Tree disaster - seen this?

Darrell Mcleod

Done it

Poulan strikes again.

Nice to have your wife and daughter with you when you do work around the yard.

Rob Chace

you idiots. that is all.

Brent Ferris

That's one of the things that happens when professionals make it look easy. Everybody else who has a chainsaw thinks they can do it just as well..........
I wonder, if after Hydro, and the police if a tree service might have been cheaper?

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Jeff Darby

At first glance I could see it was leaning away from the intended direction of felling, This video makes you wonder how can you educate these fools to stop them from killing some one ????? fools rush in ...

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Apocalypsse

Hilarious, even at the first glance before 10 seconds you can see the tree is leaning the wrong way. I wonder where he got the idea that he could do it himself.

Rob Chace

This (only from video i have seen/same as you guys) should have been an easy fall with a mechanical aid/come-along or even skidsteer pull (yeah i know, flame away) but really not much of a lean needed to be corrected and that excuse for a scarf makes me cringe/hinge HA!
An "easy" job, made look dangerous and difficult by ametures/DIY home guys.

I have no sympathy, sorry!

Tony Knight

From the vid perspective slight back lean, no canopy, no heavily bias spars or limbs adding to the backside loading. A correct conventional scarf, standard back cut wedged as you approach your minimum retained hinge wood with 30% step. Then comes the yakka, drive wedges until the tree stands up and then a little further until it lies down (away from those pesky power lines). Oh yes around here it would be standard to put a bull rope on it, Mr Zapo is just to unforgiving, to be sure to be sure.

As for comentary on their job, this is what all DYI's can expect, lesson to be learned all the Homers out there!!

Cheers

Tony

Apocalypsse

Mechanical advantage?! Harden the F up... /end sarcasm :P

Can't tell how much lean there is prior to him screwing it bad but it can't have been too much as it did take a bit to go backwards. Scarfing properly, wedges, even backing it up by tyeing it off onto something and bam, you got some firewood to start cutting up.

George Valentine

If there is a good example of how simple jobs can become dangerous, difficult and expensive, this is certainly one of the top ones I've seen...!

The reality is, this will always happen, everyday every minute of the day, somewhere in the world, one of the main reasons why is, "most" blokes have a "thing" for working with a chainsaw, someone once said, chainsaws are the Harley's of the poor folks, is the "grunt" and tool vibrations that appeal so much particularly to men, and that is a true fact.

Cutting a tree, particularly a dead one like that, doesn't seem to be much of a problem to the common folk, they've seen on TV or or the side of the road, tree people cutting trees, simply by making the "smile cut" and then the back cut to make it fall, right...??? yes, that's right BUT, what they can't see/realise/know is that, the tree person looked at the tree from underneath and make its judgment call of the direction to fall, if that is possible (fall in any direction) or, if the tree only can fall in one direction, if the tree can do it on its own, or need some "encouragement".

What I'm saying is, for those not able to work out what went wrong in this video (certainly not tree people...!), the tree lean dictates a certain approach from the tree person. People with little or no knowledge of tree falling, doesn't know that, even a small lean towards the opposite direction, they want the tree to fall, can create havoc and a very dangerous situation that some have been killed by.

Even a perfectly straight up tree, can fall in the wrong direction if the person cutting doesn't understand that a little breeze can push the tree in the wrong direction, reason why, tree people will take a few extra steps to unsure a safe fall, such as wedges, ropes, and many other tools/techniques, not forgetting the very determinative factor, which is the way that the cuts are placed at the base of the tree, to make it fall, safely...!

This is not as easy as it looks, even tough, when we have done it thousands of times, there are times situations that can kill even the best tree person, this has happened once again, not that long ago...!

There is also one other important factor that can make people decided doing the job themselves, and that has to do with the perception or in many times the experience of been heavily charge for some tree work, which is a general perception people has about calling the tree people, as some just charge far too much for "simple jobs".

I don't need to give you a definition of simple jobs, there is, (for tree people off-course), there are a few that will fit well in this category, when trees are large and tree climbing is necessary, use of cranes, etc., that's when this get a little more complicated and therefore will incur in a more expensive job but, there are many guys out there that just charge too damn much, for simple jobs and that, people know about and try to void.

No 2 jobs are the same, don't take me wrong, I know well all the risks and difficulties of every type of tree work you can think of, however, I see tree people charging premium rates for jobs such as the one in the video or similar in many ways. I find irresponsible and very unfair to charge a person that doesn't know or understand anything about trees, for risks and steps that are made up to justify a higher charge.

Do you want an example...??? the video is a good one, quoting the job costs based of the fact that the power lines and the road are too close...!

Really...??? well they are sure there but, does that offer any extra risk to a knowledgeable tree person...?? no is not but, for the "ignorant" customer, those 2 pointed factors will scare him/her and therefore, creating the right mentality frame to accept twice amount of the charge that really should apply, and that is done deliberately, if the tree person doing the quote, is a dishonest person...!

Not everyone is obviously in this category but, there are far too many people calling themselves tree people that, are in it, just to grab quick money from those less educated in these issues, and this is creating 2 types of problems, one, people pay far too much and second, the jobs are poorly done. Join those 2 together and you have the right recipe to stop those people and anyone they talk to about it, void calling tree people...!

However, and as I said initially, there will be always "those" that need to go for a "ride" on their chainsaw, and not always is, to cut already fallen wood into firewood but, standing trees that are beyond their skill capabilities, resulting in the situation as shown in the video, with the difference that 99.9% of them, are never videoed, witness and certainly never told...!

Cheers
George

Paul Toivonen

I am surpised the saw lasted as long as it did.
Looked really sharp too.

ArbTrain

Hilarious!!.. in all the wrong ways.. the lack of PPE ( and knowledge/ competence).. the kids in the exclusion zone .. the road... the HV power lines() the metal ladder ANYWHERE near the HV ().. the pissy bunnings rope - 2 mtrs up the tree.. the bloke continuing to film about 1 mt. away when it was just resting on its shitfull, hacked stump.. I will be using this in my felling courses from now on,, - what NOt to do , of course.

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