Tricky pine felling

Therrin · 16th January 2008, 10:39 PM

I realized about as much after talking to TreeDimensional about it for a while on the phone. He was explaining all the stuff Sean Freeman had shown in the pictures. Thanks to all of you, for the info.

It was nice to see all the information getting thrown at it, good too! The hammering helps to drive the point home. At least I'm not afraid to show what I've done, even if I didn't get it right. I imagine there are several here who'd only post the best of their works, and definitely not their mistakes; but I hope this makes good learning material for other people who see the site. I certainly learn from it.

Ekka · 17th January 2008, 12:12 AM

I dont see any wedge marks in the wood, where were your wedges hey?

You didn't use wedges!

Therrin · 17th January 2008, 12:35 AM

What's a wedge?

J/P.... yeah I don't have any. Will be picking some up tomorow!!!

Ekka · 17th January 2008, 01:00 AM

WTF!

Felling wedges, you see me banging them in my videos all the time, even on roped fells.

The wedge is your friend, it's both your defence and attack on leans and momentum, the prevention of sit back etc.

Therrin · 17th January 2008, 02:01 AM

Once more I feel like a bum, once more I've learned something great.

I know what wedges are I was just playing, simply hadn't ever used them before! As I said, I'll pick some up tomorow.

I'm used to rigging down alot of stuff, hadn't done alot of plain felling. Starting to do that more so I'll pick some up!

Seems that everything I post with pictures turns into a SNAFU, but I'll keep posting and you all can keep hammering at me and saying "WTF? and "that'll get you killed!" and "I'm to old to do stuff like that!"
and at some point it'll all come clear.
Finally I'll post some pics, and you'll all nod your heads and smile that the youngin is catching on.
At that point I'll have ascended to godliness and get lazy and buy a crane and bucket truck, and lambast climbers whenever I get the chance.

Sean Freeman · 17th January 2008, 02:37 AM

Therrin, finally managed to upload the pdf (thanks doubtless to Eric) read through this it has in it heaps of info you will need to expand the safety and efficiency of your felling, I have a US one as well but will try to up load that in the next post!

treefell.pdf

Therrin · 17th January 2008, 02:44 AM

Oooooh, what a trove of good intel!

Thanks Sean!!!

Ekka · 17th January 2008, 02:49 AM

It's the same document as in this thread guys, but it's titled TreefellNZ

Guides to Proper Tree Felling - USA & NZ

Use the search function Kimosabi

It's been there nearly a year.

Therrin · 17th January 2008, 02:52 AM

There's alot of info on this site, zimbabwe...

It's like wading through something and picking up whatever brushes up against ya. Nice to see things coming at ya from different directions though, increases your chances of finding something good!

Sean Freeman · 17th January 2008, 02:54 AM

Yep thats the US one alright very good too though a couple of the diagrams are a tad confusing Obiwan.

Pigdog · 17th January 2008, 09:22 AM

Criticism can be a good learning tool!
But could too much criticism turn one into a procrastinator?

bigshea13 · 17th January 2008, 11:18 AM

only if he lets it

Sean Freeman · 17th January 2008, 01:51 PM

The diagram that I drew yesterday in relation to leaning trees was about as wrong as it could be!!! DON"T CUT IN THE WAY SHOWN IN MY DIAGRAM!!!!

Here's how my bad diagram should have been drawn......thanks to Bigshea for prodding my lazy bum into correcting it...apologies to all for the original which was too hastily drawn and basically got things arseaboutface.
Remember this is for forward leaning trees, with a significant lean, and the intention is to avoid a barberchair.

Though I will admit that when I do this type of felling cut I cut the strap in line with the plunge not as far below it as shown, I will make more effort to make the final cut below the plunge as shown in the diagram.

Quintrex · 17th January 2008, 05:07 PM

Therrin, you've had a lot of good advice here.
The end result of your job was that the tree fell where you wanted it too, so good job!

newguy18 · 17th January 2008, 05:10 PM

yeah he did get it where he wanted which is good but hopefully he lears a better technique for next time.

TreeDimensional · 17th January 2008, 06:05 PM

When Therrin called me last night, I got the pleasure of SAYING, WTF. I'll give him a pat on the back for laying it out there for the rest to see, and allowing the members here to dole out their years of exerience. I was on a vertical learning curve when I first started, I was a lot longer in the tooth than he is, and life experiences wakened that little voice we all have.

I was asked to look at a job at a park, a 32" poplar between 2 cabins about 8' apart. It went up about 24'and went co-dominant. The crotch had split and didn't stop until about 5' off the ground. My little voice said "Hey stupid you don't have the knowledge or the equipment to work on that thing". The little voice was right, the cabin owner asked what to do, I knew a guy form 120 miles away that loved working on hazard trees, I gave him a call. I often think back to that day, everytime I look at a tree that is seriously damaged. Dave Loraas was the first tree climber that I ever saw climb that hazard tree, he took me under his wing for a variety of tree work, unselfishly teaching me a lot of what he knows. The funny thing about it all was the fact that he didn't believe me when I relayed the size info to him, and at the completion of that removal, he politley asked me to NEVER call him again for that type of work.

