The Real Tree Facts by Harold McPeak| USA Visionary Arborist NOT!

Eric Frei · 17th April 2008, 06:18 PM

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A NEW fact page the way I see it. Now with explanations

This is not intended to offend anyone, but there are some things that people shopping for tree services must keep in mind.

1. Who do you think foots the bill for the other tree services new equipment? They conveniently pass the additional expenses to the customer. We don't think this is fair to you; we can do the job without unnecessary expenses. What I mean by this is they (the owners) go out and buy the biggest equipment available and 95% of the tree jobs won't call for half the size of the equipment. most are just trying to top the competition with what they have.

2. I was wrong about the bigger companies offering lower prices. I have had people call me for estimates and have found that the bigger companies are asking really ridiculous prices these days.

3. Don't be fooled by a smooth line, a great smile, and a charming personality. Some people doing tree work have no clue what they're doing. Others will take you for a ride, charging ridiculous prices while maintaining an overly cocky attitude. (ever talked to a used car salesman?)

4. Some will tell you that they're so busy that they just don't know when they can do the work. Well why would they be giving estimates if they have enough work?

5. Spikes do not hurt your tree if you have the right kind and someone who knows how to use them. Whoever invented bucket trucks probably started the rumor that spikes hurt your trees so they could eliminate the little man because they (the tree services that bought the trucks) had to make a killing (alot of money) in order to pay for the equipment. There is a big difference in tree spikes and pole spikes. those who use pole spikes usually scar the heck out of the trees, I'll be honest I have yet to see a tree die from being spiked the tree usually takes care of itself.

6. The companies that say don't spike also say don't top a tree. Well why do they cut limbs off trees? That would have the same effect on a tree as topping and honestly they still top trees they just call it pruning/crown reduction and take a little off the top. Then it grows back quickly and has to be topped uh I mean (pruned) sooner (wink wink).

7. One last thing. I have had some people coming to this website looking for a how to do it page, tree trim/cuts and removals. Sorry, but I suggest you not do it yourself.

Now that you are enlightened about tree services, I hope you make the enlightened choice.

Point 4 is a good one, which ones do you like/dislike?

Treelore · 17th April 2008, 07:09 PM

That is ignorance at its best. I'm appalled

newguy18 · 18th April 2008, 12:03 AM

Heck My brother picked his "fact sheet" to pieces and he knows almost nothing about treecare.

quercus · 18th April 2008, 06:48 AM

everything is crap, except for section nr.7. Send him a flame mail Ekka...

Eric Frei · 18th April 2008, 08:05 AM

Harold has been invited to share his side of the story.

quercus · 18th April 2008, 08:16 AM

Tell T to put a motherload into his arbor-harpoon... I just know he'll be chewing on this guy for ages....

StrictlyPalms · 23rd April 2008, 04:17 AM

Area code is from Suburban Virginia. Glad I live in Florida

treevet · 30th April 2008, 03:05 PM

No. 5 is retarded beyond belief. Right out of the stone ages.

Imagine basing what you do to a tree on the fact that "it doesn't kill the tree".

What if people treatments were based on that citeria?

anhonesttreeman · 30th July 2011, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Treelore

That is ignorance at its best. I'm appalled

Its a shame that some people tree and/or any other companies pass on their teachings and THINK they are right. This is concerning Harold McPeaks tree service at least he is telling the truth. Most of you so-called tree men only know what you read in a book or what some other so-called tree man has said or done: BECAUSE you are unable to think and figure things out for YOURSELVES. So say what you want and also act as though you care about and for customers trees, BUT just watch how many will flock to give an estimate to takedown a tree if a customer wants or needs it taken down. Thanks for your time and IGNORANCE is for an example- (read from BECAUSE again) Oh by the way post this PUHLEASE?

Eric Frei · 30th July 2011, 10:37 PM

Houston ..... we have a live one.

I think points 5 and 6 confirm who is ignorant.

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5 Spikes do not hurt your tree if you have the right kind and someone who knows how to use them. Whoever invented bucket trucks probably started the rumor that spikes hurt your trees so they could eliminate the little man because they (the tree services that bought the trucks) had to make a killing (alot of money) in order to pay for the equipment. There is a big difference in tree spikes and pole spikes. those who use pole spikes usually scar the heck out of the trees, I'll be honest I have yet to see a tree die from being spiked the tree usually takes care of itself.
6 The companies that say don't spike also say don't top a tree. Well why do they cut limbs off trees? That would have the same effect on a tree as topping and honestly they still top trees they just call it pruning/crown reduction and take a little off the top. Then it grows back quickly and has to be topped uh I mean (pruned) sooner (wink wink).

