Roadside tree analysis| BCC

Eric Frei · 8th June 2009, 06:35 PM

Was driving around and noticed a honking fruiting body sticking out of this ironbark, so pulled over and had a better look.

Tree is on the corner of http://maps.google.com.au/maps?hl=en&rlz=1B3MOZA_enAU325AU325&q=bapaume%20road%20holland%20park&cts=1244441026005&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wl.

Canopy has plenty of die back with remainder being perhaps 50% density.

Fruiting bodies around the tree

Largest facing road side

Smaller ones near base facing footpath

Anyone confident to ID the fruiting bodies? Looks like Phellinus robusta to me.

Garry Brockley · 8th June 2009, 07:00 PM

That was my first thought too, that tree needs tomography urgently then maybe a 446 treatment.

Sean Freeman · 8th June 2009, 07:08 PM

Sure looks a lot like Phellinus robustus, but without absolute certainty all you can say is it is Phellinus sp.

It really doesn't make all that much difference in terms of the pathology (it certainly seems to be acting as a stem canker)...whether it is P robustus or P badius.

Eric Frei · 8th June 2009, 07:10 PM

Bad location for a removal, round-a-bout, power wires etc .... it's a busy place that intersection. It'll be traffic control and a 3 hour time slot middle of the day or weekend. Due to proximity of other trees the stump grind will have to be just a lick off the top.

How long before the fungi spreads to the other trees?

Jeff Darby · 8th June 2009, 07:19 PM

hmmm, could be, Ganoderma applanatum,?? I.D, Field guide to Australian Fungi
by Bruce Fuhrer, pg 253 if you have this book take a look ?

Sean Freeman · 8th June 2009, 07:21 PM

Thats almost impossible to say Eric, three main factors influence the interaction between host trees and decay fungi:

1.The environment...microbial growth conditions
2.Host...susceptability of wood tissues
3.Decay fungi...the inoculum potential

If any of these conditions are not conducive to the growth of the fungi then it just won't happen at a pace that would be obvious to us.

That being said highly likelty that there are similar problems in the adjacent tree on the other side of the path. Let the VTA symptoms inform your assessment and be systematic and rigorous if you are writing anything down.

Long term things don't look great for that tree.

Sean Freeman · 8th June 2009, 07:23 PM

That is a good book JayD, but it certainly does not have any of the key characteristics that I would expect in the fruiting body of Ganoderma applanatum

Eric Frei · 8th June 2009, 07:48 PM

JayD,

Ganoderma is way different underneath, sort of whitish and you can write your name etc, called the artists conk or something like that. Also it's flatter, this is more bull nose shaped.... got that idea from the bull nosed verandah

Jeff Darby · 8th June 2009, 07:54 PM

Ok, no dramas, just putting 0.2 cents worth in, you all seem to know what it is anyway all I did was refer to my fungi book and there was not much differance between the two.
I also googled it and P.robustus was all over the shop on appearance.

Sean Freeman · 8th June 2009, 08:52 PM

JayD the internet is very bad for providing reliable visual id for the fungi we find in Qld and Nth NSW, or indeed many of the other states/territories.

Two very good books are 'An introduction to fungi on wood in Queensland' Ian Hood, and 'Fungi out West' Chinchilla Field Naturalists.

Also if you have the passion join FungiMap based in Vic (or rather started in Vic no across the nation almost) Australia's Fungimap - Welcome to Fungimap

treerep · 1st September 2009, 03:17 AM

The tell tale will be in the scleretal socks within the root system if it is in fact Phelinus spp. The infection to adjacent trees is soley dependent on individual tree vigour and certainly not a conventional idea that this can be spread throughout all adjoining trees. The likelihood is great that all trees within a vicinty to be affected are high but this does not preclude cultural practices and a trees natural genetic ability to withstain.

Eric Frei · 1st September 2009, 07:59 AM

It's a stump standing there now, maybe 10' high waiting to be finished off.

Unless the removal/grind crew inform us or take pics we'll be none the wiser as to what it was like.

8th June 2009, 06:35 PM	#1
Eric Frei Admin - Razor sharp and independent 2 X Diploma Level 5 qualified arborist Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,811	Roadside tree analysis\| BCC Was driving around and noticed a honking fruiting body sticking out of this ironbark, so pulled over and had a better look. Tree is on the corner of http://maps.google.com.au/maps?hl=en&rlz=1B3MOZA_enAU325AU325&q=bapaume%20road%20holland%20park&cts=1244441026005&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wl. Canopy has plenty of die back with remainder being perhaps 50% density. Fruiting bodies around the tree Largest facing road side Smaller ones near base facing footpath Anyone confident to ID the fruiting bodies? Looks like Phellinus robusta to me. Attached Thumbnails __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

8th June 2009, 07:00 PM	#2
Garry Brockley Bayside Tree Care Brisbane Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Brisbane Aus Posts: 1,649	Re: Roadside tree analysis\| BCC That was my first thought too, that tree needs tomography urgently then maybe a 446 treatment. __________________ My business:- Brisbane Bayside Tree Care

8th June 2009, 07:08 PM	#3
Sean Freeman Monument Status Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Townsville Nth Queensland & Gold Coast Sth Queensland Posts: 1,985	Re: Roadside tree analysis\| BCC Sure looks a lot like Phellinus robustus, but without absolute certainty all you can say is it is Phellinus sp. It really doesn't make all that much difference in terms of the pathology (it certainly seems to be acting as a stem canker)...whether it is P robustus or P badius.

