Significant Trees

Sean Freeman · 4th August 2007, 04:20 PM

As I'm sure some of you know from my posts I have a few obsessions, beyond the general obsession about trees, one of which is ancient/historic/veteran/historic trees. I spend a fair bit of my time trawling the net and physically travelling around my region finding such trees (BTW very few where I actually live

) so am always surprised and interested when I come across examples.

Had a conversation with treeseer not long ago about how I often wish trees were more sensitive to the damage we inflict on them, as then perhaps we as a community would treat trees with a fraction of the care we apply to roses or orchids!! So when I came across the example of the Tree Of Life near Bahrain I thought I would use it as a starter for this thread about significant trees........

The Tree of Life : Shajarat al-Hayah is a 400-year old mesquite tree in Bahrain which is considered a natural wonder. This unique tree stands alone in the desert about 1.2 miles (two kilometers) from the Jebel Dukhan. The source of water for this tree still remains a mystery, and this is still the case in a country where drilling exploration has revealed much of the geological mysteries hidden from the surface. I'm not suggesting anything mystical just that this mesquite has access to water that has not been located, they'll do that trees!

Here's a map with the location (roughly) shown in red..can't give you a satellite shot since I don't pay google for that right..

So what you can do is bring up google maps on your pc then find Bahrain, zoom into the rough area and click satellite and zoom on in..you'll find the tree easily!!

Here's some shot taken through 2002-2005

Eric Frei · 4th August 2007, 05:03 PM

If you have Google Earth you can type in tree of life and it takes you straight there with 2 more pics and a link to their forum where it gets a mention.

It is a wonder that it's there, for that long!

You'd wonder about shifting sands burying or exposing it over that time.

Sean Freeman · 5th August 2007, 11:28 AM

Some parts of the world have more than their fair share of historic and veteran trees Scotland for example...just greedy if you ask me, so many check this site for a good list and the means to buy the book form the Forestry Commission of Scotland http://www.treefestscotland.org.uk/forestry/INFD-6TVJZF
I'll pick just one, I love trees that swallow stuff!!

In the small village of Brig o'Turk (great name!) is a 100yr old sycamore Acer pseudoplatanus that has swallowed a bicycle.

Hili · 5th August 2007, 11:37 AM

Very interesting boa, that mesquite tree is amazing. It would be great to give it a visit

Sean Freeman · 5th August 2007, 11:50 AM

You'd just love to be able to trace the roots down through the soil/sand and find just what kind of moisture levels exist and where...rather like the older trees out west here I suspect that it would have seasonal associations with fungi to be able to effectively draw in soil resources.

Here's a better bike eating tree from the USA Vashon Island Washington

Sean Freeman · 5th August 2007, 12:03 PM

Here's one for all the Southern Queenslanders a giant camphor Cinnamomum camphora laurel in Takeo city Japan

There's a website for potential tourists http://www.pref.saga.lg.jp/at-conten...i073/index.htm Maybe some of the local councils down your way should push the tourist angle on your camphors Ekka!!

JohN Dee · 5th August 2007, 12:59 PM

Great thread Boa, that is one HUGE friggen Camphor'... They're a huge weed/pest down here. Been a HEAP of court cases where these trees have been removed off private land by the local council(s).

That tree of life sure does look good! I cant get my google earth working to look at it.

Sean Freeman · 5th August 2007, 02:00 PM

This is one of the oddest stories I've come across Decatur County Courthouse built in 1870 soon showed the presence of some sapling growing out of the roofing, so they cut them out (as you would) but then in 1875 another sapling appears growing away and this time is left till 1929 (1929!!!

what did all the roofers go on strike WTF???) Anyhow in 29' this small tree dies only to be replaced by more saplings in the roof, so and so on and so on...don't believe me.....

It really is wierd, now they even have a festival, tourists come from all over to see the tree...check here to view a range of photos from the 1890's onwards
http://my.voyager.net/~mfhaston/GreensburgIN.html

Really is the strangest thing...so next time you see a crap roofing job think on maybe the plumber is just trying to get another tourist attraction started!

