw the line?

newguy18 · 8th January 2008, 06:07 AM

I voted that I'm nuts but it almost killed me rigging in the wind once.i hooked about a 10'log limb that over hung a shed.It was maybe 6" in diameter.I cut the limb free and the wind blew it 10'away from me and it caught my climb line on the back swing before I could get out of the way.It resulted in me getting a good wallop and I swung back and missed the trunk by mere inches.

Eric Frei · 8th January 2008, 07:10 AM

Strong wind sucks, we've just come out of 3 weeks of crazy wind.

I dont know about a hard fast rule but depends on the climber, tree and location.

bigshea13 · 8th January 2008, 12:32 PM

interesting. ive actually waited till there were decent gusts before doing several large pines with heavy leans. the winds aided in sailing out the tops away from the house. they were for a friend who didnt have the cash for the job let alone extra help or for a crane. the easiest way to do them was in two pieces and with just the two of us the wind was like having two extra pullers. i was able to remove them for dinner. when christmas came around that year he and his wife bought me a terry redlin print.

treevet · 8th January 2008, 01:52 PM

Sometimes, like with hazard trees that are dangerous to climb, if you ve got storm damage threatening to do mass damage to a building or something valuable and they are a very good client, you got to suck it up under almost any circumstances and do the job or someone else will and then how do you sweet talk your prize client back? I ve climbed trees with horizontal (to the ground) cracks you could put your fingers into when the wind blows that were going to slam the house. Try to get some weight and sail off asap.

ropensaddle · 8th January 2008, 03:29 PM

If limbs are breaking I usually come down

Eric Frei · 8th January 2008, 08:26 PM

Wind ... well I draw the line at wet undies.

Therrin · 8th January 2008, 08:30 PM

Apparently there are alot of us here who're nuts

I only call it quits when its blowing strong enough to break things around me, or if its blowing things I'm rigging towards a target.

Otherwise, the more it's blowing, the more difficult it is. Difficulty equals challenge, and challenge equates to risk. I'm slightly risk addicted, so that stuff just gets me going. If it were simple it wouldn't be nearly as much fun.

Steve Tipton · 8th January 2008, 08:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ekka

Wind ... well I draw the line at wet undies.

Any pics of that?

shaggs · 8th January 2008, 10:37 PM

Yeah, some winds can actually assist in the removal process, but it's all a decision to be had on site on the day.

Sometimes with emergency work or urgent jobs its good to show off your skills and let them think your are all cool and collect...when actually your....um.....irrigating the underthinders!!!

newguy18 · 9th January 2008, 12:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quintrex

Any pics of that?

Why not ask for a video of it?

Eric Frei · 9th January 2008, 12:35 AM

Cripes, I got wet undies and pants (wet to the flamin knees) today matter of fact.

I sweat that much my shirt was dripping and got this huge wet spot working in this humidity. Friggin embarrassing, customer lady looks at ya unusual then asks if you need the toilet.

bigshea13 · 10th January 2008, 12:55 PM

glad i wasnt in this when it flopped over.

the snow is completly gone. the rains and winds are here. yeah.

treevet · 10th January 2008, 01:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigshea13

glad i wasnt in this when it flopped over.

the snow is completly gone. the rains and winds are here. yeah.

You got to be on the top side of the trunk and, when it is just about to hit the ground........jump up in the air.

bigshea13 · 10th January 2008, 01:09 PM

yeah! new sport tree bailin!

Therrin · 10th January 2008, 02:03 PM

Hah! holy crap though, nice pic Shea

newguy18 · 10th January 2008, 03:21 PM

yeehaw rideem cowboy.oh wait you didn't ride it.

Eric Frei · 12th January 2008, 04:53 PM

Did you get pics side on too?

