Storm uprooted Euc

Therrin · 4th February 2008, 01:00 AM

Dismantled/Removed a storm uprooted Euc today.... everything down to the root ball. Nice house though eh?

Ekka · 4th February 2008, 01:01 AM

What happens with the mound in the lawn?

Therrin · 4th February 2008, 01:12 AM

I took all the log material in 2 loads with my pickup, took the pictures, then came back with the box truck and removed the pile. Box truck eats gas so I use the pickup when I can.

How would you suggest having the uprooted root ball taken care of?

(when you said "mound" I originally thought you meant the pile of brush lying off to the right side....which is what I answered according to. Now I realize that I think you meant the root-ball...., I had suggested a demo company with a small crane.)

The h.o. was actually really nice... took me out for lunch after I had finished up. T'was in a gated community, no shortage of funds.

PTC · 4th February 2008, 02:14 AM

find someone with a BIG stump grinder

Ace Master · 4th February 2008, 02:34 AM

Therrin
Do you know why it fell over,we have alot of Euc fall over when the ground is water logged and in strong winds, looks like you need a stump grinder....

Therrin · 4th February 2008, 02:38 AM

Ground was extremely soft... water-logged as you say. We've had more rain in the last 3 weeks than in the last 3 years combined.

It hadn't been pruned at all throughout it's life, I think if it were still standing it could have benefitted from some thinning for sail-reduction. Only found one piece of deadwood, was suprised. T'was a very "healthy" tree.

I failed to mention that there were trees down all over the city today, we had gusts up to 115mph. Poor thing just couldn't hold up in the face of that.

I'll not be doing the stumping job. I did what I said I'd do, and I've no experience running a stumper. I think it's hardly the job to learn on. =)

Therrin · 4th February 2008, 02:40 AM

Mmm, side note.... had all these "rich folk" driving by asking if they could have the wood.

Told em it was called for (mine!) Took me a while to realize that they all thought they could just take it home and throw it on the fire! Stuff was heavy of course, full of water... People don't understand about "seasoned" firewood.

newguy18 · 4th February 2008, 05:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Therrin

Ground was extremely soft... water-logged as you say. We've had more rain in the last 3 weeks than in the last 3 years combined.

It hadn't been pruned at all throughout it's life, I think if it were still standing it could have benefitted from some thinning for sail-reduction. Only found one piece of deadwood, was suprised. T'was a very "healthy" tree.

I failed to mention that there were trees down all over the city today, we had gusts up to 115mph. Poor thing just couldn't hold up in the face of that.

I'll not be doing the stumping job. I did what I said I'd do, and I've no experience running a stumper. I think it's hardly the job to learn on. =)

if you don't think yuo can do it don't try it.you did what you can with what you got.

shaggs · 4th February 2008, 03:57 PM

Nice house, nice easy job. Looks like you could get alot more work in that street.
Even the "magnetic" glass light didn't break!

mdvaden · 4th February 2008, 05:02 PM

I've stump ground messes like that before, and also hacked them to pieces with picks, pressure washers etc.. (the hard way).

Seems that getting a strong crane and a dump truck would be the perfect way to go if enough trunk was left on.

Pull it loose and out, then fill the hole with soil.

mdvaden · 4th February 2008, 05:05 PM

Also, I'm I right in guessing where the prevailing winds usually come from, not just by that fallen tree, but by the slight lean of every other tree in the image from palms to pine?

JCONN · 4th February 2008, 05:47 PM

Not to go off topic but a few people mentioned using a crane to remove that stump. I dont know how it is everywhere else but trying to get rid of stump and root ball that size around were Iam from is near impossible. The tipping fee if you can find a place could run more then the entire clean up of that job.

D Mc · 4th February 2008, 06:08 PM

therrin, do you have any rental yards with stump grinders? or someone you can sub the job to?

We have done lots of stumps like this. You just peal back the sod, lay it off to the side (cover it or keep it damp), grind the stump, remove as much of the woody mulch as you can, back fill and level (add soil if necessary, usually not), replace sod and roll smooth. Viola. job done.