Steve Tipton · 5th August 2007, 08:00 PM

Hi Boa,
A book you would enjoy is "MEETINGS WITH REMARKABLE TREES" by Thomas Pakenhan, published by Phoenix Illustrated, Orion Publishing Group, 5 Upper St. Martins Lane LondonWC2H 9EA.
Great pics of ancient trees in UK, Europe and Asia.
First pubished by George Weidenfield and Nicholson Ltd.
Steve

Eric Frei · 5th August 2007, 08:25 PM

Well, I'd like to add a significant tree story pertaining to Australian politics.

Back in 1890 era it's alleged but not proven that the Australian Labor Party was born after a shearers strike under the shade of a ghost gum in Barcaldine, now historically known as The Tree of Knowledge.

However around May 2006 the tree had a large amount of weed killer poured onto it's roots (30 litres) and had a long struggle as people tried to save it.

However on 3 October 2006 the tree was officially pronounced dead.

In an effort to preserve the tree, it was uprooted and transported to Brisbane 29 July 2007

Tree of Knowledge poisoned : ABC Western Queensland
'Tree of Knowledge' cuttings sales unlikely. 04/10/2006. ABC News Online
Tree of Knowledge uprooted | The Courier-Mail

The irony is the current Labor premier for Queensland went to Barcaldine to hold a farewell service and donate $1.4million for a memorial centre, he was greeted by 500 angry protesters who threw water filled projectiles at him in the middle of a drought. They were protesting about the recent council amalgamations in Queensland.

Premier Beattie said, "Isn't it great to see (that spirit) is not dead," he said amidst the shouts.

Drouin Tree Service · 5th August 2007, 09:49 PM

Angkor Wat... Cambodia

Drouin Tree Service · 5th August 2007, 09:57 PM

Tree thats seen it all,taken from http://www.kiddofspeed.com/default.htm

Backdrop is cherynobyl nuclear reactor.

Sean Freeman · 5th August 2007, 10:47 PM

Those pics from Angkor Wat are a powerful reminder of the relentless pressure from nature...you know the city of Angkor was a bustling metropolis when London was just a mucky village, but given half a chance and the forest will take back the land it once held. The tropics accelerate that process for sure.

The pic near Chernobyl I've not seen before thats really strong maybe because its B&W or maybe its more the subject matter...whatever the reason its a good one, it moves you in some way just looking at it.

Sean Freeman · 5th August 2007, 10:50 PM

The whole Tree of Knowledge debacle makes me angry Ekka, it epitomises all thats wrong about the management of our urban forest and worse the lack of respect and significance we as a community give to our past.....something I'm still getting my head around about Oz even after 20yrs here, its something I intend to change BTW.

Sean Freeman · 18th September 2007, 02:32 PM

We have a fair bit as a species to learn from the trees, and the significant trees that occupy such a big part of my thoughts impact on my attitudes to all aspects of tree work.

There are some plants that live a long time some a very long time, and some well...........................

Earth's oldest living inhabitant "Methuselah" at 4,767 years, has lived more than a millennium longer than any other tree.

I could write much about how much we have gained just from the small amount of research that has been done on these most extraordinary trees..not least re-writing the geological time book!!

But go here NOVA Online | Methuselah Tree visit each section and absorb the magnitude of what these diminuative trees represent..they have outlasted all the civilisations that existed when they were saplings and chances are they'll out live ours too.

Also here Ancient Bristlecone Pine

Go here to read an excellent review of some of the emotion and heat connected to the events surrounding the discovery and damage to the oldest known tree on earth Oldest Living Tree Tells All, by Michael P. Cohen : Essays : Terrain.org

Eric Frei · 18th September 2007, 10:10 PM

Old as the hills is fitting for those tough guys!