Also, that's a good one for the greenkeeper arborists.

newguy18 · 21st January 2008, 06:00 AM

Roller · 22nd January 2008, 10:28 AM

Depends on the tree imo

newguy18 · 22nd January 2008, 01:41 PM

I won't draw a line if I can climb with a parachute.

arborjockey · 23rd January 2008, 06:06 AM

Nice pix shea. Its a good explination to the home owner on why the tree doesnt like their grass. What kind of tree was it?

bigshea13 · 28th January 2008, 01:58 AM

it was a white pine. i only got the one pic.
these signs were near butte montana. the wind ripped it in half. it was a son of a btch driving. winds were well in excess of 75 mph the day we drove threw and the residents there said it was a calm day.

dont open above attachment!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! forgot to resize!!!!!!use one below!!!!!!!!!!

bigshea13 · 28th January 2008, 02:08 AM

sorry. its early

Willard Holmen · 4th October 2009, 04:26 PM

If there was one thing that would instantly change your gunsighted target while felling a tree then it would be that "come from no where gust of sidewind."

treevet · 5th October 2009, 01:27 AM

No doubt....and I hate when a gust blows a large limb into your back cut up in the tree even when you have an obvious lean into the notch. You are just thinking "that cannot be happening" then you have to bust a nut pushing it back into the notch.

stirmantrees · 5th October 2009, 04:21 AM

that can be a horrific experience, especially if it has substantial weight. It happens rarely, but when i does i can still hear my brother saying"just put a rope in it if there is any doubt".
Good shoulder exercise though.
Now if your felling it and you dont have a pull line, well..........

somewhere between 20-30 mph i start to get a little concerned.

heres a good one from hurricane charley
i guess i can say i will not climb in 150 mph winds

jomoco · 5th October 2009, 06:49 AM

I've always firmly believed that storms and high winds are the climbing arborist's very best friend.

Not only do they generate work for you, they tend to weed out the weaker trees that have the potential to hurt or even kill you.

Knowing a sketchy lookin live tree that I've contracted to work on survived the last storm without failing gives me alot of confidence to work it, particularly when I have a good sturdy tie in point!

All climbing arborists should hail the storm gods and knock on wood!

jomoco

stirmantrees · 5th October 2009, 07:05 AM

winds also strengthen the trees.
got to love reaction wood

i wonder what the impact is on roots and there integrity given it doesnt tear or damage them

jomoco · 5th October 2009, 07:18 AM

I've always believed that root systems react beneficially to movement and forces being applied to it just like the tree's structural wood above ground does.

A little torquing of the root ball probably helps aerate it as well.

jomoco

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8th January 2008, 05:26 AM	#1
quercus Mature tree Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: belgium Posts: 368	Wind... Where do you draw the line? Hi guys... We've been taking down big pines today and suddenly the wind was getting really gusty... I almost stopped working about 5 times. Wind was about 60 km/h with gusts to 90km/h... The drop rope actually not only kept tops from falling to the ground, it also kept them from flying away... Where do you guys draw the line?

8th January 2008, 06:07 AM	#2
newguy18 Part of the Furniture Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: orlando,fl Posts: 4,977	Re: Wind... Where do you draw the line? I voted that I'm nuts but it almost killed me rigging in the wind once.i hooked about a 10'log limb that over hung a shed.It was maybe 6" in diameter.I cut the limb free and the wind blew it 10'away from me and it caught my climb line on the back swing before I could get out of the way.It resulted in me getting a good wallop and I swung back and missed the trunk by mere inches. __________________ Have your say join us today. old schooler

8th January 2008, 07:10 AM	#3
Eric Frei Admin - Razor sharp and independent 2 X Diploma Level 5 qualified arborist Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,820	Re: Wind... Where do you draw the line? Strong wind sucks, we've just come out of 3 weeks of crazy wind. I dont know about a hard fast rule but depends on the climber, tree and location. __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

8th January 2008, 12:32 PM	#4
bigshea13 Former Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: super 8 motels Posts: 361	Re: Wind... Where do you draw the line? interesting. ive actually waited till there were decent gusts before doing several large pines with heavy leans. the winds aided in sailing out the tops away from the house. they were for a friend who didnt have the cash for the job let alone extra help or for a crane. the easiest way to do them was in two pieces and with just the two of us the wind was like having two extra pullers. i was able to remove them for dinner. when christmas came around that year he and his wife bought me a terry redlin print.

