Redwoods: A "Must Read"

azrael · 16th January 2008, 03:16 AM

Truly awesome stuff. Well done

Great pics.
....eagerly await the outcome of the next expedition.

azrael · 18th January 2008, 04:13 PM

This link is a radio interview with Richard Preston "The Wild Trees". Its about an 45 mins long, all up.
WAMU 88.5 FM American University Radio - The Diane Rehm Show for Monday April 16, 2007

mdvaden · 21st January 2008, 04:50 PM

So I discovered that I did find the Del Norte Titan.

I can't explain how I know, without possibly giving away too much information.

Now maybe I can get some close-up pics.

Really, once you get into a forest like that, whether a tree has the largest trunk, or a trunk 2/3s as big, becomes a bit inconsequential.

But I thought the hunt would be a fun change. Besides, it got me at least a mile into the deep rain-forest where I may not otherwise have gone.

Have you read that the Redwoods have far more bio-mass than other rainforests on Earth? Per acre or square mile that is. Apparently more dense in areas, and much taller.

I found a few photos of redwoods that were like vertical panoramas. Vertical photo-stitch images. I'd like to see if I can make a few like that.

newguy18 · 21st January 2008, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Ekka

Also this has clues.

A Day of Discovery | Orion magazine

Explanation of where Stout Grove is and where they came out.

Stout Grove

Richard Preston knows where it is, here's a pic of it.

Richard Preston

Now I'm gonna have to find it and climb it.

mdvaden · 21st January 2008, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by newguy18

Now I'm gonna have to find it and climb it.

Hey... look at it this way...

If you can find the thing - go for it.

I'm not sure what kind of laws might be broken. Be sure to check in case you need to bring money to get bailed out of jail.

Another way to approach this, if you attempt a "Ninja climb" - don't climb the most protected, but some other big ones. Odds are, that some of the younger ones that are like 500 years old, may be as tall as or taller than that one. It has the most massive redwood trunk, but it's about 307 feet tall. That's not extremely tall. You could easily sneak into the woods about 1/2 hour of bushwhacking and select another hefty one.

It would sure be dissappointing to see you climb the wrong tree the wrong time of year, and interfere with an endangered species bird, because that may involve a federal law. And we'd be sorry to see you disappear from the forum for a while by accidentally becoming a felon.

Then there would be these giant size Titan felons called Bubba wanting to do some Ninja exploration.

newguy18 · 21st January 2008, 09:46 PM

another reason i dislike the tree huggers that got them as protected as they are today.ruined it for guys like me that wan to climb them.

mdvaden · 21st January 2008, 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by newguy18

another reason i dislike the tree huggers that got them as protected as they are today.ruined it for guys like me that wan to climb them.

Are you sure?

Sounds like they might just be tougher than some of us !!

I mean, those trees have been there for centuries for tree climbers to find. And who was tough enough to beat their way through the brush, endure swollen joints, wear out boots, climb huge log piles and wade through creeks and rivers - and get there first?

The botanists !!

Man...they kicked everybody's ass and beat them to the punch.

They also climbed to the top first, so they could take the high ground.

So in one way, they earned they way there. I guess that us other folks will have to do something equally as tough to contend with them.

From what I understand, they have super-charged the arborist's style of climbing and gear too, to the point that some of it's classified as well.

RandyMac · 22nd January 2008, 12:31 AM

I first visited the grove in 1969, my brother and I went with an old Indian guide and his grandson. We camped near there for three days while the old man did some sort of rites there. The last time I was there was in the early '80s, the grove was still pristine. Now we have yahoos, no matter how intentioned, climbing trees that are best left alone. The local story on the "discovers" is that they bought the directions, to write an article for the minor fame in it. It's only a matter of time before the GPS position is posted, and the grove will be trashed. I have seen similar things happen in the past, very depressing.

RandyMac

Therrin · 22nd January 2008, 12:55 AM

I'd love to camp near trees like that...

wouldn't be too keen on climbing them though... just looking at them in awe from the ground. climbing them would be too much of an ego trip for me.