Sean Freeman · 29th September 2007, 10:04 AM

Camperdown Elms

Because as some of you know I'm slightly nuts about trees with histroic links to us (people/society/history) it will come as no surprise that the suggestion that arguably one of the best avenues of elms in Australia was to be dismantled (albeit to be replanted) as the Elms had reached the end of their life span at 150yrs (

)did not impress me in the least.

Thankfully nor did it impress or convince a large and vocal portion of the Camperdown community along with Rob Galbraith (many of the Victorians will know Rob and his credentials).

Anyway I'm happy to read and report (hoping very much that the news reports are accurate in this!) that Corangamite Council have after a big public protest on Tuesday and lobbying over more than a year, decided to shelve the block replacement plans and reassess the trees in 5yrs.

Up untill Tuesday the council had rejected the opposing arguements for less destructive individual replacements over a much longer time frame

I don't know any of the activists invloved nor do I know if they even visit here, but I would like to congratulate them on their (reported) success in getting the council to see sense and retain the integrity of the avenue whilst still meeting their duty of care.

Eric Frei · 2nd October 2007, 02:20 PM

Are the trees failing? What exactly is the problem with the trees?

pomme · 3rd October 2007, 04:17 AM

lovely elms sadly a thing of the past in England except maybe in Brighton duch elm wiped them out.can they not start the re planting now in the gaps then the impact of any felling later would be lessened. just a thought

Sean Freeman · 3rd October 2007, 08:55 AM

This is the crux of the problem....one group are saying the trees are declining significantly and are at the end of their use life expectancy, and that now is the time to remove and replace, and the best option is to remove blocks of trees 5-10 at a time and replace so that over 20yrs the avenue is renewed (or well on the way). Now the second group (of which I am one from a distance!) argue that the trees are not in a terminal state and infact could with careful management continue to provide amenity for the next 50/100yrs...where individual trees are becoming a problem (more to do with inproper past practices than anything else) yes lets remove those few individual trees, and even stage those removals whilst establishing the replacement saplings. Dramatically reduce the visual impact on the avenue whilst managing the assessed risk and the inevitable impacts of advancing age in the trees.

There really are very few gaps and as always they are not in the locations where percieved problem trees are sited. Also we all accept that elm saplings do not like competition for light or soil resources...well thought out staged removals can provide adequate conditions for their establishment.

The biggest hurdle that the council have failed to negotiate here IMO is establishing a comprehensive engagement woth the wider community, and not just window dressing..."Yes your views have been hear very interesting now we'll go ahead with our original plans anyway!"....most communities are past the time when such attitudes would be accepted. I'm not suggesting its easy (though I do believe its easier than some LGAs make it!) and it does clash with the decision making structures within councils...top down, but it can ba done and has been done in many places in the world..including here in OZ!

Sean Freeman · 2nd November 2007, 06:38 PM

Many of us from all parts of the globe often bemoan the shortsightedness of councils or local authorities when it comes to tree care, planning and management

.
It is very refreshing and not a little invigorating to be able to describe the events occuring out at Hughenden Northwest Queensland.

A huge pat on the back for the Flinders Shire Council and one of their officers in particular Craig Tunley for the serious and committed approach they are taking to the preservation of one of the few significant trees left that have a direct link to the history of white exploration of our State.

Now there's a massive amount of info and a mountain of pics associated with the work we have been doing on this tree so it will probably require at least to posts.

Just so people know where abouts the place is here's a map blue dot marks the spot!

After the ill fated 1860 expedition of Robert O'Hara Burke and William John Wills went missing two different relief expeditions set out in search of the group of 16. The relief party led by Frederick Walker passed by the present site of Hughenden on 23 October 1861 and blazed (carved a marker of initials and date) this tree...the second relief party led by William Landsborough blazed this same tree in March 1862.
The tree would have to have been a significant specimen in the 1860's to be chosen as a marker, which leads to the estimated age of around 250yrs.

