Request for advice on starting A tree Bus

JayD · 17th March 2007, 09:25 PM

Hi All,
Just lifted this from another site,(hope no one gets upset over it as it was not my intension to upset anyone) This bloke want advice on starting a Tree Business,would you give him advice??...I mean you cant blame the man for wanting to have a go but,2 saws,read a book and away we go QUOTE [ i was wondering if anyone would give me some advice on starting a tree care service? i have read the books the fundamentals of general tree work the tree climbers companion, and the isa offici arborist study guide. i know how to take wraps to rig a limb or secetion of tree,i know how to climb and how to make proper pruning cuts.i figured i would do the climbing myself because i enjoy it.i also figured on doing it all my self for a couple of years until a friend of mine told me it was illegal to do it that way. is that true? i have a back belt not a saddle i also have 2 chainsaws. a husqvarna 141 and a husqvarna 51. if anyone would take the time to give me some advice i would greatly appreciate it.]....all he left out was his wheelbarrow,but this is what we are up against here aswell.1st place to start 1/do an aproved course of study in Arboriculture,the rest will come.( names removed)
What do you think??

Sean Freeman · 17th March 2007, 11:12 PM

Are you sure it was legit?

If he read the ISA Arb Cert study guide he either skipped the chapters on safety and climbing and working in trees or they had been ripped out, if he actually read them i doubt he'd be asking most of those questions...I'd be strongly hoping that the thread was a wind up, Ekka had a very similar (too similar?) thread here, have to suspect the work of trolls.

Sean

JayD · 18th March 2007, 01:23 AM

Hi Boa07,
I just re-read the original post where this came from and although it doesn't fit in with the subject being discussed it seems legit, The author is a young farm hand??but hey if it proves to be a wind up Ekka will no dout remove this thread,but it still fits into the mentality of some of these shotgun operators,a saw ,a wheelbarrow,and a hope and a prayer.Apart from suggest he does an aproved course in arb I would not say anything more??
All The Best
JayD

Ekka · 18th March 2007, 01:45 AM

I'd say this sort of thread would be happening almost daily in the real world somewhere on planet.

I'm surprised he didn't ask what size ladder to buy.

TREE-SURFER · 18th March 2007, 08:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ekka

I'm surprised he didn't ask what size ladder to buy.

Funny you should mention that.

I've seen a bloke going round with a motor-cycle with a little box trailer hitched to the back. and a couple of old (like really old)saws bungee strapped on the top of his old knackered ladders. Seen him working away and was hanging from a piece of nylon rope around his waist whilst sawing off a rotten limb. I thought he was in distress and being equipped for aerial rescue, stopped to offer my services. And I quote, "Do you think I need a longer set of ladders?" Assistance offered was to get him down safely (only 10 foot) with his (cough! cough!) ladders and to give him some sound advice. All he does is collect fire wood for his little stove. Give him his due, he says he only takes off the dead stuff and his cuts are OK too, Just his apparatus is a little bit concerning....

Ekka · 19th March 2007, 02:02 AM

Well there you go, you can dump ya wood at his house so he can burn it.

I fell off a ladder so I hate the buggers, but sometimes you need one to get on a roof or something.

TREE-SURFER · 19th March 2007, 05:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ekka

I fell off a ladder so I hate the buggers, but sometimes you need one to get on a roof or something.

Quite recently, I was taking down an Elm with a pretty bad lean. It was only about 30 feet high with little foliage. But, to throw a line in was getting tiresome as i was missing my mark Damned Ivy. I decided to use my triple 20 foot ladders just to gain me access. Raised the first section and the middle section got stuck. Gave it a jurk and as I looked up to see where I was going with it, seen the first section coming back at me.

Thank the Hard Hat company for making good helmets.

Ekka · 19th March 2007, 01:37 PM

I used to have a big 36' ladder I did palms on, when going up about half way that thing used to get bit of a bend and wobble up. The end had a chain that wrapped the palm trunk, now if it was windy it was even more bazaar ... I really hated that heavy aluminium ladder and sold it.

