So whadya get up to today.

Therrin · 7th June 2008, 12:17 AM

The Unimog really looks like my style anyway.

I'll have to find a chipper I can mount on the front end of one.

=)

juniorgilman · 7th June 2008, 09:27 AM

I've been working on the Willow Oak for the last few weekends. It was a 65ft beautiful specimen in a very tight spot. The roots were pulling up the sidewalk, and the customer was fearful of it damaging their foundation. Beautiful tree, in a bad spot. The only thing left now is the stump. These pics were taken halfway through.

Ekka · 8th June 2008, 04:03 AM

Not only between the houses but right on the steel fence posts.

Not a bad looking tree, are they OK?

a_lopa · 8th June 2008, 04:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Therrin

The Unimog really looks like my style anyway.

I'll have to find a chipper I can mount on the front end of one.

=)

A 250 bandit on the front of a mog would be great!!

juniorgilman · 8th June 2008, 06:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Ekka

Not only between the houses but right on the steel fence posts.

Not a bad looking tree, are they OK?

It's a great looking tree in full foliage. Only problem with them is in the fall when it clean up time. The leaves are like little fingers and there are a ton of them. It was a good challenge for me, but otherwise I hated to take it down. It was in great health aside from where the home owner tried to do their own pruning from their roof.

treevet · 8th June 2008, 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by juniorgilman

It's a great looking tree in full foliage. Only problem with them is in the fall when it clean up time. The leaves are like little fingers and there are a ton of them. It was a good challenge for me, but otherwise I hated to take it down. It was in great health aside from where the home owner tried to do their own pruning from their roof.

We have many willow oak in my area. They get gigantic and it was the right thing you did because of location. The mistake here was in planting it there or allowing it to mature. They are much like pin oak in structure and quick growth rate.

treeseer · 8th June 2008, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by treevet

it was the right thing ...because of location. The mistake here was in planting it there or allowing it to mature. .

Many of my clients would choose to deal with the possibility of foundation trouble. For them, a growth regulator could be prescribed.

Nice pics, thanks. And nice work!

treevet · 8th June 2008, 09:08 AM

My clients, facing thousands of $ of foundation repairs are always dictated to remove the tree if they want any kind of guarantee in the repair. The jury is still way out on how much tgrs can do to affect a situation such as this. Sure you could wait until the damage occurs but then you WILL pay and if removed you WON'T pay for repairs. At least related to this tree. There is a 120 ft 4 and a half foot trunk dia willow oak with 100 feet of crown spread on my clients golf course a half mile from my house. Cambistat won't and isn't intended to be effective in a situation such as this.

Your being silly and immature again Mr. Treeseer.

treeseer · 8th June 2008, 01:26 PM

Clients decide to keep trees, not me. Some panic over a crack, some don't. I have clients that look at a crack , and ask me to manage the tree. You can call that immature; I call it the owners' freedom of choice based on personal values, being fully aware of Possible consequences. God Bless the Lands of the Free.

Case in point: 3' dbh white oak 2' from a house. 13 years ago the owners asked about a crack in the basement wall near the tree. I said it might not get much worse, and it has not. So silly me has been treating the tree for all that time; should I be ashamed? Not treating with tgr's, yet... will Arbor Cop bust for malpractice if I do?

I think not.

juniorgilman · 8th June 2008, 03:30 PM

Personally I think it's a gamble. We don't know what the roots are really doing under the ground and where they are going. I don't know anything about tree biology like a lot of the other folk on here, but it seems a bit of common sense. You either take the tree out, and you won't have problems with the foundation, or you leave the tree and try to treat it, and you may or may not have problems.

Ekka · 8th June 2008, 03:53 PM

How effective are those TGR's?

If they were very good you'd think the trees under power wires would be treated. You guys in USA have more gadgets, gizzmo's and chemicals than any I have met to treat trees, so I ask as it's not something I can walk into a store and buy here.

Here's a flip side to a tree removal close to the house.

Will there be subsidence as the soil volume collapses due to the roots decaying?

Will the risk of termite damage increase as a readily available food source is now in close proximity to a house?

These a very real concerns I face often when dealing with large trees close to houses. The effective method of termite treatment is to send a spear down and inject the soil creating a barrier .... however if the tree root has gone well under the slab then what?

Also treating the tree or stump whether alive or dead is bullshit too. Had this out with a number of termite guys.