In the early 90's DPI visited the tree and undertook some rather unfortunate lopping and wound painting and termite treatment...drilling the tree and injecting it. Between then and 2006 when we visited the tree, very little had been done for it apart from a small monument detailing the same historical info, and kids putting a rope swing in its lower branches!

Explorers tree 2006

Following the report I wrote advising Flinders Shire to actively manage the health of the aging tree, with our help they applied for a grant from the little known State funding body in the Department of Public Works...the Community Memorials Restoration Program. They were successful in their application for funding to build a deck with railings to protect all of the soil and root environment inside the dripline of the tree.

Last week we travelled out to Hughenden to discuss with the council how best to proceed with the construction plan, whilst both treating and protecting the root and soil environment.

Explorers tree aka Josephine 2007 Stephen and Tim setting out protection fencing

I took the opportunity to set a line in the tree with cambium saver (of course) and do an aerial inspection of Josephine's canopy..Stephen also set a line.

I've still got that smile on my face about the climb and the buzz from being up close and personal with her.......

4th August 2007, 04:20 PM	#1
Sean Freeman Monument Status Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Townsville Nth Queensland & Gold Coast Sth Queensland Posts: 1,985	Significant Trees As I'm sure some of you know from my posts I have a few obsessions, beyond the general obsession about trees, one of which is ancient/historic/veteran/historic trees. I spend a fair bit of my time trawling the net and physically travelling around my region finding such trees (BTW very few where I actually live) so am always surprised and interested when I come across examples. Had a conversation with treeseer not long ago about how I often wish trees were more sensitive to the damage we inflict on them, as then perhaps we as a community would treat trees with a fraction of the care we apply to roses or orchids!! So when I came across the example of the Tree Of Life near Bahrain I thought I would use it as a starter for this thread about significant trees........ The Tree of Life : Shajarat al-Hayah is a 400-year old mesquite tree in Bahrain which is considered a natural wonder. This unique tree stands alone in the desert about 1.2 miles (two kilometers) from the Jebel Dukhan. The source of water for this tree still remains a mystery, and this is still the case in a country where drilling exploration has revealed much of the geological mysteries hidden from the surface. I'm not suggesting anything mystical just that this mesquite has access to water that has not been located, they'll do that trees! Here's a map with the location (roughly) shown in red..can't give you a satellite shot since I don't pay google for that right.. So what you can do is bring up google maps on your pc then find Bahrain, zoom into the rough area and click satellite and zoom on in..you'll find the tree easily!! Here's some shot taken through 2002-2005 Attached Thumbnails

4th August 2007, 05:03 PM	#2
Eric Frei Admin - Razor sharp and independent 2 X Diploma Level 5 qualified arborist Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,811	If you have Google Earth you can type in tree of life and it takes you straight there with 2 more pics and a link to their forum where it gets a mention. It is a wonder that it's there, for that long! You'd wonder about shifting sands burying or exposing it over that time. __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

5th August 2007, 11:28 AM	#3
Sean Freeman Monument Status Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Townsville Nth Queensland & Gold Coast Sth Queensland Posts: 1,985	Some parts of the world have more than their fair share of historic and veteran trees Scotland for example...just greedy if you ask me, so many check this site for a good list and the means to buy the book form the Forestry Commission of Scotland http://www.treefestscotland.org.uk/forestry/INFD-6TVJZF I'll pick just one, I love trees that swallow stuff!! In the small village of Brig o'Turk (great name!) is a 100yr old sycamore Acer pseudoplatanus that has swallowed a bicycle. Attached Thumbnails

5th August 2007, 11:50 AM	#5
Sean Freeman Monument Status Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Townsville Nth Queensland & Gold Coast Sth Queensland Posts: 1,985	You'd just love to be able to trace the roots down through the soil/sand and find just what kind of moisture levels exist and where...rather like the older trees out west here I suspect that it would have seasonal associations with fungi to be able to effectively draw in soil resources. Here's a better bike eating tree from the USA Vashon Island Washington Attached Thumbnails