Where the two sections of the extending ladder over lap is interesting. Some have what's called flyover (where the extending top section is above the bottom section) and some have flyunder (extending top section below top section).

My ladder was a flyunder.

I think they should ban the flyover, I wrote the manf years ago and they didn't really give a hoot. What happens with the flyover is this ....

... imagine you are coming down the ladder. I'm sure I'm not the only person who steps on the rungs where the balls of your feet are (just behind the toes). Well as you get to the next set of rungs where the join is guess what? The rungs are set in about 4" and the amount of times you near slip coz now only the tips of your toes caught that rung, it's stupid, you have to actually consciously move your foot in further which feels very odd especially as your torso is leaning out more as your still hanging on the top section. This is dangerous and bad design but most predominant on extending ladders.

With the flyunder set up, as you come down the ladder the next rung sticks out further and you catch it easier with your boot and your torso gets put on a better lean ... the safer option.

I hope you understand, so when buying a ladder check which style the fly is, and buy the flyunder.

JayD · 19th March 2007, 11:56 PM

Hi All,
Funny some one mentions something and bingo most times your've experienced something similier,me with our ladder,one method of entry into a tree we seldom use anymore,but still we have it just in case,My experience was extending the ladder to its second section was high in the air when the rope that extends the bloody thing snaped and the extended ladder section came back down at a hundred miles an hour I held my fingers out and it went wizzing by I quaked myself scary stuff sometimes.

Ekka · 20th March 2007, 02:49 AM

Screw them ladders, I hate them!

justoon · 20th March 2007, 01:43 PM

Guys, ladders and chainsaws/9"grinders or any type of grinder or powerful electrical tool is a big No No

Ladders are for access only!!!! seen too many injuries occur this way.If we were to do something like that on any of the industrial sites around here the site whso ( workplace health and saftey officer) would have a breakdown, we would be suspended from site and near on banned.The employee would be banned from site and we would have to prove our training methods and work practises before being let back on site.

TrevMcRev · 21st March 2007, 02:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ekka

Screw them ladders, I hate them!

Me too! Spent 1/2 the afternoon working from one.

.............................painting my house

Its rare the ladder makes the trip out to a jobsite for us.

Ekka · 21st March 2007, 04:31 AM

Oh boy, painting the house, is it 2 storey? That'd suck!

Therrin · 7th November 2007, 01:04 AM

On the topic of Ladders...

I spent 5 hrs last week dropping a pine with a wicked lean on it that hung out over the h.o.'s fenceline, flowers, the road, etc... Brought the whole beast down, section at a time, nice and safely. Was only about a 60 foot max heigh, so it was pretty small still. Then while I'm cleaning up a bit, the guy comes over and says hey really quick, before I leave, can I prune some branches out that his wife didn't like. He's got this 20 foot ladder set up against the tree and I still had my little Stihl in my hand so I agreed.
I shouldn't have, I hate ladders. The thing was shakin like crazy and by the time I came back down, he couldn't understand how I could spend half the afternoon way up in a pine, and then hate the thought of using a 20 foot extension ladder.

It's nice to have found some people who can understand that just perfectly =)

defex · 7th November 2007, 07:14 PM

is there a sofware for invoices, something like quickbooks for tree service

Ekka · 8th November 2007, 01:08 AM

Wouldn't Quickbooks handle it?

I use Quickbooks for our business however quotes are written out from a quote pad still. If you have a big business you really want quotes coming out of the system so you can track everything. I suppose you could have the quotes transposed once back in the orifice.

