Significant Trees

Durandal · 29th March 2008, 09:16 AM

12 of the most magnificent trees in the world.

I'd hate to have to try taking down one of those baobab trees.

funarty · 30th March 2008, 04:45 AM

How fantastic ! I only wish there were more of the oldies

Sean Freeman · 17th April 2008, 05:52 PM

Just a quick post (very tired) tree longevity never ceases to astound me, even if the clonal nature of the new stems take some thinking to get your head around...a 9000yrs old root stock!

Oldest Living Tree Found in Sweden

Ekka · 20th April 2008, 01:31 AM

That was a good read, the darn thing dies but shoots another off roots, they dated the root stock.

Argument is that the tree itself isn't that old, especially if counting rings.

Did you read this? Australia could have the oldest, we had the tallest once too but you know, the Tasmanians cut it down, then recently they burned another large one ... dont let them know about this one then.

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Research suggests that stands of Huon pines on the Australian island of Tasmania possibly date back more than 10,000 years.

Also another thread running here on oldest tree.
Oldest tree in the World

TrevMcRev · 20th April 2008, 02:40 AM

Interesting find Sean

Durandal · 20th April 2008, 06:58 AM

If we include clonal trees than the christmas tree isn't even close to Pando in age, size and weight, unless you don't count organisms with multiple stems as a tree, which by the looks of things would exclude the swedish tree.

Ekka · 2nd May 2008, 03:47 PM

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Well, I'd like to add a significant tree story pertaining to Australian politics.

Back in 1890 era it's alleged but not proven that the Australian Labor Party was born after a shearers strike under the shade of a ghost gum in Barcaldine, now historically known as The Tree of Knowledge.

However around May 2006 the tree had a large amount of weed killer poured onto it's roots (30 litres) and had a long struggle as people tried to save it.

However on 3 October 2006 the tree was officially pronounced dead.

In an effort to preserve the tree, it was uprooted and transported to Brisbane 29 July 2007

Tree of Knowledge poisoned : ABC Western Queensland
'Tree of Knowledge' cuttings sales unlikely. 04/10/2006. ABC News Online
Tree of Knowledge uprooted | The Courier-Mail

The irony is the current Labor premier for Queensland went to Barcaldine to hold a farewell service and donate $1.4million for a memorial centre, he was greeted by 500 angry protesters who threw water filled projectiles at him in the middle of a drought. They were protesting about the recent council amalgamations in Queensland.

Premier Beattie said, "Isn't it great to see (that spirit) is not dead," he said amidst the shouts.

Tree of Knowledge has babies | The Australian

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May 02, 2008

THE historic Tree of Knowledge will be returned to the central-west Queensland town of Barcaldine on the Labour Day public holiday, in the form of 35 clones and cuttings.
The 160-year-old ghost gum, regarded as the birthplace of the Australian Labor Party, was mysteriously poisoned in 2006, prompting a rescue operation to preserve it.

Since last year, Department of Primary Industries' scientists have been preserving the original tree and generating clones and cuttings.

The smaller versions of the tree, produced from a young shoot of the original taken in 1991, will be presented to Barcaldine Regional Council at Monday's Labour Day march.

Primary Industries Minister Tim Mulherin said he was pleased the tree could live on through scientific know-how.

Treatment of the original tree would continue for several more months, before it was returned to a "resting place" in Barcaldine.

"The seven-metre-high trunk and branches are being chemically treated to protect against insect attack in a process that is hailed as the first of its type in Australia, and possibly the world," Mr Mulherin said.

In Brisbane, the Labour Day march will begin at 10am in Wharf and Turbot streets, and end at the RNA showgrounds with a family barbecue.

This year's theme is "Your rights at work, worth joining for".

Amazing what is spent on a dead tree!

Ekka · 2nd May 2008, 04:57 PM

Stanley Park's Hollow Tree listed as 'monument'

stanley park hollow tree - Google Image Search

Another tree that the local authority wants to cut down however it's now considered a monument and efforts being made to preserve/save it somehow.

Seems humans are yet to truly grasp the finite thing called life. Has a beginning and an end ... end of story.

I reckon, cut it down, use it as you like. Thing about trees is they can be useful when dead ... furniture, instruments, buildings, ornaments etc. Could always build a replica I suppose if a shrine is how you like to remember the past.

However, in a hundred years time the current generation would have died out too so who'd really care?

