Why can't we have square trees?

treevet · 19th February 2008, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Ekka

LOL, that's not why I do it. I do it coz I'm unsure of this wulkowicz's blokes lurking pattern.

Does he read everything or does he just stick to his pet topics etc. So I figure laying the cheese on the track well trodden by him is safest.

I m just playing dumb, a favorite pastime of mine. I think everyone knows what is going on as I do.

bigshea13 · 19th February 2008, 09:43 PM

ask we speak scientists are printing tissue that could later be used to fabricate living organs. maybe not evolutionary but definately revolutionary

wulkowicz · 20th February 2008, 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Ekka

LOL, that's not why I do it. I do it coz I'm unsure of this wulkowicz's blokes lurking pattern.

Jeez, and here I thought I was being clear about encouraging us all thinking outside the box. Look, one author even found a square watermelon!

If you can find a lurkin' pattern, go with it. These days it's much more worrisome to be in someone's stalking pattern.

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Does he read everything or does he just stick to his pet topics etc. So I figure laying the cheese on the track well trodden by him is safest.

I named the thread to be provocative--and possibly humorous. (Am I required, BTW, to use the extra "u" in this site.)

I can't quite read everything yet because your site has its idiosyncrasies about informing me of new posts. And I was just now able to open Ekka's video--I'm running on a new Mac and needed a few new plug-ins.

In my other posts, I flagged my intentions and I said I wasn't interested in lecturing. The "square watermelon" contribution showed someone was out there thinking and surfing. What more could I ask for? I was busy writing when it popped in ahead of me. My compliments, jbhigh.

Back to the thread:

I'm offering a new consideration of tree growth that not only de-mistifies the basics, but explains the reasons for the Errera violations--and steps forward into new techniques and tools for the problems that vex us.

Treevet said: It is literally impossible to make a perfect cut sometimes, given the location of woundwood around a dead, still remaining, branch sometimes. Shigo used to say, if you cannot make this cut given the tools you have, it is time to make some tools that will make the cut. To me it is the attitude and feeling (love for trees) that you carry into that tree that makes you perform the best cut for the situation (and carry over to everything you do in that tree) that is as important as literally making that cut. (My emphasis)

I presented the beginnings of my concepts and the new techniques and tools at the ISA Conference in Salt Lake City. Stupidly, I took the last lecture slot thinking there'd be time afterward for discussions. It was my first lecture and I didn't know people had planes to catch and no one would stick around--except for the three guys who still beat cheeks anyway.

I haven't finished the Ekka video, but its struggles and frustrations are understandable. We have not yet given our arborist audience a coordinated and comfortable explanation of tree growth. And indeed it will include the answer to why we don't have square trees.

Thinking of me as pompous, or arrogant, or sly with pet projects does not help in internalizing your new knowledge about what we're discussing. I yam what I yam...

Find the flaws; pick it apart; I said this was a challenge. If I'm successful in expanding the box, future arborists will be climbing into trees with more tools than a chainsaw. (See Shigo below)

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BTW: Wasn't there a biblical comment about the above Ekka plan? "Blessed are the cheese layers for they shall inhairot the earth."

Anyway, I really do mean well, or at least I did. That's for you all to decide.

I also used the Shigo quote below at the conference and showed the new tools.

Bob Wulkowicz

Ekka · 20th February 2008, 12:49 AM

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Originally Posted by wulkowicz

I can't quite read everything yet because your site has its idiosyncrasies about informing me of new posts. And I was just now able to open Ekka's video--I'm running on a new Mac and needed a few new plug-ins.

To assist I have taken a screen shot.

You can see new posts with the New Post button on the left.

In the Quick Links drop down menu you have some options. I have circled the ones of most interest.

Mark Forums Read will basically wipe clean the New Posts. So if you have a heap and they keep coming up and you're really not interested in them well that button is the go, wipe the slate clean.

Subscribed Threads are threads you are subscribed to, either by posting or selecting them via Thread Tools.

Occasionally there are hiccups, dont know why but there are, rare but just like trees evolving maybe software has it's own ideas ... as far as cross pollination to Apple's from oranges your guess is as good as mine but I can see you have decided to deploy some genetic grafting (plug-ins).

And so the fight for dominance continues, it's not a matter of which is the better tree but which is most likely to adapt and be dominant, whether that be by evolution or divine power or money.

treevet · 20th February 2008, 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by wulkowicz

Jeez, and here I thought I was being clear about encouraging us all thinking outside the box. Look, one author even found a square watermelon!