8th January 2008, 01:52 PM	#5
treevet Backflipper Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Cincinnati, Ohio, USA Posts: 2,131	Re: Wind... Where do you draw the line? Sometimes, like with hazard trees that are dangerous to climb, if you ve got storm damage threatening to do mass damage to a building or something valuable and they are a very good client, you got to suck it up under almost any circumstances and do the job or someone else will and then how do you sweet talk your prize client back? I ve climbed trees with horizontal (to the ground) cracks you could put your fingers into when the wind blows that were going to slam the house. Try to get some weight and sail off asap.

8th January 2008, 03:29 PM	#6
ropensaddle Sappling Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Arkansas Posts: 47	Re: Wind... Where do you draw the line? If limbs are breaking I usually come down

8th January 2008, 08:26 PM	#7
Eric Frei Admin - Razor sharp and independent 2 X Diploma Level 5 qualified arborist Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,820	Re: Wind... Where do you draw the line? Wind ... well I draw the line at wet undies. __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

8th January 2008, 08:30 PM	#8
Therrin Former Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Bakersfield, Ca Posts: 2,512	Re: Wind... Where do you draw the line? Apparently there are alot of us here who're nuts I only call it quits when its blowing strong enough to break things around me, or if its blowing things I'm rigging towards a target. Otherwise, the more it's blowing, the more difficult it is. Difficulty equals challenge, and challenge equates to risk. I'm slightly risk addicted, so that stuff just gets me going. If it were simple it wouldn't be nearly as much fun.

8th January 2008, 10:37 PM	#10
shaggs Mature tree Join Date: May 2007 Location: sydney Posts: 422	Re: Wind... Where do you draw the line? Yeah, some winds can actually assist in the removal process, but it's all a decision to be had on site on the day. Sometimes with emergency work or urgent jobs its good to show off your skills and let them think your are all cool and collect...when actually your....um.....irrigating the underthinders!!!

9th January 2008, 12:35 AM	#12
Eric Frei Admin - Razor sharp and independent 2 X Diploma Level 5 qualified arborist Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,820	Re: Wind... Where do you draw the line? Cripes, I got wet undies and pants (wet to the flamin knees) today matter of fact. I sweat that much my shirt was dripping and got this huge wet spot working in this humidity. Friggin embarrassing, customer lady looks at ya unusual then asks if you need the toilet. __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

10th January 2008, 12:55 PM	#13
bigshea13 Former Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: super 8 motels Posts: 361	Re: Wind... Where do you draw the line? glad i wasnt in this when it flopped over. the snow is completly gone. the rains and winds are here. yeah. Attached Thumbnails

10th January 2008, 01:09 PM	#15
bigshea13 Former Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: super 8 motels Posts: 361	Re: Wind... Where do you draw the line? yeah! new sport tree bailin!

10th January 2008, 02:03 PM	#16
Therrin Former Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Bakersfield, Ca Posts: 2,512	Re: Wind... Where do you draw the line? Hah! holy crap though, nice pic Shea

10th January 2008, 03:21 PM	#17
newguy18 Part of the Furniture Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: orlando,fl Posts: 4,977	Re: Wind... Where do you draw the line? yeehaw rideem cowboy.oh wait you didn't ride it. __________________ Have your say join us today. old schooler

12th January 2008, 04:53 PM	#18
Eric Frei Admin - Razor sharp and independent 2 X Diploma Level 5 qualified arborist Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,820	Re: Wind... Where do you draw the line? Did you get pics side on too? Also, that's a good one for the greenkeeper arborists. __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