We fumbled around, learning and applying our new knowledge, and eventually started using cranes for that Large, no LZ, hazardous stuff.

The point I am trying to make here is, if you have even an inkling of a though that your in over your head, You Probably are. This site has proved that there are people out there that are willing to help, internet learning is becoming an epidemic, ask you doctor next time you see him, after you have miss-diagnosed yourself. The Dr. will usually forgive you, a tree landing on your head doesn't care about you.

There has been a wealth of knowledge posted on this thread, but having someone on site to watch out for ya, or kick ya in the butt for listening and then doing your own thing is priceless. For the new guys out there, find someone to take you under their wing, male adult pride sometimes can be our undoing.

newguy18 · 17th January 2008, 06:23 PM

so true td.I wish I was here when I first started in tree work it would have saved me alot of time,grief and spared me a few run for your life situations.

16th January 2008, 10:39 PM	#26 (permalink)
Therrin The Tree World Bandit Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Lancaster, Ca Posts: 1,254	Re: Tricky pine felling I realized about as much after talking to TreeDimensional about it for a while on the phone. He was explaining all the stuff Sean Freeman had shown in the pictures. Thanks to all of you, for the info. It was nice to see all the information getting thrown at it, good too! The hammering helps to drive the point home. At least I'm not afraid to show what I've done, even if I didn't get it right. I imagine there are several here who'd only post the best of their works, and definitely not their mistakes; but I hope this makes good learning material for other people who see the site. I certainly learn from it. __________________ Ken Fessia I.T.S.A. Tree Service (661) 916-4703

17th January 2008, 12:12 AM	#27 (permalink)
Ekka Eric Frei Administrator - Brisbane L5 (Dip) Hort Cert III Arb + some Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 6,815	Re: Tricky pine felling I dont see any wedge marks in the wood, where were your wedges hey? You didn't use wedges! __________________ Remember to use the "search" function, if you have answers/questions post them so everyone can benefit. Free Tree and Green Industry Link Directory Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping Brisbane Tree Care, Consultations and Arborist Reports Forum Sponsors

17th January 2008, 12:35 AM	#28 (permalink)
Therrin The Tree World Bandit Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Lancaster, Ca Posts: 1,254	Re: Tricky pine felling What's a wedge? J/P.... yeah I don't have any. Will be picking some up tomorow!!! __________________ Ken Fessia I.T.S.A. Tree Service (661) 916-4703

17th January 2008, 01:00 AM	#29 (permalink)
Ekka Eric Frei Administrator - Brisbane L5 (Dip) Hort Cert III Arb + some Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 6,815	Re: Tricky pine felling WTF! Felling wedges, you see me banging them in my videos all the time, even on roped fells. The wedge is your friend, it's both your defence and attack on leans and momentum, the prevention of sit back etc. __________________ Remember to use the "search" function, if you have answers/questions post them so everyone can benefit. Free Tree and Green Industry Link Directory Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping Brisbane Tree Care, Consultations and Arborist Reports Forum Sponsors

17th January 2008, 02:01 AM	#30 (permalink)
Therrin The Tree World Bandit Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Lancaster, Ca Posts: 1,254	Re: Tricky pine felling Once more I feel like a bum, once more I've learned something great. I know what wedges are I was just playing, simply hadn't ever used them before! As I said, I'll pick some up tomorow. I'm used to rigging down alot of stuff, hadn't done alot of plain felling. Starting to do that more so I'll pick some up! Seems that everything I post with pictures turns into a SNAFU, but I'll keep posting and you all can keep hammering at me and saying "WTF? and "that'll get you killed!" and "I'm to old to do stuff like that!" and at some point it'll all come clear. Finally I'll post some pics, and you'll all nod your heads and smile that the youngin is catching on. At that point I'll have ascended to godliness and get lazy and buy a crane and bucket truck, and lambast climbers whenever I get the chance. __________________ Ken Fessia I.T.S.A. Tree Service (661) 916-4703

17th January 2008, 02:37 AM	#31 (permalink)
Sean Freeman PDF King & Arborist Extrodinaire Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Townsville Nth Queensland & Gold Coast Sth Queensland Posts: 1,638	Re: Tricky pine felling Therrin, finally managed to upload the pdf (thanks doubtless to Eric) read through this it has in it heaps of info you will need to expand the safety and efficiency of your felling, I have a US one as well but will try to up load that in the next post! treefell.pdf __________________ Sean Trees are poems that earth writes upon the sky, We fell them down and turn them into paper, That we may record our emptiness. - Kahlil Gibran

17th January 2008, 02:44 AM	#32 (permalink)
Therrin The Tree World Bandit Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Lancaster, Ca Posts: 1,254	Re: Tricky pine felling Oooooh, what a trove of good intel! Thanks Sean!!! __________________ Ken Fessia I.T.S.A. Tree Service (661) 916-4703

