Vines up trees? Yes or no poll?

azrael · 16th December 2007, 02:19 AM

Same thing down here in the Ilawarra... especilly around creeks with reliable moisture...growns a couple of metres in a week, and pretty hard to kill off (this my Bush Regenrator hat on here).
It does dies off in winter down here though... but probably not in your sub-tropical climate. Do you have the both Common (Blue) & Coastal (Pink) M.G's...we do!
Another shocker here is Madeira Vine (it's THE worst weed in the Illawarra). Havent seen too much damage to trees but it can get up to the tops pretty quickly. The worst is...its so eaily spread from aerial tubers, and so you cant use re-use mulch anywhere. Its gets in to water-ways so easily via stormwater... & ya cant get the bugger out of gabbion mattress...no way. Very big problem.
Oh... that reminds me of something else.. we are about 10-15 yrs behind you in the sunny tropical north with regard to weeds...over the last 5 yrs or so, theres been a massive outbreak of Tecoma stans...colonising so much R.T.A. land ... roadsides, freeways, cuttings, crib-walls, and even the centre islands.
It's satellites out from the parent plant like I've never seen before. Pretty flower though.
Mmmm!

quercus · 16th December 2007, 04:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Ekka

This is a pic of one of the worst we have here.

It has really done lots of damage on in the Sunshine Coast hinterland. Looks terrible when I last drove through.

The culprit is called Morning Glory.

jeezes christ... I have never seen something like that before. The little stem on the left side of the trunk, would that be the stem of the vine?

treeseer · 16th December 2007, 05:23 AM

quercus I understand your reasons except:

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Originally Posted by quercus

3)In some cases they suffocate the tree
5)Spiking the tree becomes very difficult because of stems of the vine. Spikes are sometimes not long enough to reach the stem of the tree.
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How does this suffocation take place?

If you are spiking a tree to remove it, vines can hold up a climber if you spike right into the vine, at least english ivy is very strong. I know you are not spiking to prune, since Belgian have the reputation of being good arborists!

Vines in trees can be maintained to cause the trees no problem. More work, true, but what is wrong with that?

here in the se usa, morning glory blue or pink does not climb more than 3m, and lantana is a valued subshrub, not a vine.

mdvaden · 16th December 2007, 07:22 PM

Treeseer...

I think I know what he's referring to about trouble with spiking for removals if there are vines. English ivy is the more common one here, and the leaves frequently cloak the vine so that a climber can't tell if they are stabbing the vine or a void space between the vines.

Ekka...

We have some morning glory here that covers and cloaks as thickly, but I can't recall if I've seen any that high.

In northern Oregon by Portland, there is a wild Clematis vine that seems to be one of the more nuisance vines in trees, along with English Ivy, which is sometimes naked stem along the trunk with foliage above, but other times foliage from ground to as high as it reaches up the trunk.

newguy18 · 16th December 2007, 07:28 PM

normally when I remove a vine infested tree I'll either rope climb it and cut the vines off on my way up and then have my dad send my gaffs up or i'll cut the vines at the base and give them a couple weeks to dry out some so I can just spike up them.

windthrown · 18th December 2007, 11:50 PM

Morning glory was a scurge here about 50 years ago. An invasive plant, it nearly wiped out the California tree fruit industry. I get it here as weeds. Also had in California, and it grew under my house and underminded the foundation by roots widening the cracks created in the big Bay Area earthquake.

I spray that stuff whenever and wherever I see it. Bad stuff.

quercus · 19th December 2007, 01:03 AM

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Originally Posted by treeseer

quercus I understand your reasons except:How does this suffocation take place?

If you are spiking a tree to remove it, vines can hold up a climber if you spike right into the vine, at least english ivy is very strong. I know you are not spiking to prune, since Belgian have the reputation of being good arborists!

Vines in trees can be maintained to cause the trees no problem. More work, true, but what is wrong with that?

here in the se usa, morning glory blue or pink does not climb more than 3m, and lantana is a valued subshrub, not a vine.

I'm a dutch guy so excuse me if I can't always find the right words or form the right way of saying it correctly...

of course I'm not pruning with spikes. I find it rather difficult because of the facts MDVADEN said.

Suffocation might not be the right word. I've seen several cases of a Wisteria branch strangle a thick branch off of a green beech for example... The vines wraps around the branch and because of the fact that they become thicker in time they cut off juice circulation to ultimately weaken and strangle that branch. These words may be more accurate...

To say it in a few words... I think that vines and other climbing plants are a real threat to the health of a tree.

newguy18 · 19th December 2007, 05:17 AM

i agree and whenever I bid a tree for trimming or pruneing and it has a vine I recomend immediate removal of the vine.

R.Boreal · 24th December 2007, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Ekka

And why are they always bloody well itchy?

We got some sinister vines here, bougainvillea is a shocker, and that cactus crappy thing.

Tell me more about "Bougainvillea" and that "cactus crappy" vine.

JayD · 24th December 2007, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by R.Boreal

Tell me more about "Bougainvillea" and that "cactus crappy" vine.

I'll start with the Bougainvillea, It's a beutiful vine once a year to look at,But that's where it's stops from a TD piont of view,The first thing it's will do it will add hours onto your job, it has large razor sharp spurs that will prick the living daylights out of you as you work and it's strong enough to bugger up a re direct,if you havent severed all vines properly, Then your got to drag this vine to the chipper were it fights all the way ripping and pricking all over as you go..lastly it's vindictive it will drag you into the chipper given half the chance,Apart from this it's a beutiful vine once a year but not up a Tree, IMO.

Ekka · 25th December 2007, 09:41 PM

Here's some pics of the cactus crap I'm on about.