No tipping fees.

Could be a few more bucks to you.

D and S Mc

Ekka · 4th February 2008, 10:30 PM

Interesting, from this thread

http://www.treeworld.info/f41/failure-roots-1482.html

This one would be a soil fracture not a root fracture.

Therrin · 5th February 2008, 02:15 AM

D Mc, and maybe others....

I know when I'm outclassed... I'll leave the stump/root-ball to people who know what they're doing. I've actually never used a stump grinder, though they're available from local rental yards, and I'm actually itching to give it a go at some other client's locations.

At other places and settings, I'm more than happy to go rent one and grind a stump down, but for *this* particular place and setting, I think it is best left to someone more professional at that type of thing.

I don't consider it "leaving the job unfinished" as this was all layed out ahead of time as how it would happen, and frankly, I'd not want to do a piss-poor job of the finish work in a neighborhood like that. The h.o. requested me to leave several cards with him as he was certain he'd get people coming by asking who the guy was cutting up his tree, and if he had my number.

I'd rather not practice that kinds stuff on the grounds of a $million+ property... although they've alot of beetled pines in the backyard I'll be removing in the future, as well as treating the as-yet unbeetled ones.

JayD · 5th February 2008, 02:36 AM

Therrin,
Why let some one else bask in your audience? There is still good money to be had on this job, As this tree has failed and riped up most of its roots I would say that there are no srvices running under it,You could hook up a cable to the strongest part of the remaining ball and cut the remaining roots pull it out and dispose of it, whilst keeping your job inhouse, check out where the water service runs into the property, generally from the water meter to the front tap in a strait line is were you will find the water pipes,If theres no overhead power you ring before you dig They tell you where the underground power is..as a rule of thumb it generally runs up one side of the property,Telephone line look in stump hole...look in the hole for signs of any of the mentioned services...go after the rest of the job carefully aproached there's no reason not get as much out of this job as you can.IMO.
JayD

D Mc · 5th February 2008, 07:00 AM

Therrin, your reasoning is good and we didn't mean to sound like we were pressuring you; just offering possible solutions.

For future reference (if/when you do stump grinding). ALWAYS call before you dig or pull (or in this instance grind). It's the Law! and it's free. We have run into instances where the stump was up like that you could see in the hole, the owner had pulled a bunch of dirt out and when we called and had it marked the lines were in the hole! You just can't tell. Also if you start pulling things, JD's advise of cutting the roots before is good, because you have no idea how far and how deep those roots actually go. You not only have utilities to worry about but anything the land owner might have put in; ie., personal lighting and sprinkler systems.

The problem with pulling is that you still have a stump; with stump grinding you have reuseable mulch.

Definitely try stump grinding before purchasing one; some people like it, some people can't stand to do it. There is definitely decent money to be had with it, though.

Good luck.

S and D Mc

4th February 2008, 01:00 AM	#1 (permalink)
Therrin The Tree World Bandit Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Lancaster, Ca Posts: 1,273	Storm uprooted Euc Dismantled/Removed a storm uprooted Euc today.... everything down to the root ball. Nice house though eh? __________________ Ken Fessia I.T.S.A. Tree Service (661) 916-4703

4th February 2008, 01:01 AM	#2 (permalink)
Ekka Eric Frei Administrator - Brisbane L5 (Dip) Hort Cert III Arb + some Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 6,933	Re: Storm uprooted Euc What happens with the mound in the lawn? __________________ Remember to use the "search" function, if you have answers/questions post them so everyone can benefit. Free Tree and Green Industry Link Directory Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding and Stump Removal Brisbane Brisbane Tree Care, Consultations, Developer, Tree and Arborist Reports Forum Sponsors

4th February 2008, 01:12 AM	#3 (permalink)
Therrin The Tree World Bandit Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Lancaster, Ca Posts: 1,273	Re: Storm uprooted Euc I took all the log material in 2 loads with my pickup, took the pictures, then came back with the box truck and removed the pile. Box truck eats gas so I use the pickup when I can. How would you suggest having the uprooted root ball taken care of? (when you said "mound" I originally thought you meant the pile of brush lying off to the right side....which is what I answered according to. Now I realize that I think you meant the root-ball...., I had suggested a demo company with a small crane.) The h.o. was actually really nice... took me out for lunch after I had finished up. T'was in a gated community, no shortage of funds. __________________ Ken Fessia I.T.S.A. Tree Service (661) 916-4703 Last edited by Therrin : 4th February 2008 at 02:29 AM.