How about this for thinking outside the box?

Guy starts threads with stuff like "....square tree stems" or "what if leaves were made of bubble gum?", etc. Then he just sits back and waits for all kinds of scientific, abstract, opaque and idiotic replies and appears to already know the good ones and ignores the bad ones? Makes one look pretty smart, no?

There s plenty for you to learn out there as well, I'm sure. There is so much that isn't fact, or is unknown.

If it is the teaching of arborists that is your purpose here and not just to condescend and/or entertain your ego then maybe prose like the "Certified Arborists are drunken pathogens" piece in the "Sentience in Trees" thread of yours might put your target audience off a little.

PS That good cop/bad cop stuff wears out quick even on stupid prisoners.

bigshea13 · 20th February 2008, 05:48 PM

feed me seymour! feed me!

wulkowicz · 20th February 2008, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by treevet

How about this for thinking outside the box?

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Originally Posted by bigshea13

feed me seymour! feed me!

OK. How's this?

Equatorial Circumference = 40,075 km

If I had a rope laying flat that went l all the way around the world. Then I had to raise it up another meter, all the way around the world; how much more rope would I need?

Ekka · 20th February 2008, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by wulkowicz

OK. How's this?

Equatorial Circumference = 40,075 km

If I had a rope laying flat that went l all the way around the world. Then I had to raise it up another meter, all the way around the world; how much more rope would I need?

The answer may vary as the Earth is NOT ROUND, that's right, they thought it was flat but were wrong, then they thought it was round but were wrong and now they know it's elliptical.

Also the moons gravity can distort the oceans, tides vary and as rope floats, 2/3's of the circumference is water it makes a big difference.

However in your question you dont mention any of that criteria and therefore one could assume it to be cylindrical and the answer the same.

But I think there's ample rope to hang yourself.

Quintrex · 20th February 2008, 11:24 PM

I heard the Japanese developed square eggs for easier packing and transport.
The trouble was the chickens boycotted them, they thought the idea was a pain in the arse!

Ekka · 21st February 2008, 12:20 AM

newguy18 · 21st February 2008, 06:38 AM

newguy18 · 21st February 2008, 09:54 PM

I think it would be actually more hassle than it would be worth to have square trees,no directional felling and just think how much trickier felling might become.You would have a harder time climbing and for guys like me who natural crotch rig it would be near impossible.difficult at best.Take it elsewhere.

RandyMac · 21st February 2008, 10:10 PM

Square logs would be a pain in the butt to drag, too much surface area, corners would catch on things.

RandyMac

TreeDimensional · 21st February 2008, 10:25 PM

RandyMac is right there would be a lot of surface area, but on the other hand, you wouldn't have to worry about 'em rolling down the side of the mountian.

Newguy18, for directional felling, it doesn't matter whether they are round or square. The same principles would still apply. You would just need to REALLY consentrate on your depth of notch. Haven't you ever felled a flat sided tree?

newguy18 · 21st February 2008, 10:26 PM

Can't say i have td.When you put it like that it makes sense.

19th February 2008, 09:43 PM	#27 (permalink)
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newguy18 Part of the Furniture Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Dead twig Florida. Posts: 3,362	Re: Why can't we have square trees? I think it would be actually more hassle than it would be worth to have square trees,no directional felling and just think how much trickier felling might become.You would have a harder time climbing and for guys like me who natural crotch rig it would be near impossible.difficult at best.Take it elsewhere. __________________ Have your say join us today. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xzkd_m4ivmc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xzfzb...eature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-OqK...eature=related Last edited by newguy18 : 21st February 2008 at 10:12 PM. Reason: grrr spelling again

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RandyMac Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: NW California Posts: 81	Re: Why can't we have square trees? Square logs would be a pain in the butt to drag, too much surface area, corners would catch on things. RandyMac

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TreeDimensional Banned Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Canada Posts: 370	Re: Why can't we have square trees? RandyMac is right there would be a lot of surface area, but on the other hand, you wouldn't have to worry about 'em rolling down the side of the mountian. Newguy18, for directional felling, it doesn't matter whether they are round or square. The same principles would still apply. You would just need to REALLY consentrate on your depth of notch. Haven't you ever felled a flat sided tree?

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newguy18 Part of the Furniture Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Dead twig Florida. Posts: 3,362	Re: Why can't we have square trees? Can't say i have td.When you put it like that it makes sense. __________________ Have your say join us today. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xzkd_m4ivmc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xzfzb...eature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-OqK...eature=related