Ekka · 22nd January 2008, 03:51 AM

You are not allowed to climb many trees in parks here, not sure how it works, I think National park not allowed State park OK but dont hold me to it.

newguy18 · 22nd January 2008, 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by mdvaden

Are you sure?

Sounds like they might just be tougher than some of us !!

I mean, those trees have been there for centuries for tree climbers to find. And who was tough enough to beat their way through the brush, endure swollen joints, wear out boots, climb huge log piles and wade through creeks and rivers - and get there first?

The botanists !!

I would have sworn it was the loggers of the late 19th century and 20th century.The climbing gaff was invented in 1896.

arborjockey · 22nd January 2008, 08:42 AM

I lived inland of crescent city in Redding ca. For about five years. I would make the trip over to crescent city where my ex-wifes grandmother lived every couple of months to surf. The area is amazing. Its one place in america that the rich have not ruined yet. Bad gambling problem and the prison there doesn't help much. I have traveled and seen some amazing things given my short period on earth but nothing prepared me for what Im about to describe. I was driving back to Redding one evening and desided to stop along the way and watch the sunset. When a logging road presented itself I took it. I was one mt. range inland from the coast when the fog rolled in. The fog was so thick that it flowed in, fluid like. It built up on the first cascade until so backed up it ran down the backside of the mt. like a water fall. But to my amazement the redwoods stood above the fog . As the sun setted into the fog I couldn't tell where the ocean started and the clouds ended. The redwood trees seem to be 100miles out in the ocean. I made a video rec. of it but like lots of things in a divorce Ill have to let that one go and keep it in my memory. Keep a note to self if ever traveling through that area try position yourself at sun set.

newguy18 · 22nd January 2008, 09:09 AM

i'd like to watch the sunset over the ocean while in top of one.if I get the chance I promise to take a pic of it and post it here.

mdvaden · 22nd January 2008, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by newguy18

I would have sworn it was the loggers of the late 19th century and 20th century.The climbing gaff was invented in 1896.

That may have been connoted in the book The Wild Trees.

It included a section about an arborist who saw a guy on TV who said he learned to climb from Steve Sillett - using spurs.

So apparently, this arborist gets angry, and calls up Steve (Dr.) Sillett, and calls him a woosie, saying that he climbs like loggers, and that loggers are woosies.

Mainly in reference to the primitive / prehistoric climbing gear.

I think the arborist's point was that the gaffs are not really climbing gear - it's ascending gear, of a type that causes damage.

Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if there were some loggers back in the 1800s who already free-climbed some of these giants with just their bare hands and boots, and nobody knows about it.

The book defines "discovery" not as being the first to see a record size tree, but as the first to really recognize and record it as such.

It's even written that bushwhackers of forest workers may have seen the Grove of Titans before. The "discovers" don't seem to think they are the first ones to have seen some of the trees.

newguy18 · 22nd January 2008, 09:27 AM

i don't know i never read that book.i saw it in a book called the loggers.
its the top book.Amazon.com: the loggers: Books
its a good read a some really

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my point being is that I don't think when people first climbed them i don't think they were to intrested in botany.

azrael · 22nd January 2008, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Az

16th January 2008, 03:16 AM	#26 (permalink)
azrael Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Earth Australia Posts: 321	Re: Redwoods: A "Must Read" Truly awesome stuff. Well done Great pics. ....eagerly await the outcome of the next expedition.

18th January 2008, 04:13 PM	#27 (permalink)
azrael Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Earth Australia Posts: 321	Re: Redwoods: A "Must Read" This link is a radio interview with Richard Preston "The Wild Trees". Its about an 45 mins long, all up. WAMU 88.5 FM American University Radio - The Diane Rehm Show for Monday April 16, 2007

21st January 2008, 04:50 PM	#28 (permalink)
mdvaden Over mature heritage tree Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Oregon Posts: 543	Re: Redwoods: A "Must Read" So I discovered that I did find the Del Norte Titan. I can't explain how I know, without possibly giving away too much information. Now maybe I can get some close-up pics. Really, once you get into a forest like that, whether a tree has the largest trunk, or a trunk 2/3s as big, becomes a bit inconsequential. But I thought the hunt would be a fun change. Besides, it got me at least a mile into the deep rain-forest where I may not otherwise have gone. Have you read that the Redwoods have far more bio-mass than other rainforests on Earth? Per acre or square mile that is. Apparently more dense in areas, and much taller. I found a few photos of redwoods that were like vertical panoramas. Vertical photo-stitch images. I'd like to see if I can make a few like that. __________________ ____________________________________ Grove of Redwood TITANS Oregon BIGOOT trap