Also note in the first pic the great tree work on the very LH side of the pic, even the palms get topped!

newguy18 · 25th December 2007, 09:43 PM

I've only topped palms when taking them down.I know they wanted to use those to run cable.

quercus · 11th January 2008, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Ekka

Here's some pics of the cactus crap I'm on about.

Also note in the first pic the great tree work on the very LH side of the pic, even the palms get topped!

And so the palm becomes the pole... I recently discovered a whole neighborhood out here were almost every tree is topped. Oaks, beeches, ash, conifers, pines, everything... It's top-city really...

mdvaden · 14th January 2008, 09:43 PM

Seems I didn't post it yet, but here's a photo of a Catalpa limb that I removed an embedded vine from. Trumpet vine I think.

This is the same Catalpa I posted about months ago.

The vine had about a 7" diameter at it's base, and about 5" in this cavity it caused.

Sort of cool looking in a way.

The cross-cut is from a section a few feet off the ground. Seems that there were over 70 rings showing.

windthrown · 20th January 2008, 04:28 PM

Yah, there are some trees here like that. I will have to snap some photos. Found a 3 inch grand fir here last week that was strangled to death (girdled) by a small 1/8 inch vine. Anazing/amusing. I will have to change my vote to all vines are bad for trees.

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16th December 2007, 02:19 AM	#51 (permalink)
azrael Afterburner is shakin' Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Earth Australia Posts: 340	Re: Vines up trees? Yes or no poll? Same thing down here in the Ilawarra... especilly around creeks with reliable moisture...growns a couple of metres in a week, and pretty hard to kill off (this my Bush Regenrator hat on here). It does dies off in winter down here though... but probably not in your sub-tropical climate. Do you have the both Common (Blue) & Coastal (Pink) M.G's...we do! Another shocker here is Madeira Vine (it's THE worst weed in the Illawarra). Havent seen too much damage to trees but it can get up to the tops pretty quickly. The worst is...its so eaily spread from aerial tubers, and so you cant use re-use mulch anywhere. Its gets in to water-ways so easily via stormwater... & ya cant get the bugger out of gabbion mattress...no way. Very big problem. Oh... that reminds me of something else.. we are about 10-15 yrs behind you in the sunny tropical north with regard to weeds...over the last 5 yrs or so, theres been a massive outbreak of Tecoma stans...colonising so much R.T.A. land ... roadsides, freeways, cuttings, crib-walls, and even the centre islands. It's satellites out from the parent plant like I've never seen before. Pretty flower though. Mmmm!

16th December 2007, 07:22 PM	#54 (permalink)
mdvaden Astronaut Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Oregon Posts: 578	Re: Vines up trees? Yes or no poll? Treeseer... I think I know what he's referring to about trouble with spiking for removals if there are vines. English ivy is the more common one here, and the leaves frequently cloak the vine so that a climber can't tell if they are stabbing the vine or a void space between the vines. Ekka... We have some morning glory here that covers and cloaks as thickly, but I can't recall if I've seen any that high. In northern Oregon by Portland, there is a wild Clematis vine that seems to be one of the more nuisance vines in trees, along with English Ivy, which is sometimes naked stem along the trunk with foliage above, but other times foliage from ground to as high as it reaches up the trunk. __________________ ____________________________________ Grove of Redwood TITANS Oregon BIGOOT trap

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newguy18 Tree World Icon Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Live Oak Florida home of the crapiest trees you will ever see. Posts: 2,185	Re: Vines up trees? Yes or no poll? normally when I remove a vine infested tree I'll either rope climb it and cut the vines off on my way up and then have my dad send my gaffs up or i'll cut the vines at the base and give them a couple weeks to dry out some so I can just spike up them. __________________ Have your say join us today. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xzkd_m4ivmc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xzfzb...eature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-OqK...eature=related

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windthrown Fly'n Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Pacific Northwest USA Posts: 125	Re: Vines up trees? Yes or no poll? Morning glory was a scurge here about 50 years ago. An invasive plant, it nearly wiped out the California tree fruit industry. I get it here as weeds. Also had in California, and it grew under my house and underminded the foundation by roots widening the cracks created in the big Bay Area earthquake. I spray that stuff whenever and wherever I see it. Bad stuff. __________________ So few saws, so many trees... Stihls: 210/250-/025/290/361/FS85 Echo: CS-3000, Olympyk & Mac doorstops

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newguy18 Tree World Icon Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Live Oak Florida home of the crapiest trees you will ever see. Posts: 2,185	Re: Vines up trees? Yes or no poll? i agree and whenever I bid a tree for trimming or pruneing and it has a vine I recomend immediate removal of the vine. __________________ Have your say join us today. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xzkd_m4ivmc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xzfzb...eature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-OqK...eature=related

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newguy18 Tree World Icon Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Live Oak Florida home of the crapiest trees you will ever see. Posts: 2,185	Re: Vines up trees? Yes or no poll? I've only topped palms when taking them down.I know they wanted to use those to run cable. __________________ Have your say join us today. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xzkd_m4ivmc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xzfzb...eature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-OqK...eature=related

20th January 2008, 04:28 PM	#65 (permalink)
windthrown Fly'n Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Pacific Northwest USA Posts: 125	Re: Vines up trees? Yes or no poll? Yah, there are some trees here like that. I will have to snap some photos. Found a 3 inch grand fir here last week that was strangled to death (girdled) by a small 1/8 inch vine. Anazing/amusing. I will have to change my vote to all vines are bad for trees. __________________ So few saws, so many trees... Stihls: 210/250-/025/290/361/FS85 Echo: CS-3000, Olympyk & Mac doorstops