17th March 2007, 09:25 PM	#1 (permalink)
JayD Over mature heritage tree Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Sydney Posts: 886	Request for advice on starting A tree Bus Hi All, Just lifted this from another site,(hope no one gets upset over it as it was not my intension to upset anyone) This bloke want advice on starting a Tree Business,would you give him advice??...I mean you cant blame the man for wanting to have a go but,2 saws,read a book and away we go QUOTE [ i was wondering if anyone would give me some advice on starting a tree care service? i have read the books the fundamentals of general tree work the tree climbers companion, and the isa offici arborist study guide. i know how to take wraps to rig a limb or secetion of tree,i know how to climb and how to make proper pruning cuts.i figured i would do the climbing myself because i enjoy it.i also figured on doing it all my self for a couple of years until a friend of mine told me it was illegal to do it that way. is that true? i have a back belt not a saddle i also have 2 chainsaws. a husqvarna 141 and a husqvarna 51. if anyone would take the time to give me some advice i would greatly appreciate it.]....all he left out was his wheelbarrow,but this is what we are up against here aswell.1st place to start 1/do an aproved course of study in Arboriculture,the rest will come.( names removed) What do you think??

18th March 2007, 01:23 AM	#3 (permalink)
JayD Over mature heritage tree Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Sydney Posts: 886	Wind up?or Troll?? Hi Boa07, I just re-read the original post where this came from and although it doesn't fit in with the subject being discussed it seems legit, The author is a young farm hand??but hey if it proves to be a wind up Ekka will no dout remove this thread,but it still fits into the mentality of some of these shotgun operators,a saw ,a wheelbarrow,and a hope and a prayer.Apart from suggest he does an aproved course in arb I would not say anything more?? All The Best JayD

18th March 2007, 01:45 AM	#4 (permalink)
Ekka Eric Frei Administrator - Brisbane L5 (Dip) Hort Cert III Arb + some Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 6,869	I'd say this sort of thread would be happening almost daily in the real world somewhere on planet. I'm surprised he didn't ask what size ladder to buy. __________________ Remember to use the "search" function, if you have answers/questions post them so everyone can benefit. Free Tree and Green Industry Link Directory Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping Brisbane Tree Care, Consultations and Arborist Reports Forum Sponsors

19th March 2007, 02:02 AM	#6 (permalink)
Ekka Eric Frei Administrator - Brisbane L5 (Dip) Hort Cert III Arb + some Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 6,869	Well there you go, you can dump ya wood at his house so he can burn it. I fell off a ladder so I hate the buggers, but sometimes you need one to get on a roof or something. __________________ Remember to use the "search" function, if you have answers/questions post them so everyone can benefit. Free Tree and Green Industry Link Directory Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping Brisbane Tree Care, Consultations and Arborist Reports Forum Sponsors

19th March 2007, 01:37 PM	#8 (permalink)
Ekka Eric Frei Administrator - Brisbane L5 (Dip) Hort Cert III Arb + some Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 6,869	I used to have a big 36' ladder I did palms on, when going up about half way that thing used to get bit of a bend and wobble up. The end had a chain that wrapped the palm trunk, now if it was windy it was even more bazaar ... I really hated that heavy aluminium ladder and sold it. Where the two sections of the extending ladder over lap is interesting. Some have what's called flyover (where the extending top section is above the bottom section) and some have flyunder (extending top section below top section). My ladder was a flyunder. I think they should ban the flyover, I wrote the manf years ago and they didn't really give a hoot. What happens with the flyover is this .... ... imagine you are coming down the ladder. I'm sure I'm not the only person who steps on the rungs where the balls of your feet are (just behind the toes). Well as you get to the next set of rungs where the join is guess what? The rungs are set in about 4" and the amount of times you near slip coz now only the tips of your toes caught that rung, it's stupid, you have to actually consciously move your foot in further which feels very odd especially as your torso is leaning out more as your still hanging on the top section. This is dangerous and bad design but most predominant on extending ladders. With the flyunder set up, as you come down the ladder the next rung sticks out further and you catch it easier with your boot and your torso gets put on a better lean ... the safer option. I hope you understand, so when buying a ladder check which style the fly is, and buy the flyunder. __________________ Remember to use the "search" function, if you have answers/questions post them so everyone can benefit. Free Tree and Green Industry Link Directory Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping Brisbane Tree Care, Consultations and Arborist Reports Forum Sponsors