17th January 2008, 02:49 AM	#33 (permalink)
Ekka Eric Frei Administrator - Brisbane L5 (Dip) Hort Cert III Arb + some Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 6,815	Re: Tricky pine felling It's the same document as in this thread guys, but it's titled TreefellNZ Guides to Proper Tree Felling - USA & NZ Use the search function Kimosabi It's been there nearly a year. __________________ Remember to use the "search" function, if you have answers/questions post them so everyone can benefit. Free Tree and Green Industry Link Directory Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping Brisbane Tree Care, Consultations and Arborist Reports Forum Sponsors

17th January 2008, 02:52 AM	#34 (permalink)
Therrin The Tree World Bandit Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Lancaster, Ca Posts: 1,254	Re: Tricky pine felling There's alot of info on this site, zimbabwe... It's like wading through something and picking up whatever brushes up against ya. Nice to see things coming at ya from different directions though, increases your chances of finding something good! __________________ Ken Fessia I.T.S.A. Tree Service (661) 916-4703

17th January 2008, 02:54 AM	#35 (permalink)
Sean Freeman PDF King & Arborist Extrodinaire Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Townsville Nth Queensland & Gold Coast Sth Queensland Posts: 1,638	Re: Tricky pine felling Yep thats the US one alright very good too though a couple of the diagrams are a tad confusing Obiwan. __________________ Sean Trees are poems that earth writes upon the sky, We fell them down and turn them into paper, That we may record our emptiness. - Kahlil Gibran

17th January 2008, 09:22 AM	#36 (permalink)
Pigdog Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: USA Posts: 65	Re: Tricky pine felling Criticism can be a good learning tool! But could too much criticism turn one into a procrastinator?

17th January 2008, 11:18 AM	#37 (permalink)
bigshea13 Mature tree Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: hiding Posts: 386	Re: Tricky pine felling only if he lets it

17th January 2008, 05:07 PM	#39 (permalink)
Quintrex Mature tree Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Sydney Posts: 437	Re: Tricky pine felling Therrin, you've had a lot of good advice here. The end result of your job was that the tree fell where you wanted it too, so good job! __________________ Heightmaster

17th January 2008, 05:10 PM	#40 (permalink)
newguy18 Part of the Furniture Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Live Oak Florida home of the crapiest trees you will ever see. Posts: 2,606	Re: Tricky pine felling yeah he did get it where he wanted which is good but hopefully he lears a better technique for next time. __________________ Have your say join us today. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xzkd_m4ivmc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xzfzb...eature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-OqK...eature=related

17th January 2008, 06:05 PM	#41 (permalink)
TreeDimensional Banned Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Canada Posts: 385	Re: Tricky pine felling When Therrin called me last night, I got the pleasure of SAYING, WTF. I'll give him a pat on the back for laying it out there for the rest to see, and allowing the members here to dole out their years of exerience. I was on a vertical learning curve when I first started, I was a lot longer in the tooth than he is, and life experiences wakened that little voice we all have. I was asked to look at a job at a park, a 32" poplar between 2 cabins about 8' apart. It went up about 24'and went co-dominant. The crotch had split and didn't stop until about 5' off the ground. My little voice said "Hey stupid you don't have the knowledge or the equipment to work on that thing". The little voice was right, the cabin owner asked what to do, I knew a guy form 120 miles away that loved working on hazard trees, I gave him a call. I often think back to that day, everytime I look at a tree that is seriously damaged. Dave Loraas was the first tree climber that I ever saw climb that hazard tree, he took me under his wing for a variety of tree work, unselfishly teaching me a lot of what he knows. The funny thing about it all was the fact that he didn't believe me when I relayed the size info to him, and at the completion of that removal, he politley asked me to NEVER call him again for that type of work. We fumbled around, learning and applying our new knowledge, and eventually started using cranes for that Large, no LZ, hazardous stuff. The point I am trying to make here is, if you have even an inkling of a though that your in over your head, You Probably are. This site has proved that there are people out there that are willing to help, internet learning is becoming an epidemic, ask you doctor next time you see him, after you have miss-diagnosed yourself. The Dr. will usually forgive you, a tree landing on your head doesn't care about you. There has been a wealth of knowledge posted on this thread, but having someone on site to watch out for ya, or kick ya in the butt for listening and then doing your own thing is priceless. For the new guys out there, find someone to take you under their wing, male adult pride sometimes can be our undoing.

17th January 2008, 06:23 PM	#42 (permalink)
newguy18 Part of the Furniture Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Live Oak Florida home of the crapiest trees you will ever see. Posts: 2,606	Re: Tricky pine felling so true td.I wish I was here when I first started in tree work it would have saved me alot of time,grief and spared me a few run for your life situations. __________________ Have your say join us today. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xzkd_m4ivmc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xzfzb...eature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-OqK...eature=related