21st January 2008, 06:00 AM	#19
newguy18 Part of the Furniture Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: orlando,fl Posts: 4,977	Re: Wind... Where do you draw the line? __________________ Have your say join us today. old schooler

22nd January 2008, 10:28 AM	#20
Roller Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Suffolk UK Posts: 143	Re: Wind... Where do you draw the line? Depends on the tree imo __________________ www.arboraeration.co.uk Tree healthcare specialists covering the UK

22nd January 2008, 01:41 PM	#21
newguy18 Part of the Furniture Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: orlando,fl Posts: 4,977	Re: Wind... Where do you draw the line? I won't draw a line if I can climb with a parachute. __________________ Have your say join us today. old schooler

23rd January 2008, 06:06 AM	#22
arborjockey Mature tree Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: hawaii. ohio. oregon. california Posts: 260	Re: Wind... Where do you draw the line? Nice pix shea. Its a good explination to the home owner on why the tree doesnt like their grass. What kind of tree was it?

28th January 2008, 01:58 AM	#23
bigshea13 Former Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: super 8 motels Posts: 361	Re: Wind... Where do you draw the line? it was a white pine. i only got the one pic. these signs were near butte montana. the wind ripped it in half. it was a son of a btch driving. winds were well in excess of 75 mph the day we drove threw and the residents there said it was a calm day. dont open above attachment!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! forgot to resize!!!!!!use one below!!!!!!!!!! Attached Thumbnails

28th January 2008, 02:08 AM	#24
bigshea13 Former Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: super 8 motels Posts: 361	Re: Wind... Where do you draw the line? sorry. its early Attached Thumbnails

4th October 2009, 04:26 PM	#25
Willard Holmen Over mature heritage tree Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Manitoba, Canada Posts: 649	Re: Wind... Where do you draw the line? If there was one thing that would instantly change your gunsighted target while felling a tree then it would be that "come from no where gust of sidewind."

5th October 2009, 01:27 AM	#26
treevet Backflipper Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Cincinnati, Ohio, USA Posts: 2,131	Re: Wind... Where do you draw the line? No doubt....and I hate when a gust blows a large limb into your back cut up in the tree even when you have an obvious lean into the notch. You are just thinking "that cannot be happening" then you have to bust a nut pushing it back into the notch.

5th October 2009, 04:21 AM	#27
stirmantrees Mature tree Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: oviedo, fl Posts: 469	Re: Wind... Where do you draw the line? that can be a horrific experience, especially if it has substantial weight. It happens rarely, but when i does i can still hear my brother saying"just put a rope in it if there is any doubt". Good shoulder exercise though. Now if your felling it and you dont have a pull line, well.......... somewhere between 20-30 mph i start to get a little concerned. heres a good one from hurricane charley i guess i can say i will not climb in 150 mph winds Attached Thumbnails

5th October 2009, 06:49 AM	#28
jomoco Sappling Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: San Diego Posts: 43	Re: Wind... Where do you draw the line? I've always firmly believed that storms and high winds are the climbing arborist's very best friend. Not only do they generate work for you, they tend to weed out the weaker trees that have the potential to hurt or even kill you. Knowing a sketchy lookin live tree that I've contracted to work on survived the last storm without failing gives me alot of confidence to work it, particularly when I have a good sturdy tie in point! All climbing arborists should hail the storm gods and knock on wood! jomoco

5th October 2009, 07:05 AM	#29
stirmantrees Mature tree Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: oviedo, fl Posts: 469	Re: Wind... Where do you draw the line? winds also strengthen the trees. got to love reaction wood i wonder what the impact is on roots and there integrity given it doesnt tear or damage them

5th October 2009, 07:18 AM	#30
jomoco Sappling Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: San Diego Posts: 43	Re: Wind... Where do you draw the line? I've always believed that root systems react beneficially to movement and forces being applied to it just like the tree's structural wood above ground does. A little torquing of the root ball probably helps aerate it as well. jomoco

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