17th March 2007, 11:12 PM	#2 (permalink)
Sean Freeman PDF King & Arborist Extrodinaire Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Townsville Nth Queensland & Gold Coast Sth Queensland Posts: 1,645	Are you sure it was legit? If he read the ISA Arb Cert study guide he either skipped the chapters on safety and climbing and working in trees or they had been ripped out, if he actually read them i doubt he'd be asking most of those questions...I'd be strongly hoping that the thread was a wind up, Ekka had a very similar (too similar?) thread here, have to suspect the work of trolls. Sean

19th March 2007, 11:56 PM	#9 (permalink)
JayD Over mature heritage tree Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Sydney Posts: 886	Bloody Ladders! Hi All, Funny some one mentions something and bingo most times your've experienced something similier,me with our ladder,one method of entry into a tree we seldom use anymore,but still we have it just in case,My experience was extending the ladder to its second section was high in the air when the rope that extends the bloody thing snaped and the extended ladder section came back down at a hundred miles an hour I held my fingers out and it went wizzing by I quaked myself scary stuff sometimes.

20th March 2007, 02:49 AM	#10 (permalink)
Ekka Eric Frei Administrator - Brisbane L5 (Dip) Hort Cert III Arb + some Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 6,869	Screw them ladders, I hate them! __________________ Remember to use the "search" function, if you have answers/questions post them so everyone can benefit. Free Tree and Green Industry Link Directory Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping Brisbane Tree Care, Consultations and Arborist Reports Forum Sponsors

20th March 2007, 01:43 PM	#11 (permalink)
justoon Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Boyne Island Posts: 63	Guys, ladders and chainsaws/9"grinders or any type of grinder or powerful electrical tool is a big No No Ladders are for access only!!!! seen too many injuries occur this way.If we were to do something like that on any of the industrial sites around here the site whso ( workplace health and saftey officer) would have a breakdown, we would be suspended from site and near on banned.The employee would be banned from site and we would have to prove our training methods and work practises before being let back on site.

21st March 2007, 04:31 AM	#13 (permalink)
Ekka Eric Frei Administrator - Brisbane L5 (Dip) Hort Cert III Arb + some Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 6,869	Oh boy, painting the house, is it 2 storey? That'd suck! __________________ Remember to use the "search" function, if you have answers/questions post them so everyone can benefit. Free Tree and Green Industry Link Directory Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping Brisbane Tree Care, Consultations and Arborist Reports Forum Sponsors

7th November 2007, 01:04 AM	#14 (permalink)
Therrin The Tree World Bandit Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Lancaster, Ca Posts: 1,254	Re: Request for advice on starting A tree Bus On the topic of Ladders... I spent 5 hrs last week dropping a pine with a wicked lean on it that hung out over the h.o.'s fenceline, flowers, the road, etc... Brought the whole beast down, section at a time, nice and safely. Was only about a 60 foot max heigh, so it was pretty small still. Then while I'm cleaning up a bit, the guy comes over and says hey really quick, before I leave, can I prune some branches out that his wife didn't like. He's got this 20 foot ladder set up against the tree and I still had my little Stihl in my hand so I agreed. I shouldn't have, I hate ladders. The thing was shakin like crazy and by the time I came back down, he couldn't understand how I could spend half the afternoon way up in a pine, and then hate the thought of using a 20 foot extension ladder. It's nice to have found some people who can understand that just perfectly =)

7th November 2007, 07:14 PM	#15 (permalink)
defex Sappling Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 8	Re: Request for advice on starting A tree Bus is there a sofware for invoices, something like quickbooks for tree service

8th November 2007, 01:08 AM	#16 (permalink)
Ekka Eric Frei Administrator - Brisbane L5 (Dip) Hort Cert III Arb + some Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 6,869	Re: Request for advice on starting A tree Bus Wouldn't Quickbooks handle it? I use Quickbooks for our business however quotes are written out from a quote pad still. If you have a big business you really want quotes coming out of the system so you can track everything. I suppose you could have the quotes transposed once back in the orifice. __________________ Remember to use the "search" function, if you have answers/questions post them so everyone can benefit. Free Tree and Green Industry Link Directory Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping Brisbane Tree Care, Consultations and Arborist Reports Forum Sponsors