5th August 2007, 12:03 PM	#6
Sean Freeman Monument Status Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Townsville Nth Queensland & Gold Coast Sth Queensland Posts: 1,985	Here's one for all the Southern Queenslanders a giant camphor Cinnamomum camphora laurel in Takeo city Japan There's a website for potential tourists http://www.pref.saga.lg.jp/at-conten...i073/index.htm Maybe some of the local councils down your way should push the tourist angle on your camphors Ekka!! Attached Thumbnails

5th August 2007, 11:37 AM	#4
Hili Sappling Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Melbourne Posts: 34	Very interesting boa, that mesquite tree is amazing. It would be great to give it a visit

5th August 2007, 12:59 PM	#7
JohN Dee Moderator Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Climbing around the world Posts: 855	Great thread Boa, that is one HUGE friggen Camphor'... They're a huge weed/pest down here. Been a HEAP of court cases where these trees have been removed off private land by the local council(s). That tree of life sure does look good! I cant get my google earth working to look at it. __________________ We are what we repeatedly do... Excellence then, is not an act, but HABIT... Red : Green : Blue

5th August 2007, 02:00 PM	#8
Sean Freeman Monument Status Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Townsville Nth Queensland & Gold Coast Sth Queensland Posts: 1,985	This is one of the oddest stories I've come across Decatur County Courthouse built in 1870 soon showed the presence of some sapling growing out of the roofing, so they cut them out (as you would) but then in 1875 another sapling appears growing away and this time is left till 1929 (1929!!! what did all the roofers go on strike WTF???) Anyhow in 29' this small tree dies only to be replaced by more saplings in the roof, so and so on and so on...don't believe me..... It really is wierd, now they even have a festival, tourists come from all over to see the tree...check here to view a range of photos from the 1890's onwards http://my.voyager.net/~mfhaston/GreensburgIN.html Really is the strangest thing...so next time you see a crap roofing job think on maybe the plumber is just trying to get another tourist attraction started! Attached Thumbnails

5th August 2007, 08:00 PM	#9
Steve Tipton Over mature heritage tree Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Sydney Posts: 823	Hi Boa, A book you would enjoy is "MEETINGS WITH REMARKABLE TREES" by Thomas Pakenhan, published by Phoenix Illustrated, Orion Publishing Group, 5 Upper St. Martins Lane LondonWC2H 9EA. Great pics of ancient trees in UK, Europe and Asia. First pubished by George Weidenfield and Nicholson Ltd. Steve

5th August 2007, 08:25 PM	#10
Eric Frei Admin - Razor sharp and independent 2 X Diploma Level 5 qualified arborist Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,811	Tree of Knowledge Barcaldine Australia Well, I'd like to add a significant tree story pertaining to Australian politics. Back in 1890 era it's alleged but not proven that the Australian Labor Party was born after a shearers strike under the shade of a ghost gum in Barcaldine, now historically known as The Tree of Knowledge. However around May 2006 the tree had a large amount of weed killer poured onto it's roots (30 litres) and had a long struggle as people tried to save it. However on 3 October 2006 the tree was officially pronounced dead. In an effort to preserve the tree, it was uprooted and transported to Brisbane 29 July 2007 Tree of Knowledge poisoned : ABC Western Queensland 'Tree of Knowledge' cuttings sales unlikely. 04/10/2006. ABC News Online Tree of Knowledge uprooted \| The Courier-Mail The irony is the current Labor premier for Queensland went to Barcaldine to hold a farewell service and donate $1.4million for a memorial centre, he was greeted by 500 angry protesters who threw water filled projectiles at him in the middle of a drought. They were protesting about the recent council amalgamations in Queensland. Premier Beattie said, "Isn't it great to see (that spirit) is not dead," he said amidst the shouts. Attached Thumbnails __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

5th August 2007, 09:49 PM	#11
Drouin Tree Service Veteran Heritage Status Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 1,696	Angkor Wat... Cambodia Attached Thumbnails __________________ Drouin Tree Services \| Excavator Hire - Drouin and SE Gippsland \| Landclearing Melbourne