In a live tree the poison can only travel the cambial layers ... the heartwood remains untreated.

Modern chemicals dont have the same potency or longivity as years ago. If the tree is treated live then cut down a "shell" around the heartwood is termite resistant. However not for ever. Also where ever it did not reach or a root breaks etc becomes and entry path.

If the tree is dead or cut down then the stump treated the chemical wont travel in the heartwood. Best they can do is drill and treat like a huge bait station. Hopefully the termites eat some of the chemical and return it to the nest. But the poison wont carry to the root tips.

This is why on land clearing I jobs I 100% recommend excavation so the root ball and lateral roots are pulled out. Removing as much timber from the ground as possible. For those dubious operators who stump grind and a house goes over the top ... you're BLOODY IDIOTS WITH A SHORT TERM GOAL!

But as this is an unregulated full of hacks industry and customers who like cheap they go for the stump grinding coz ... it's cheaper.

treeseer · 8th June 2008, 05:34 PM

re termites, what about Beauvaria and the other biocontrols?

newguy18 · 8th June 2008, 06:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ekka

How effective are those TGR's?

If they were very good you'd think the trees under power wires would be treated. You guys in USA have more gadgets, gizzmo's and chemicals than any I have met to treat trees, so I ask as it's not something I can walk into a store and buy here.

I'm not sure about the effectivness about tgrs but i post a couple pics in the tgrs thread started by treevet.A codominat bhoke cherry tree that was sprayed,half of the tree died from tgrs.A few weeks after i took those pics the little shoots died from the "dead" half of the tree.They may have some effectivnes but I personally don't and will not spray any chemical on a tree.It may be limiting buisness but i won't have it any other way.Just my 2 cents.

Ekka · 8th June 2008, 08:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by treeseer

re termites, what about Beauvaria and the other biocontrols?

No idea, perhaps need a new thread on bio control of soil pests, will it kill the good guys too though?

treevet · 9th June 2008, 04:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by treeseer

Clients decide to keep trees, not me. Some panic over a crack, some don't. I have clients that look at a crack , and ask me to manage the tree. You can call that immature; I call it the owners' freedom of choice based on personal values, being fully aware of Possible consequences. God Bless the Lands of the Free.

Case in point: 3' dbh white oak 2' from a house. 13 years ago the owners asked about a crack in the basement wall near the tree. I said it might not get much worse, and it has not. So silly me has been treating the tree for all that time; should I be ashamed? Not treating with tgr's, yet... will Arbor Cop bust for malpractice if I do?

I think not.

In a perfect world with rainbows, unicorns, elves running around eating cotton candy we never have to remove any trees. But in this one we do. The term client has always meant to me that we recommend to the individual how to best spend their money from our perspective. A crack is involved and the client asks "me how to manage the tree". Yes , they have the freedom to make their own choice, but this choice is based on a highly experienced, knowledgeable and respected representative of the profession that will seek the best information.....you. Therefore, I feel that you do a disservice sometimes by always advising to keep the tree.

The tree will do foundation damage, just a matter when, (it's roots are blocked both ways) and it will cost much more to remove years later in that location (extremely difficult). The foundation repairs won't be guaranteed unless the tree is removed. My advice, yank it and if a tree is wanted to soften up the alley, plant a little dogwood that loves shade and won't get very big. That tree will get gigantic no matter what shiny magical powder you sprinkle around it's trunk.

7th June 2008, 12:17 AM	#1051 (permalink)
Therrin The Tree World Bandit Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Lancaster, Ca Posts: 1,282	Re: So whadya get up to today. The Unimog really looks like my style anyway. I'll have to find a chipper I can mount on the front end of one. =) __________________ Ken Fessia I.T.S.A. Tree Service (661) 916-4703

8th June 2008, 04:03 AM	#1053 (permalink)
Ekka Eric Frei Administrator - Brisbane L5 (Dip) Hort Cert III Arb + some Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 7,405	Re: So whadya get up to today. Not only between the houses but right on the steel fence posts. Not a bad looking tree, are they OK? __________________ Remember to use the "search" function, if you have answers/questions post them so everyone can benefit. Free Tree and Green Industry Link Directory Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding and Stump Removal Brisbane Brisbane Tree Care, Consultations, Developer, Tree and Arborist Reports Forum Sponsors