4th February 2008, 02:14 AM	#4 (permalink)
PTC Sappling Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Sydney Posts: 24	Re: Storm uprooted Euc find someone with a BIG stump grinder

4th February 2008, 02:34 AM	#5 (permalink)
Ace Master Mature tree Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Australia, Vic, Melbourne Posts: 276	Re: Storm uprooted Euc Therrin Do you know why it fell over,we have alot of Euc fall over when the ground is water logged and in strong winds, looks like you need a stump grinder.... __________________ The Mt Dandenong Ranges Tree Specialists

4th February 2008, 02:38 AM	#6 (permalink)
Therrin The Tree World Bandit Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Lancaster, Ca Posts: 1,273	Re: Storm uprooted Euc Ground was extremely soft... water-logged as you say. We've had more rain in the last 3 weeks than in the last 3 years combined. It hadn't been pruned at all throughout it's life, I think if it were still standing it could have benefitted from some thinning for sail-reduction. Only found one piece of deadwood, was suprised. T'was a very "healthy" tree. I failed to mention that there were trees down all over the city today, we had gusts up to 115mph. Poor thing just couldn't hold up in the face of that. I'll not be doing the stumping job. I did what I said I'd do, and I've no experience running a stumper. I think it's hardly the job to learn on. =) __________________ Ken Fessia I.T.S.A. Tree Service (661) 916-4703

4th February 2008, 02:40 AM	#7 (permalink)
Therrin The Tree World Bandit Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Lancaster, Ca Posts: 1,273	Re: Storm uprooted Euc Mmm, side note.... had all these "rich folk" driving by asking if they could have the wood. Told em it was called for (mine!) Took me a while to realize that they all thought they could just take it home and throw it on the fire! Stuff was heavy of course, full of water... People don't understand about "seasoned" firewood. __________________ Ken Fessia I.T.S.A. Tree Service (661) 916-4703

4th February 2008, 03:57 PM	#9 (permalink)
shaggs Mature tree Join Date: May 2007 Location: sydney Posts: 462	Re: Storm uprooted Euc Nice house, nice easy job. Looks like you could get alot more work in that street. Even the "magnetic" glass light didn't break!

4th February 2008, 05:02 PM	#10 (permalink)
mdvaden Over mature heritage tree Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Oregon Posts: 543	Re: Storm uprooted Euc I've stump ground messes like that before, and also hacked them to pieces with picks, pressure washers etc.. (the hard way). Seems that getting a strong crane and a dump truck would be the perfect way to go if enough trunk was left on. Pull it loose and out, then fill the hole with soil. __________________ ____________________________________ Grove of Redwood TITANS Oregon BIGOOT trap

4th February 2008, 05:05 PM	#11 (permalink)
mdvaden Over mature heritage tree Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Oregon Posts: 543	Re: Storm uprooted Euc Also, I'm I right in guessing where the prevailing winds usually come from, not just by that fallen tree, but by the slight lean of every other tree in the image from palms to pine? __________________ ____________________________________ Grove of Redwood TITANS Oregon BIGOOT trap

4th February 2008, 05:47 PM	#12 (permalink)
JCONN Sappling Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: ROCHESTER NY Posts: 12	Re: Storm uprooted Euc Not to go off topic but a few people mentioned using a crane to remove that stump. I dont know how it is everywhere else but trying to get rid of stump and root ball that size around were Iam from is near impossible. The tipping fee if you can find a place could run more then the entire clean up of that job.