8th June 2009, 07:10 PM	#4
Eric Frei Admin - Razor sharp and independent 2 X Diploma Level 5 qualified arborist Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,811	Re: Roadside tree analysis\| BCC Bad location for a removal, round-a-bout, power wires etc .... it's a busy place that intersection. It'll be traffic control and a 3 hour time slot middle of the day or weekend. Due to proximity of other trees the stump grind will have to be just a lick off the top. How long before the fungi spreads to the other trees? __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

8th June 2009, 07:19 PM	#5
Jeff Darby Moderator - Previously known as JayD Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: TreeWorld, Sydney Australia Posts: 2,029	Re: Roadside tree analysis\| BCC hmmm, could be, Ganoderma applanatum,?? I.D, Field guide to Australian Fungi by Bruce Fuhrer, pg 253 if you have this book take a look ? __________________ Member: Australian Tree Association Join the Australian Tree Association...Have your voice heard ! Arboriculture, A life long study for some, a passing phase for others © Jeffrey J Darby 2011

8th June 2009, 07:21 PM	#6
Sean Freeman Monument Status Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Townsville Nth Queensland & Gold Coast Sth Queensland Posts: 1,985	Re: Roadside tree analysis\| BCC Thats almost impossible to say Eric, three main factors influence the interaction between host trees and decay fungi: 1.The environment...microbial growth conditions 2.Host...susceptability of wood tissues 3.Decay fungi...the inoculum potential If any of these conditions are not conducive to the growth of the fungi then it just won't happen at a pace that would be obvious to us. That being said highly likelty that there are similar problems in the adjacent tree on the other side of the path. Let the VTA symptoms inform your assessment and be systematic and rigorous if you are writing anything down. Long term things don't look great for that tree.

8th June 2009, 07:23 PM	#7
Sean Freeman Monument Status Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Townsville Nth Queensland & Gold Coast Sth Queensland Posts: 1,985	Re: Roadside tree analysis\| BCC That is a good book JayD, but it certainly does not have any of the key characteristics that I would expect in the fruiting body of Ganoderma applanatum

8th June 2009, 07:48 PM	#8
Eric Frei Admin - Razor sharp and independent 2 X Diploma Level 5 qualified arborist Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,811	Re: Roadside tree analysis\| BCC JayD, Ganoderma is way different underneath, sort of whitish and you can write your name etc, called the artists conk or something like that. Also it's flatter, this is more bull nose shaped.... got that idea from the bull nosed verandah __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

8th June 2009, 07:54 PM	#9
Jeff Darby Moderator - Previously known as JayD Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: TreeWorld, Sydney Australia Posts: 2,029	Re: Roadside tree analysis\| BCC Ok, no dramas, just putting 0.2 cents worth in, you all seem to know what it is anyway all I did was refer to my fungi book and there was not much differance between the two. I also googled it and P.robustus was all over the shop on appearance. __________________ Member: Australian Tree Association Join the Australian Tree Association...Have your voice heard ! Arboriculture, A life long study for some, a passing phase for others © Jeffrey J Darby 2011

8th June 2009, 08:52 PM	#10
Sean Freeman Monument Status Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Townsville Nth Queensland & Gold Coast Sth Queensland Posts: 1,985	Re: Roadside tree analysis\| BCC JayD the internet is very bad for providing reliable visual id for the fungi we find in Qld and Nth NSW, or indeed many of the other states/territories. Two very good books are 'An introduction to fungi on wood in Queensland' Ian Hood, and 'Fungi out West' Chinchilla Field Naturalists. Also if you have the passion join FungiMap based in Vic (or rather started in Vic no across the nation almost) Australia's Fungimap - Welcome to Fungimap

1st September 2009, 03:17 AM	#11
treerep Sappling Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: sunshine coast Posts: 9	Re: Roadside tree analysis\| BCC The tell tale will be in the scleretal socks within the root system if it is in fact Phelinus spp. The infection to adjacent trees is soley dependent on individual tree vigour and certainly not a conventional idea that this can be spread throughout all adjoining trees. The likelihood is great that all trees within a vicinty to be affected are high but this does not preclude cultural practices and a trees natural genetic ability to withstain.

1st September 2009, 07:59 AM	#12
Eric Frei Admin - Razor sharp and independent 2 X Diploma Level 5 qualified arborist Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,811	Re: Roadside tree analysis\| BCC It's a stump standing there now, maybe 10' high waiting to be finished off. Unless the removal/grind crew inform us or take pics we'll be none the wiser as to what it was like. __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

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