21st January 2008, 09:46 PM	#31 (permalink)
newguy18 Part of the Furniture Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Live Oak Florida home of the crapiest trees you will ever see. Posts: 2,682	Re: Redwoods: A "Must Read" another reason i dislike the tree huggers that got them as protected as they are today.ruined it for guys like me that wan to climb them. __________________ Have your say join us today. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xzkd_m4ivmc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xzfzb...eature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-OqK...eature=related

22nd January 2008, 12:31 AM	#33 (permalink)
RandyMac Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: NW California Posts: 77	Re: Redwoods: A "Must Read" I first visited the grove in 1969, my brother and I went with an old Indian guide and his grandson. We camped near there for three days while the old man did some sort of rites there. The last time I was there was in the early '80s, the grove was still pristine. Now we have yahoos, no matter how intentioned, climbing trees that are best left alone. The local story on the "discovers" is that they bought the directions, to write an article for the minor fame in it. It's only a matter of time before the GPS position is posted, and the grove will be trashed. I have seen similar things happen in the past, very depressing. RandyMac

22nd January 2008, 12:55 AM	#34 (permalink)
Therrin The Tree World Bandit Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Lancaster, Ca Posts: 1,273	Re: Redwoods: A "Must Read" I'd love to camp near trees like that... wouldn't be too keen on climbing them though... just looking at them in awe from the ground. climbing them would be too much of an ego trip for me. __________________ Ken Fessia I.T.S.A. Tree Service (661) 916-4703

22nd January 2008, 03:51 AM	#35 (permalink)
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22nd January 2008, 08:42 AM	#37 (permalink)
arborjockey Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: hawaii. ohio. oregon. california Posts: 127	Re: Redwoods: A "Must Read" I lived inland of crescent city in Redding ca. For about five years. I would make the trip over to crescent city where my ex-wifes grandmother lived every couple of months to surf. The area is amazing. Its one place in america that the rich have not ruined yet. Bad gambling problem and the prison there doesn't help much. I have traveled and seen some amazing things given my short period on earth but nothing prepared me for what Im about to describe. I was driving back to Redding one evening and desided to stop along the way and watch the sunset. When a logging road presented itself I took it. I was one mt. range inland from the coast when the fog rolled in. The fog was so thick that it flowed in, fluid like. It built up on the first cascade until so backed up it ran down the backside of the mt. like a water fall. But to my amazement the redwoods stood above the fog . As the sun setted into the fog I couldn't tell where the ocean started and the clouds ended. The redwood trees seem to be 100miles out in the ocean. I made a video rec. of it but like lots of things in a divorce Ill have to let that one go and keep it in my memory. Keep a note to self if ever traveling through that area try position yourself at sun set.

22nd January 2008, 09:09 AM	#38 (permalink)
newguy18 Part of the Furniture Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Live Oak Florida home of the crapiest trees you will ever see. Posts: 2,682	Re: Redwoods: A "Must Read" i'd like to watch the sunset over the ocean while in top of one.if I get the chance I promise to take a pic of it and post it here. __________________ Have your say join us today. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xzkd_m4ivmc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xzfzb...eature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-OqK...eature=related

22nd January 2008, 09:27 AM	#40 (permalink)
newguy18 Part of the Furniture Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Live Oak Florida home of the crapiest trees you will ever see. Posts: 2,682	Re: Redwoods: A "Must Read" i don't know i never read that book.i saw it in a book called the loggers. its the top book.Amazon.com: the loggers: Books its a good read a some really. my point being is that I don't think when people first climbed them i don't think they were to intrested in botany. __________________ Have your say join us today. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xzkd_m4ivmc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xzfzb...eature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-OqK...eature=related