4th February 2008, 06:08 PM	#13 (permalink)
D Mc Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Montana Posts: 72	Re: Storm uprooted Euc therrin, do you have any rental yards with stump grinders? or someone you can sub the job to? We have done lots of stumps like this. You just peal back the sod, lay it off to the side (cover it or keep it damp), grind the stump, remove as much of the woody mulch as you can, back fill and level (add soil if necessary, usually not), replace sod and roll smooth. Viola. job done. No tipping fees. Could be a few more bucks to you. D and S Mc

4th February 2008, 10:30 PM	#14 (permalink)
Ekka Eric Frei Administrator - Brisbane L5 (Dip) Hort Cert III Arb + some Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 6,933	Re: Storm uprooted Euc Interesting, from this thread http://www.treeworld.info/f41/failure-roots-1482.html This one would be a soil fracture not a root fracture. __________________ Remember to use the "search" function, if you have answers/questions post them so everyone can benefit. Free Tree and Green Industry Link Directory Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding and Stump Removal Brisbane Brisbane Tree Care, Consultations, Developer, Tree and Arborist Reports Forum Sponsors

5th February 2008, 02:15 AM	#15 (permalink)
Therrin The Tree World Bandit Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Lancaster, Ca Posts: 1,273	Re: Storm uprooted Euc D Mc, and maybe others.... I know when I'm outclassed... I'll leave the stump/root-ball to people who know what they're doing. I've actually never used a stump grinder, though they're available from local rental yards, and I'm actually itching to give it a go at some other client's locations. At other places and settings, I'm more than happy to go rent one and grind a stump down, but for this particular place and setting, I think it is best left to someone more professional at that type of thing. I don't consider it "leaving the job unfinished" as this was all layed out ahead of time as how it would happen, and frankly, I'd not want to do a piss-poor job of the finish work in a neighborhood like that. The h.o. requested me to leave several cards with him as he was certain he'd get people coming by asking who the guy was cutting up his tree, and if he had my number. I'd rather not practice that kinds stuff on the grounds of a $million+ property... although they've alot of beetled pines in the backyard I'll be removing in the future, as well as treating the as-yet unbeetled ones. __________________ Ken Fessia I.T.S.A. Tree Service (661) 916-4703

5th February 2008, 02:36 AM	#16 (permalink)
JayD Over mature heritage tree Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Sydney Posts: 941	Re: Storm uprooted Euc Therrin, Why let some one else bask in your audience? There is still good money to be had on this job, As this tree has failed and riped up most of its roots I would say that there are no srvices running under it,You could hook up a cable to the strongest part of the remaining ball and cut the remaining roots pull it out and dispose of it, whilst keeping your job inhouse, check out where the water service runs into the property, generally from the water meter to the front tap in a strait line is were you will find the water pipes,If theres no overhead power you ring before you dig They tell you where the underground power is..as a rule of thumb it generally runs up one side of the property,Telephone line look in stump hole...look in the hole for signs of any of the mentioned services...go after the rest of the job carefully aproached there's no reason not get as much out of this job as you can.IMO. JayD __________________ Free Tree and Green Industry Link Directory

5th February 2008, 07:00 AM	#17 (permalink)
D Mc Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Montana Posts: 72	Re: Storm uprooted Euc Therrin, your reasoning is good and we didn't mean to sound like we were pressuring you; just offering possible solutions. For future reference (if/when you do stump grinding). ALWAYS call before you dig or pull (or in this instance grind). It's the Law! and it's free. We have run into instances where the stump was up like that you could see in the hole, the owner had pulled a bunch of dirt out and when we called and had it marked the lines were in the hole! You just can't tell. Also if you start pulling things, JD's advise of cutting the roots before is good, because you have no idea how far and how deep those roots actually go. You not only have utilities to worry about but anything the land owner might have put in; ie., personal lighting and sprinkler systems. The problem with pulling is that you still have a stump; with stump grinding you have reuseable mulch. Definitely try stump grinding before purchasing one; some people like it, some people can't stand to do it. There is definitely decent money to be had with it, though. Good luck. S and D Mc