So spiking with tree gaffs is OK but not with pole gaffs eh.

And cutting off branches is the same as topping eh.

And you call us ignorant, old saying about arguing with fools, it drags you down to their level.

anhonesttreeman · 30th July 2011, 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Eric Frei

Houston ..... we have a live one.

I think points 5 and 6 confirm who is ignorant.

So spiking with tree gaffs is OK but not with pole gaffs eh.

And cutting off branches is the same as topping eh.

And you call us ignorant, old saying about arguing with fools, it drags you down to their level.

Arguing with (FOOLS) LMAO that is exactly what I mean seeya. You guys or whatever the word for low intelligent men is, are IDIOTS I am so serious as god as my witness You are IDIOTS!!!!

Don't worry I won't be back.

Apocalypsse · 31st July 2011, 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by anhonesttreeman

Its a shame that some people tree and/or any other companies pass on their teachings and THINK they are right. This is concerning Harold McPeaks tree service at least he is telling the truth. Most of you so-called tree men only know what you read in a book or what some other so-called tree man has said or done: BECAUSE you are unable to think and figure things out for YOURSELVES. So say what you want and also act as though you care about and for customers trees, BUT just watch how many will flock to give an estimate to takedown a tree if a customer wants or needs it taken down. Thanks for your time and IGNORANCE is for an example- (read from BECAUSE again) Oh by the way post this PUHLEASE?

Jeff Darby · 31st July 2011, 07:16 AM

Three years on oh please..did you just wake from hibernation you cranky old troll. Now be good cause I have my whip and chair to keep your nastiness at bay..lol.. all jokes aside ! You came here with attitude and made comment on a thread that has sat idle for years than attacked our members and you even have ordasity to have use god as your wittness..be gone Nasty Troll

Eric Frei · 31st July 2011, 08:57 AM

I see, we're idiots because you are incapable of convincing us otherwise and result to childish dummy spitting.

Darrell Mcleod · 31st July 2011, 10:02 AM

Love that World Dummy Spit Champ graphic

Can I borrow that?

Victor Lindsay · 31st July 2011, 10:36 AM

Is this for real? If so, then there is no reason for me to correct his mistakes with referances...he's beyond help! anhonesttreeman, the world of arboriculture...never mind, you don't have it in you to move forward.

Joshua Rugg · 2nd August 2011, 03:36 AM

place your bets. i think he wont last within the next 5 more years and will have to start cleaning gutters.

im curious as to why he thinks pruning a branch is the same as topping? where the hell did you learn about trees man? anyone who has even the slightest experience in our line of work knows the with a proper branch collar cut, the cambium seals over the wound in time. when you heading cut or "top" a limb, the cambium has no collar and there for cannot seal over the wound. also because of the drastic loss in energy making foliage, the tree goes into survival mode and uses up every bit of energy it has to put out foliage to replace what was lost due to topping. unfortunately what grows back is not substantial branches with good connection to the main trunk. it is weak new growth that has little to no attachment and often fails if allowed to grow to big. did i mention the new growth comes back fast and in large quantities?! toppin is a money maker for scam artists.

that being said, i am not a certified arborist and have only been in the industry for 4 years and climbing for 2 and i know more then this dud does. WOW!. i had to self teach alot of what i know and most of it was in field practice, taking notes when bad pruning cuts were made and leaning the effects of how the tree grows and responds to how it was cut. trees are not hedges and people just dont realize how slow they grow.

i think alot of these tree guys that "top" have landscaping backgrounds and are soo used to the hedging and fast growing rate of grass that they have a fixed mindset that trees should be treated in the same way. so when those epicormics start flowing out they grab thier hedge trimmers with a smile haha

anyway thats my 2 cents for ya.

17th April 2008, 07:09 PM	#2
Treelore Former Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Brisbane Posts: 103	Re: The Real Tree Facts by Harold McPeak\| USA Visionary Arborist NOT! That is ignorance at its best. I'm appalled

18th April 2008, 12:03 AM	#3
newguy18 Part of the Furniture Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: orlando,fl Posts: 4,948	Re: The Real Tree Facts by Harold McPeak\| USA Visionary Arborist NOT! Heck My brother picked his "fact sheet" to pieces and he knows almost nothing about treecare. __________________ Have your say join us today. old schooler

18th April 2008, 06:48 AM	#4
quercus Mature tree Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: belgium Posts: 368	Re: The Real Tree Facts by Harold McPeak\| USA Visionary Arborist NOT! everything is crap, except for section nr.7. Send him a flame mail Ekka...