5th August 2007, 09:57 PM	#12
Drouin Tree Service Veteran Heritage Status Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 1,696	Tree thats seen it all,taken from http://www.kiddofspeed.com/default.htm Backdrop is cherynobyl nuclear reactor. Attached Thumbnails __________________ Drouin Tree Services \| Excavator Hire - Drouin and SE Gippsland \| Landclearing Melbourne

5th August 2007, 10:47 PM	#13
Sean Freeman Monument Status Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Townsville Nth Queensland & Gold Coast Sth Queensland Posts: 1,985	Those pics from Angkor Wat are a powerful reminder of the relentless pressure from nature...you know the city of Angkor was a bustling metropolis when London was just a mucky village, but given half a chance and the forest will take back the land it once held. The tropics accelerate that process for sure. The pic near Chernobyl I've not seen before thats really strong maybe because its B&W or maybe its more the subject matter...whatever the reason its a good one, it moves you in some way just looking at it.

5th August 2007, 10:50 PM	#14
Sean Freeman Monument Status Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Townsville Nth Queensland & Gold Coast Sth Queensland Posts: 1,985	The whole Tree of Knowledge debacle makes me angry Ekka, it epitomises all thats wrong about the management of our urban forest and worse the lack of respect and significance we as a community give to our past.....something I'm still getting my head around about Oz even after 20yrs here, its something I intend to change BTW.

18th September 2007, 02:32 PM	#15
Sean Freeman Monument Status Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Townsville Nth Queensland & Gold Coast Sth Queensland Posts: 1,985	Re: Significant Trees We have a fair bit as a species to learn from the trees, and the significant trees that occupy such a big part of my thoughts impact on my attitudes to all aspects of tree work. There are some plants that live a long time some a very long time, and some well........................... Earth's oldest living inhabitant "Methuselah" at 4,767 years, has lived more than a millennium longer than any other tree. I could write much about how much we have gained just from the small amount of research that has been done on these most extraordinary trees..not least re-writing the geological time book!! But go here NOVA Online \| Methuselah Tree visit each section and absorb the magnitude of what these diminuative trees represent..they have outlasted all the civilisations that existed when they were saplings and chances are they'll out live ours too. Also here Ancient Bristlecone Pine Go here to read an excellent review of some of the emotion and heat connected to the events surrounding the discovery and damage to the oldest known tree on earth Oldest Living Tree Tells All, by Michael P. Cohen : Essays : Terrain.org Attached Thumbnails Last edited by Sean Freeman; 18th September 2007 at 03:05 PM. Reason: addition of article link

2nd December 2007, 04:23 PM	#24
newguy18 Part of the Furniture Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: orlando,fl Posts: 4,977	Re: Significant Trees Nice pics.the tree growing on the roof was wild to see. __________________ Have your say join us today. old schooler

18th September 2007, 10:10 PM	#16
Eric Frei Admin - Razor sharp and independent 2 X Diploma Level 5 qualified arborist Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,811	Re: Significant Trees Old as the hills is fitting for those tough guys! __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

2nd October 2007, 02:20 PM	#18
Eric Frei Admin - Razor sharp and independent 2 X Diploma Level 5 qualified arborist Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,811	Re: Significant Trees Are the trees failing? What exactly is the problem with the trees? __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

3rd October 2007, 04:17 AM	#19
pomme Mature tree Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: england Posts: 251	Re: Significant Trees lovely elms sadly a thing of the past in England except maybe in Brighton duch elm wiped them out.can they not start the re planting now in the gaps then the impact of any felling later would be lessened. just a thought