Think about it, how many of you right now reading this can recall a tree, that is dead, and for some reason or other care, that did not die during you life span.

The allocation of resources to such things is emotional and illogical.... it is the cycle of life, and for some bizaar reason when the end of that cycle is near the $'s allocated to terminal condition is bloody irrational.

funarty · 2nd May 2008, 08:43 PM

Ah some people just love wasting money ,maybe they have too much!

treeseer · 2nd May 2008, 08:47 PM

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the finite thing called life. Has a beginning and an end ... end of story.... $'s allocated to terminal condition is bloody irrational.

What does "end" and "terminal condition" mean?

funarty · 2nd May 2008, 08:51 PM

Fineto,nothing can be done to stop it dieing like cancer

It's coming to an end ....dead

Ekka · 3rd May 2008, 12:59 AM

Terminal meaning death, end meaning dead.

It's show over, dead or darn close to it, generally irreversible.

Another example but not so bad is the Anne Frank tree. But that one is a bit different coz it's large and there's targets about.

Stanley Park Hollow Tree in Vancouver is a 13m tall dead stump!

The Tree of Knowledge is dead. I say use the money on other trees and get a grip on death. They "cloned" the tree of knowledge though, big deal, so does most nurseries when they strike cuttings. Also seed banks are around. Not as though it was a rare and endangered or extinct species that needs mummification for a museum.

Sean Freeman · 3rd May 2008, 03:55 AM

There is a great deal of difference qualitatively between striking cuttings from varietal hybrids in a commercial context and the cloning of individual specimens that have by their unique genetic make up been able to out live all their peers, despite the best efforts of us to create an environment completely inimical to their survival.

It is very important and worthwhile to propogate such specimens, and frankly more of it should be done.

Its kind of sad that you don't grasp the relevance of preserving physical markers of your own cultural history, but if you don't then you don't I guess....Thankfully there are enough people who do recognise the importance of what went before, of seeing ourselves as part of a historical process (good and bad) not with a simple objective or destination...(no teleology here!) but the journey does have lessons for us, I think some we should pay attention too..but thats just me.

Finding beauty and recognising worth in veteran trees is a means to help the general community to move toward recognising the worth of all flora, and fauna.....its very Qld to think what does it matter we can just plant another it'll grow quick enough.

treeseer · 3rd May 2008, 06:19 AM

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Thankfully there are enough people who do recognise the importance of what went before, of seeing ourselves as part of a historical process (good and bad) not with a simple objective or destination...(no teleology here!) but the journey does have lessons for us, I think some we should pay attention too..but thats just me.

You are far from alone on this. American Forests: National Register of Big Trees

"dead or darn close to it, generally irreversible."

Eric, you substitute one vague and subjective phrase for another, not close to a definition, sounds more like just frei's opinion of when impatience rules.

"nothing can be done to stop it dieing like cancer"

funarty, I was diagnosed with blood cancer--leukemia-- 6 years ago. I'm glad I found an oncologist who thought something could be done. Something can always be done.

But is it always worthwhile? Of course not. I look at the expense of that cage around the Anne Frank tree, and think of that money spent on tree care and planting.

Ekka · 3rd May 2008, 02:40 PM

Dont make mountains out of mole hills, the trees are dead, CAPICHE'! Get over it.

Call it what you like, Freemanism and Meilleurism extremities need to be kept in check as emotions can hinder comprehension.

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Its kind of sad that you don't grasp the relevance of preserving physical markers of your own cultural history

Bullshit, I did say

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Could always build a replica I suppose if a shrine is how you like to remember the past.

Markers, including rocks and stone are used to this day for many historic purposes, doesn't mean spend $1million dollars mummifying a tree like the Tree of Knowledge.

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Eric, you substitute one vague and subjective phrase for another, not close to a definition, sounds more like just frei's opinion of when impatience rules.

Impatience rules what, the bloody things are both dead. Perhaps you're an indecisive procrastinator. The things are dead and being or have to be dealt with ... some just get on with it quicker than others. In the case of the hollow tree they want to get on with it but an 11th hour intervention is preventing it.... the hazard remains though.

Both of these trees are dead. Both in their locations were/are a hazard and had work done but now have to go.

Options were provided as shown above.

So the fact that you dont know what to do about marking history means holding up the removal of a hazard? Seems to me you're failing in your role.