8th June 2008, 09:08 AM	#1058 (permalink)
treevet Veteran Heritage Status Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Cincinnati, Ohio, USA Posts: 1,123	Re: So whadya get up to today. My clients, facing thousands of $ of foundation repairs are always dictated to remove the tree if they want any kind of guarantee in the repair. The jury is still way out on how much tgrs can do to affect a situation such as this. Sure you could wait until the damage occurs but then you WILL pay and if removed you WON'T pay for repairs. At least related to this tree. There is a 120 ft 4 and a half foot trunk dia willow oak with 100 feet of crown spread on my clients golf course a half mile from my house. Cambistat won't and isn't intended to be effective in a situation such as this. Your being silly and immature again Mr. Treeseer.

8th June 2008, 01:26 PM	#1059 (permalink)
treeseer Over mature heritage tree Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: SE USA Posts: 663	Re: So whadya get up to today. Clients decide to keep trees, not me. Some panic over a crack, some don't. I have clients that look at a crack , and ask me to manage the tree. You can call that immature; I call it the owners' freedom of choice based on personal values, being fully aware of Possible consequences. God Bless the Lands of the Free. Case in point: 3' dbh white oak 2' from a house. 13 years ago the owners asked about a crack in the basement wall near the tree. I said it might not get much worse, and it has not. So silly me has been treating the tree for all that time; should I be ashamed? Not treating with tgr's, yet... will Arbor Cop bust for malpractice if I do? I think not. __________________ Guy Meilleur \| Forensic Arborist \| Better Tree Care

8th June 2008, 03:30 PM	#1060 (permalink)
juniorgilman Sappling Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Maidens, VA Posts: 38	Re: So whadya get up to today. Personally I think it's a gamble. We don't know what the roots are really doing under the ground and where they are going. I don't know anything about tree biology like a lot of the other folk on here, but it seems a bit of common sense. You either take the tree out, and you won't have problems with the foundation, or you leave the tree and try to treat it, and you may or may not have problems. __________________ Husky 385xp Husky 334t

8th June 2008, 03:53 PM	#1061 (permalink)
Ekka Eric Frei Administrator - Brisbane L5 (Dip) Hort Cert III Arb + some Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 7,405	Re: So whadya get up to today. How effective are those TGR's? If they were very good you'd think the trees under power wires would be treated. You guys in USA have more gadgets, gizzmo's and chemicals than any I have met to treat trees, so I ask as it's not something I can walk into a store and buy here. Here's a flip side to a tree removal close to the house. Will there be subsidence as the soil volume collapses due to the roots decaying? Will the risk of termite damage increase as a readily available food source is now in close proximity to a house? These a very real concerns I face often when dealing with large trees close to houses. The effective method of termite treatment is to send a spear down and inject the soil creating a barrier .... however if the tree root has gone well under the slab then what? Also treating the tree or stump whether alive or dead is bullshit too. Had this out with a number of termite guys. In a live tree the poison can only travel the cambial layers ... the heartwood remains untreated. Modern chemicals dont have the same potency or longivity as years ago. If the tree is treated live then cut down a "shell" around the heartwood is termite resistant. However not for ever. Also where ever it did not reach or a root breaks etc becomes and entry path. If the tree is dead or cut down then the stump treated the chemical wont travel in the heartwood. Best they can do is drill and treat like a huge bait station. Hopefully the termites eat some of the chemical and return it to the nest. But the poison wont carry to the root tips. This is why on land clearing I jobs I 100% recommend excavation so the root ball and lateral roots are pulled out. Removing as much timber from the ground as possible. For those dubious operators who stump grind and a house goes over the top ... you're BLOODY IDIOTS WITH A SHORT TERM GOAL! But as this is an unregulated full of hacks industry and customers who like cheap they go for the stump grinding coz ... it's cheaper. __________________ Remember to use the "search" function, if you have answers/questions post them so everyone can benefit. Free Tree and Green Industry Link Directory Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding and Stump Removal Brisbane Brisbane Tree Care, Consultations, Developer, Tree and Arborist Reports Forum Sponsors

8th June 2008, 05:34 PM	#1062 (permalink)
treeseer Over mature heritage tree Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: SE USA Posts: 663	Re: So whadya get up to today. re termites, what about Beauvaria and the other biocontrols? __________________ Guy Meilleur \| Forensic Arborist \| Better Tree Care