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| View Poll Results: Are vines up trees? | |||
| Good and beneficial | | 0 | 0% |
| A problem and should be removed | | 46 | 52.87% |
| Depends on the vine | | 41 | 47.13% |
| Voters: 87. You may not vote on this poll | |||
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| | #51 (permalink) |
| Afterburner is shakin' Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Earth Australia
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| Same thing down here in the Ilawarra... especilly around creeks with reliable moisture...growns a couple of metres in a week, and pretty hard to kill off (this my Bush Regenrator hat on here). It does dies off in winter down here though... but probably not in your sub-tropical climate. Do you have the both Common (Blue) & Coastal (Pink) M.G's...we do! Another shocker here is Madeira Vine (it's THE worst weed in the Illawarra). Havent seen too much damage to trees but it can get up to the tops pretty quickly. The worst is...its so eaily spread from aerial tubers, and so you cant use re-use mulch anywhere. Its gets in to water-ways so easily via stormwater... & ya cant get the bugger out of gabbion mattress...no way. Very big problem. Oh... that reminds me of something else.. we are about 10-15 yrs behind you in the sunny tropical north with regard to weeds...over the last 5 yrs or so, theres been a massive outbreak of Tecoma stans...colonising so much R.T.A. land ... roadsides, freeways, cuttings, crib-walls, and even the centre islands. It's satellites out from the parent plant like I've never seen before. Pretty flower though. Mmmm! |
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| Afterburner is shakin' Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: SE USA
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| quercus I understand your reasons except: Quote:
If you are spiking a tree to remove it, vines can hold up a climber if you spike right into the vine, at least english ivy is very strong. I know you are not spiking to prune, since Belgian have the reputation of being good arborists! Vines in trees can be maintained to cause the trees no problem. More work, true, but what is wrong with that? here in the se usa, morning glory blue or pink does not climb more than 3m, and lantana is a valued subshrub, not a vine.
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| | #54 (permalink) |
| Astronaut Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Oregon
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| Treeseer... I think I know what he's referring to about trouble with spiking for removals if there are vines. English ivy is the more common one here, and the leaves frequently cloak the vine so that a climber can't tell if they are stabbing the vine or a void space between the vines. Ekka... We have some morning glory here that covers and cloaks as thickly, but I can't recall if I've seen any that high. In northern Oregon by Portland, there is a wild Clematis vine that seems to be one of the more nuisance vines in trees, along with English Ivy, which is sometimes naked stem along the trunk with foliage above, but other times foliage from ground to as high as it reaches up the trunk. |
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| | #55 (permalink) |
| Tree World Icon Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Live Oak Florida home of the crapiest trees you will ever see.
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| normally when I remove a vine infested tree I'll either rope climb it and cut the vines off on my way up and then have my dad send my gaffs up or i'll cut the vines at the base and give them a couple weeks to dry out some so I can just spike up them.
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| Fly'n Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Pacific Northwest USA
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| Morning glory was a scurge here about 50 years ago. An invasive plant, it nearly wiped out the California tree fruit industry. I get it here as weeds. Also had in California, and it grew under my house and underminded the foundation by roots widening the cracks created in the big Bay Area earthquake. I spray that stuff whenever and wherever I see it. Bad stuff.
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| | #57 (permalink) | |
| Afterburner is shakin' Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: belgium
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| Quote:
of course I'm not pruning with spikes. I find it rather difficult because of the facts MDVADEN said. Suffocation might not be the right word. I've seen several cases of a Wisteria branch strangle a thick branch off of a green beech for example... The vines wraps around the branch and because of the fact that they become thicker in time they cut off juice circulation to ultimately weaken and strangle that branch. These words may be more accurate... To say it in a few words... I think that vines and other climbing plants are a real threat to the health of a tree. | |
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| | #58 (permalink) |
| Tree World Icon Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Live Oak Florida home of the crapiest trees you will ever see.
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| i agree and whenever I bid a tree for trimming or pruneing and it has a vine I recomend immediate removal of the vine.
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| Astronaut Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Sydney
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| Eric Frei Administrator - Brisbane L5 (Dip) Hort Cert III Arb + some Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane
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| Here's some pics of the cactus crap I'm on about. Also note in the first pic the great tree work on the very LH side of the pic, even the palms get topped! ![]()
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| | #62 (permalink) |
| Tree World Icon Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Live Oak Florida home of the crapiest trees you will ever see.
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| I've only topped palms when taking them down.I know they wanted to use those to run cable. ![]()
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| Afterburner is shakin' Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: belgium
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| Quote:
And so the palm becomes the pole... I recently discovered a whole neighborhood out here were almost every tree is topped. Oaks, beeches, ash, conifers, pines, everything... It's top-city really... | |
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| | #64 (permalink) |
| Astronaut Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Oregon
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| Seems I didn't post it yet, but here's a photo of a Catalpa limb that I removed an embedded vine from. Trumpet vine I think. This is the same Catalpa I posted about months ago. The vine had about a 7" diameter at it's base, and about 5" in this cavity it caused. Sort of cool looking in a way. The cross-cut is from a section a few feet off the ground. Seems that there were over 70 rings showing. ![]() ![]() |
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| Fly'n Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Pacific Northwest USA
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| Yah, there are some trees here like that. I will have to snap some photos. Found a 3 inch grand fir here last week that was strangled to death (girdled) by a small 1/8 inch vine. Anazing/amusing. I will have to change my vote to all vines are bad for trees.
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