And Sean, you may want to update the Wiki page on cloning/striking as there seems little difference.

Cutting (plant) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

MrsEkka · 3rd May 2008, 03:42 PM

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Durandal Gettin' motoring Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Detroit Posts: 13	Re: Significant Trees 12 of the most magnificent trees in the world. I'd hate to have to try taking down one of those baobab trees. Last edited by Durandal : 29th March 2008 at 10:28 AM.

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funarty Cruisin' Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: townsville Q.L.D. Australia Posts: 68	Re: Significant Trees How fantastic ! I only wish there were more of the oldies

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Sean Freeman PDF King & Arborist Extrodinaire Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Townsville Nth Queensland & Gold Coast Sth Queensland Posts: 1,521	Re: Significant Trees Just a quick post (very tired) tree longevity never ceases to astound me, even if the clonal nature of the new stems take some thinking to get your head around...a 9000yrs old root stock! Oldest Living Tree Found in Sweden __________________ Sean Trees are poems that earth writes upon the sky, We fell them down and turn them into paper, That we may record our emptiness. - Kahlil Gibran

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TrevMcRev Astronaut Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Melbourne, Victoria, Australia. Posts: 670	Re: Significant Trees Interesting find Sean __________________ Melbourne Arborist, Total Tree Care, Pruning, Tree and Stump Removal

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Durandal Gettin' motoring Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Detroit Posts: 13	Re: Significant Trees If we include clonal trees than the christmas tree isn't even close to Pando in age, size and weight, unless you don't count organisms with multiple stems as a tree, which by the looks of things would exclude the swedish tree. __________________ Fixed gear bikes, because REAL cyclists don't need gears.

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Ekka Eric Frei Administrator - Brisbane L5 (Dip) Hort Cert III Arb + some Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 5,663	Stanley Park Vancouver Hollow Tree Stanley Park's Hollow Tree listed as 'monument' stanley park hollow tree - Google Image Search Another tree that the local authority wants to cut down however it's now considered a monument and efforts being made to preserve/save it somehow. Seems humans are yet to truly grasp the finite thing called life. Has a beginning and an end ... end of story. I reckon, cut it down, use it as you like. Thing about trees is they can be useful when dead ... furniture, instruments, buildings, ornaments etc. Could always build a replica I suppose if a shrine is how you like to remember the past. However, in a hundred years time the current generation would have died out too so who'd really care? Think about it, how many of you right now reading this can recall a tree, that is dead, and for some reason or other care, that did not die during you life span. The allocation of resources to such things is emotional and illogical.... it is the cycle of life, and for some bizaar reason when the end of that cycle is near the $'s allocated to terminal condition is bloody irrational. __________________ Remember to use the "search" function, if you have answers/questions post them so everyone can benefit. Free Tree and Green Industry Link Directory Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping Brisbane Tree Care, Consultations and Arborist Reports Forum Sponsors

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funarty Cruisin' Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: townsville Q.L.D. Australia Posts: 68	Re: Significant Trees Ah some people just love wasting money ,maybe they have too much!

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funarty Cruisin' Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: townsville Q.L.D. Australia Posts: 68	Re: Significant Trees Fineto,nothing can be done to stop it dieing like cancerIt's coming to an end ....dead

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Sean Freeman PDF King & Arborist Extrodinaire Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Townsville Nth Queensland & Gold Coast Sth Queensland Posts: 1,521	Re: Significant Trees There is a great deal of difference qualitatively between striking cuttings from varietal hybrids in a commercial context and the cloning of individual specimens that have by their unique genetic make up been able to out live all their peers, despite the best efforts of us to create an environment completely inimical to their survival. It is very important and worthwhile to propogate such specimens, and frankly more of it should be done. Its kind of sad that you don't grasp the relevance of preserving physical markers of your own cultural history, but if you don't then you don't I guess....Thankfully there are enough people who do recognise the importance of what went before, of seeing ourselves as part of a historical process (good and bad) not with a simple objective or destination...(no teleology here!) but the journey does have lessons for us, I think some we should pay attention too..but thats just me. Finding beauty and recognising worth in veteran trees is a means to help the general community to move toward recognising the worth of all flora, and fauna.....its very Qld to think what does it matter we can just plant another it'll grow quick enough. __________________ Sean Trees are poems that earth writes upon the sky, We fell them down and turn them into paper, That we may record our emptiness. - Kahlil Gibran