Tried out the new saw last night. Pic's

munderhill

I started trimming a few baranches off the maple I need to take down. The 200T is a fine saw! I'm very impressed with it's power, it has the feel of a more powerful saw than 35CC's. I tried my best not to run it at full rpm with not load.
I had my daughter take a few shots while I was cutting. She did a good job i'd say. I wanted her to stay a safe distance back.
It's a pretty good size tree and stump. My Father will be doing the felling Oct 11 as I do not feel comfortable with something this big and heavy slightly towards the house.
MU

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Eric Frei

Yeah, they're great.

Somewhere not long ago I spoke about being careful with those low limbs. The butt can come back and a while ago I copped a bad one just below the knee cap.

Happens because the tips hit the ground first then it springs back. So make sure you have a good defensive position or cut further out ... a snap cut, you know, underneath the branch first (not too deep or the branch sits on your saw) then directly ontop or back closer to the trunk a bit and it should pop off fast.

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munderhill

I was wondering if something like that should/could be done. It would be similar to cutting a shelf, correct?
After it was down it dawned on me that a notch would help.
Thanks for bringing it to my attention.
MU

Eric Frei

Not a notch, a notch will allow it to fold down, but a snap cut, you want it to pop off. When you cut the top one (second cut) dont muck around, saw flat out and fast till that limb goes.

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TrevMcRev

A couple of wing cuts on each side too will make it release quick & drop flat.

munderhill

OK now I get it. In one of the pictures it shows a branch on the left back side. actually it's the one directly in front of my right hip/side.
I need to cut that one next. It goes up more than out. How should I tackle this one? Same way with a snap cut? Or use a shelf?
MU

newguy18

Ekak,if the top cut was made directly over the under cut i know that as the jump cut,add two small sap cuts on the side before the top cut and i know that as the improved jump cut.

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tree MDS

Good god man forget the snap cut, get a saddle first before you get yerself killed!

munderhill

I know I would hear that sooner or later. I felt very safe where I was in the tree and the height was not an issue. Still know it's no excuse for a safety harness.
MU

tree MDS

Hey I didnt see you're in CT! where you at??

munderhill

East of the river. Just North of Hartford.

JohN Dee

Hey Ekka, with that snap cut (although a very safe cut) on the lower limbs he'd still run into the same problems. The reason being when cutting a snap cut to drop, the tip wants to drop first, hits the ground and bang - the butt is a kangaroos tail.

If ya want it flat, I'd recommend a step cut although that cut is not for the newbie! If cut wrong or you're just unlucky it can grab and drag ya saw with it. A safer alternative would be a VERY shallow underside scarf (notch) with back cut.

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tree MDS

Whatever with the cut. My question is how is he gonna get out of the way when that sucker comes back at him REAL quick like? Ouchie. Remember he's holding a saw right?

Eric Frei

I know, but if he stuffs up there's more likely a chance the saw gets stuck in the cut ... better (safer) for him to be back just a tad till he gets used to the cuts.

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newguy18

True,when doing jump cuts its a good idea to use just a climbline for support,just so you can get out of there quick,same with slice cuts.

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munderhill

So what's the advise for the branch to the right of my hip? My Dad said to take as much off the oppsite side that is going to be felled. Not sure if I'm explaining it correctly. From the pict's you can see how it's a little haevy towards the rear of my house. This limb is on the back side of the direction we want to fell it.
any pointers will be greatly appreciated. I'd like to get as much off of it by the time he comes down to finish it. Will make the cleanup go all the quicker.
MU

tree MDS

Take it away Ekka!! Lol.

treevet

If you had it, pole chainsaw and peel it over slowly to stay well attached. Then make appropriate cuts related to pressure on ground and then polesaw off to initial cut. Once pole is out of reach let your dad climb with gear and quit acting silly. You don't belong on a high level forum with those kind of lame brain pictures.

I was once working line clearing and guy comes out and asks for a quote on a large limb. He laughed at my price and as I worked down the road heard the saw and then a scream. Limb hit on tip, bounced back and knocked his 30 foot ladder down and he fell on ground and then insult to injury, the leader landed right on him. He is a quadrapelegic (sp? whatever) he has no use of 4 limbs and his pelvis was shattered. He'd be better off dead. There are lesser and greater degrees of endings to these stories. I am sick of encouraging these Aerial type guys.

treevet

Come ohhhhn nowww. You guys got no balls. There he is, the relative of the hack, the HO tree expert, about to squash his foot. If it misses he has promised to head upward and hang with one arm and cut with one hand and...............................................

Thought you guys had more balls than this. Ass kissers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

treeseer

Come again?

If you fall the wrong way you will break your neck. How would you like your daughter to see that?

Looks like it used to be an OK tree. Why cut it?

newguy18

Becaue not everyone is like you Guy,not everyone loves every tree.I like to think of trees as people some you love,others you hate.Keeps it simple.

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newguy18

At least he has a hard hat!!!!

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treevet

That is the telling part of that post Bill. Guy is a treeman. Sure we are "arborists" a polite accomodating group of gents at wonder and awe of our arboreal surroundings. But some of us are also old school treemen. We ve paid the prices, done the dirties, risked the asses.

It is hard for me to suffer the pretenders. I am a treeman. An ex US Marine (heartbreaker and lifetaker) and excuse me but screw this. This guy if uninjured or not severely injured becomes that old man at every door you give the quote to that says "yeaaaahhhh, used to do that when I was a kid, .....even would have done it myself now if I was a few years younger" as he looks at the 100 foot tree bent over the house.....and has a moment to himself, "price seems a little high" he says.

newguy18

Yes i know,but i can also relate to munderhill as i was in his position 2 years ago,started a little better off then he did.Yes Guy is a treeman,a little weird but a treeman,no doubt treework should be left to the pros,but there are several people out there who are hellbent on doing it themselves,do we let them go guessing at how its done or do we give them some pointers so they have an idea and maybe get up there and hopefully say screw this i'm calling the local tree co?

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treevet

You have taken 4 falls in 2 years. Let's see the gear, hear the plan, then give the advice.

newguy18

4?I've only taken 3 unless you count the one at the junkyard.

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treevet

Ya gotta count that one too

newguy18

Noted,next time i go to the junkyard,pack the climbing gear,might need to rappel off of a van.
I think i need to leave the forum for a couple days,i'm catching some flak for my old school ways in another thread.Later Dave.Don't work to hard.

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treevet

You ain't goin nowhere. Whose pickin on ya? Give me a call tomorrow and we'll work out some strategy.

munderhill

Boy, I guess I was wrong posting here. Your right I'm in the wrong forum, I thought this forum welcomed greenhorns.
This is not how I make a living, just upkeep of my yard etc.
My 13 year old daughter took the pictures. I thought she did very well.
I do have a Echo split shaft trimmer with the pole chainsaw attacthment. I may use it as you stated. My Dad does not climb nor has he ever. He has always felled the trees his whole life.
Sorry to hear about the guys accident. I'm not a complete idiot and by no means think that if I fell I'd be fine. I felt very secure from where I was cutting. Of course from the lousy pictures it looks dangerous.
I thought the pictures would help and most forums like them.
Thanks for the advise on the branch i need to cut, maybe I should just leave it on there until the whole tree is on the ground.

MU