18th April 2008, 08:05 AM	#5
Eric Frei Admin - Owner Palm & Tree Services in Brisbane Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,994	Re: The Real Tree Facts by Harold McPeak\| USA Visionary Arborist NOT! Harold has been invited to share his side of the story. __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Palm and Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

18th April 2008, 08:16 AM	#6
quercus Mature tree Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: belgium Posts: 368	Re: The Real Tree Facts by Harold McPeak\| USA Visionary Arborist NOT! Tell T to put a motherload into his arbor-harpoon... I just know he'll be chewing on this guy for ages....

23rd April 2008, 04:17 AM	#7
StrictlyPalms Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Orlando, Florida USA Posts: 177	Re: The Real Tree Facts by Harold McPeak\| USA Visionary Arborist NOT! Area code is from Suburban Virginia. Glad I live in Florida __________________ Strictly Palms, Inc. Orlando, Florida USA

30th April 2008, 03:05 PM	#8
treevet Monument Status Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Cincinnati, Ohio, USA Posts: 2,119	Re: The Real Tree Facts by Harold McPeak\| USA Visionary Arborist NOT! No. 5 is retarded beyond belief. Right out of the stone ages. Imagine basing what you do to a tree on the fact that "it doesn't kill the tree". What if people treatments were based on that citeria?

31st July 2011, 07:16 AM	#13
Jeff Darby Moderator - Previously known as JayD Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: TreeWorld, Sydney Australia Posts: 2,059	Re: The Real Tree Facts by Harold McPeak\| USA Visionary Arborist NOT! Three years on oh please..did you just wake from hibernation you cranky old troll. Now be good cause I have my whip and chair to keep your nastiness at bay..lol.. all jokes aside ! You came here with attitude and made comment on a thread that has sat idle for years than attacked our members and you even have ordasity to have use god as your wittness..be gone Nasty Troll __________________ Member: Australian Tree Association Join the Australian Tree Association...Have your voice heard ! Arboriculture, A life long study for some, a passing phase for others © Jeffrey J Darby 2011

31st July 2011, 08:57 AM	#14
Eric Frei Admin - Owner Palm & Tree Services in Brisbane Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,994	Re: The Real Tree Facts by Harold McPeak\| USA Visionary Arborist NOT! I see, we're idiots because you are incapable of convincing us otherwise and result to childish dummy spitting. Attached Thumbnails __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Palm and Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

31st July 2011, 10:02 AM	#15
Darrell Mcleod Mature tree Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Victoria Australia Posts: 242	Re: The Real Tree Facts by Harold McPeak\| USA Visionary Arborist NOT! Love that World Dummy Spit Champ graphic Can I borrow that?

31st July 2011, 10:36 AM	#16
Victor Lindsay Mature tree Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: ? Posts: 441	Re: The Real Tree Facts by Harold McPeak\| USA Visionary Arborist NOT! Is this for real? If so, then there is no reason for me to correct his mistakes with referances...he's beyond help! anhonesttreeman, the world of arboriculture...never mind, you don't have it in you to move forward.

2nd August 2011, 03:36 AM	#17
Joshua Rugg Mature tree Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: maui, hawaii Posts: 285	Re: The Real Tree Facts by Harold McPeak\| USA Visionary Arborist NOT! place your bets. i think he wont last within the next 5 more years and will have to start cleaning gutters. im curious as to why he thinks pruning a branch is the same as topping? where the hell did you learn about trees man? anyone who has even the slightest experience in our line of work knows the with a proper branch collar cut, the cambium seals over the wound in time. when you heading cut or "top" a limb, the cambium has no collar and there for cannot seal over the wound. also because of the drastic loss in energy making foliage, the tree goes into survival mode and uses up every bit of energy it has to put out foliage to replace what was lost due to topping. unfortunately what grows back is not substantial branches with good connection to the main trunk. it is weak new growth that has little to no attachment and often fails if allowed to grow to big. did i mention the new growth comes back fast and in large quantities?! toppin is a money maker for scam artists. that being said, i am not a certified arborist and have only been in the industry for 4 years and climbing for 2 and i know more then this dud does. WOW!. i had to self teach alot of what i know and most of it was in field practice, taking notes when bad pruning cuts were made and leaning the effects of how the tree grows and responds to how it was cut. trees are not hedges and people just dont realize how slow they grow. i think alot of these tree guys that "top" have landscaping backgrounds and are soo used to the hedging and fast growing rate of grass that they have a fixed mindset that trees should be treated in the same way. so when those epicormics start flowing out they grab thier hedge trimmers with a smile haha anyway thats my 2 cents for ya. __________________ Stihl MS192T 14" MS200T 16" MS261 16" MS440 25" Husqvarna 359 20" 394XP 32" Poulan P3314 14" ( new hire/groundy saw)

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