3rd October 2007, 08:55 AM	#20
Sean Freeman Monument Status Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Townsville Nth Queensland & Gold Coast Sth Queensland Posts: 1,985	Re: Significant Trees This is the crux of the problem....one group are saying the trees are declining significantly and are at the end of their use life expectancy, and that now is the time to remove and replace, and the best option is to remove blocks of trees 5-10 at a time and replace so that over 20yrs the avenue is renewed (or well on the way). Now the second group (of which I am one from a distance!) argue that the trees are not in a terminal state and infact could with careful management continue to provide amenity for the next 50/100yrs...where individual trees are becoming a problem (more to do with inproper past practices than anything else) yes lets remove those few individual trees, and even stage those removals whilst establishing the replacement saplings. Dramatically reduce the visual impact on the avenue whilst managing the assessed risk and the inevitable impacts of advancing age in the trees. There really are very few gaps and as always they are not in the locations where percieved problem trees are sited. Also we all accept that elm saplings do not like competition for light or soil resources...well thought out staged removals can provide adequate conditions for their establishment. The biggest hurdle that the council have failed to negotiate here IMO is establishing a comprehensive engagement woth the wider community, and not just window dressing..."Yes your views have been hear very interesting now we'll go ahead with our original plans anyway!"....most communities are past the time when such attitudes would be accepted. I'm not suggesting its easy (though I do believe its easier than some LGAs make it!) and it does clash with the decision making structures within councils...top down, but it can ba done and has been done in many places in the world..including here in OZ!

24th November 2007, 04:37 PM	#22
philinsydney Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Sydney Posts: 110	Re: Significant Trees This one is thought to be the tallest tree in NSW: it is a 76m flooded gum (E. grandis) Apologies to those who have seen it on other sites.

24th November 2007, 05:15 PM	#23
Eric Frei Admin - Razor sharp and independent 2 X Diploma Level 5 qualified arborist Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,811	Re: Significant Trees Yeah that's a decent flooded gum, we got some big ones up here in the Lamington National Park, dunno the size but BIG. That's 250 feet ya got there mate, nice. __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

3rd December 2007, 10:12 AM	#25
DRANO Sappling Join Date: May 2007 Location: VERMONT Posts: 19	Re: Significant Trees well i know have another tree hobby!!!!thanks for all these pics and thank you for finding my bike i parked it beside that tree along long time ago!!and the tree in bahrain i think its the same one i climbed when the taxi took us sailors to the tent city they set up just for us!!i dont want to explain what 6 drunk sailors would take a cab 15 miles into the dessert for!!o well we were young!!and 6 months at sea will do that to you..hope all are well!!happy holiday season to all DRANO

13th January 2008, 12:24 PM	#27
RandyMac Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: NW California Posts: 86	Re: Significant Trees The Council Madrone has Fallen We used to stop and see this Madrone everytime we had the chance. I saw it way back before it started to actively shed limbs. My Uncle snagged a branch shortly after it fell, it is still growing.

13th January 2008, 12:43 PM	#28
newguy18 Part of the Furniture Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: orlando,fl Posts: 4,977	Re: Significant Trees looks like it was a real nice tree at one time. __________________ Have your say join us today. old schooler

13th January 2008, 01:38 PM	#29
Sean Freeman Monument Status Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Townsville Nth Queensland & Gold Coast Sth Queensland Posts: 1,985	Re: Significant Trees Well its very sobering to see when an ancient tree finally fails particularly when it happens suddenly in a storm say. Do you know if any shoots did appear from the root system? It would be a pity if noone had tried to take cuttings from the original tree before that failure. It is often a task eagerly taken on by University or college hort depts, something as Arbs we should encourage them to do, very long lived trees always have some genetic advantage over the hundreds and thousands of related trees that did not survive so long. Thanks for the article, it was as Newguy said a very impressive tree

18th February 2008, 02:47 PM	#30
dguntertrees Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Mudgeeraba, SE Queensland Posts: 80	Re: Significant Trees Sean, I am with you all the way re: veteran trees, and I know numerous others around this great brown land who feel the same way (Cass for one). So, whadda ya wanna do about it? Hopefully, attached are some pics from Ankor Wat in Cambodia. amate just got back from there...don't need gpr for these roots! Attached Thumbnails

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