Puzzled by A Monkey!

TREE-SURFER · 21st February 2007, 10:28 PM

Any suggestions on this one:-
Health and safety say "NO Ladders - Too Tall"
Health and safety say "NO Scaffold - No Tie in Points"
Health and safety say "NO MEWPS - Too close to busy road and fuel station"
This sucker has got to be climbed, just to clean up the lower limbs. No Big shot to get a line up there and definitely NO SPIKES.
Any Ideas on gettin up there.

Eric Frei · 21st February 2007, 10:47 PM

That looks a bit like our Bunya pines.

Well, this is gonna suck but I think foot loops and a lanyard and a climbing line. It's gonna be slow climb.

Maybe get a pole with a hook and advance your climbing line 10' further up the tree so you dont have to reset that every 2 steps.

Sean Freeman · 21st February 2007, 10:50 PM

Beaten to the punch!

Yes, but it will take me some time to organise photos to clearly show the technique. A year or more back I used a system of double choked lines one with foot loops, and one to my harness. Man it was slow and tedious going up. Also I've only ever done this spikeless ascent on smooth trunked palms, monkey puzzle would give you great friction but nasty little spines.

Its very much like the sit, stand technique for SRT ascent but instead of being on a rope you are using the stem, and the ascenders are replaced by the two lines choked onto the stem with bowlines.

Anyway if you like I'll try to make time tomorrow to put the set up together and photograph it.

SF

Eric Frei · 21st February 2007, 11:09 PM

Boa

What about this idea

Have a girth hitched rope sling with a pulley or dual biners etc and use it as a false crotch ... advance it with a pole a good 10' above you ... prussic up. Hang there, install a foot loop or two (you always have ya lanyard on), maybe have another short climbing line and tie off cinched up to centre D ... then advance the climbing line and repeat.

I have one of those Wolfe Garten poles, you'll get a good 12' out of it, once you've prussicked that you just got to think about staying secured whilst you get the weight off your climbing line to advance the show again.

Sean Freeman · 21st February 2007, 11:13 PM

Yes like that much better than the way I've done it

We have lots of short lines (Don't ask why or how!!

) but have never had the attachment for extendable pole saw handle to safely advance the line.

Yep prefer your method definately.

SF

TREE-SURFER · 21st February 2007, 11:22 PM

I think the two of you have hit the nail on the head. If two lines were advanced up the trunk and use 1 for a foot loop, whilst you were advancing your prussik'd line, you stay foot looped and choke off with crossed over flip line. Check in to prussik'd line then advance your foot loop. And so on.
Slow climb, but would get me there.

TREE-SURFER · 21st February 2007, 11:30 PM

The girth hitch idea seems good also. Easy to advance too. Nice 1 Ekka.

Sean Freeman · 21st February 2007, 11:45 PM

Slow on the way up but quick coming down, either false crotch around one of those branch unions and the stem, retrieved from the ground or the choked line with a long tail on the bowline...the longer the better as you descend as far as the tail will reach secure off with the foot loops and lanyard then pull on the tail to retrieve the line above..Ekka's got a vid of that one.

SF

TREE-SURFER · 22nd February 2007, 12:03 AM

Cheers Boa,

which viddy is the 1 Ekka has you speak of.

The Monkey Puzzle and the Bunya is of the same family. Araucaria.
A Scottish bloke years ago was given the nut as a dessert, (A rich food source for the Aborigines I believe). Slipping some into his pocket brought them back to England where he germinated them and grew them and became known as the monkey puzzle.
Some useless information....

Eric Frei · 22nd February 2007, 12:38 AM

Does that Monkey puzzle get big nuts on it?

Do you own a friction saver/cambium saver?

TREE-SURFER · 22nd February 2007, 12:47 AM

Nuts about the size of brazil nuts locals roast em. I been told.

I have a 'home made' friction saver.

Eric Frei · 22nd February 2007, 12:51 AM

Well, just install that up the trunk (correctly) so you can retrieve it when you get back on the ground.

It's gonna suck either way getting up there.

TreeCo · 22nd February 2007, 02:38 AM

I've been using the frog system for over ten years.
New Tribe Frog Climbing System
"CMI Ascemder Kit"
http://gear.sherrilltree.com/iwwida....p=SHE&cat=WORK

I can hit 70ft. with a hand tossed throw line and in this case it may take me up to a dozen throws to get what I want. It looks like the first limbs are at 35 to 40ft. Toss the throw line up over five or ten branches and pull the climbing rope into the tree. Anchor one end around the base of the trunk with a running bowline. Climb SRT up the other end. When in the tree lanyard in and have your buddy untie the running bowline and use the climbing rope is a standard DbRT.

Of course the dual ascenders cost $200. I use mine all of the time and they have paid for themselves many times over. It is quite easy to climb srt 70 or 80ft. This is a very easy to use system.

l2edneck · 23rd February 2007, 02:57 PM

NO MEWPS<-------have no idea what that is.

I'm thinkin a scissor lift like electricians use?Possible Painters lift?

http://www.jlg.com/default.asp

(Personally i would make one cut,at the ground and call it i hate those suckers)

Sean Freeman · 23rd February 2007, 03:23 PM

MEWPS = bucket truck

They are terrible to climb in leave you with little reminders of the unpleasant time for many weeks after.

SF

TREE-SURFER · 23rd February 2007, 07:03 PM

Just like the time when the hydrolics failed on 1 with me in the bascket of a cherry picker. Let me knew my rectum was still working though. Damn thing dropped 10 foot before the safety gadgets took over. Bloody hire companies. Never used 1 since............. Or the hire company.

newguy18 · 8th July 2007, 03:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TREE-SURFER

I think the two of you have hit the nail on the head. If two lines were advanced up the trunk and use 1 for a foot loop, whilst you were advancing your prussik'd line, you stay foot looped and choke off with crossed over flip line. Check in to prussik'd line then advance your foot loop. And so on.
Slow climb, but would get me there.

heck of a lot easier than how i would do it.

TREE-SURFER · 9th July 2007, 05:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by newguy18

heck of a lot easier than how i would do it.

What would you do Newguy, under the circumstances.
It was done as mentioned before.

Quote:

Two lines were advanced up the trunk and used 1 for a foot loop, whilst advancing a prussik'd line, you stay foot looped and choke off with crossed over flip line. Check in to prussik'd line then advance your foot loop.

newguy18 · 9th July 2007, 11:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TREE-SURFER

What would you do Newguy, under the circumstances.
It was done as mentioned before.

This is how I always did trees like that.I did a double safty and litealy walked up the trunk.Ijust fell into one saftey then advanced the other saftey until I reached a suitable limb to tie into.No bs it works it is just really hard.

Eric Frei · 9th July 2007, 04:46 PM

You mean 2 lanyards or 2 life lines????

newguy18 · 10th July 2007, 08:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ekka

You mean 2 lanyards or 2 life lines????

2 fliplines or lanyards.

Eric Frei · 10th July 2007, 09:36 PM

But if you slipped wouldn't you be straight down!

Video for sure, this is news to me and I'm sure others, gotta see this in action.

JohN Dee · 10th July 2007, 10:04 PM

Jeez, that woulda taken forever to get up. Some succeed because they are destined, we succeed because we are determined.

I'm assuming that you double wrapped your lanyards yeah?

Eric Frei · 10th July 2007, 10:10 PM

But if he double wrapped them they'd be bloody terrible to advance and adjust.

newguy18 · 11th July 2007, 02:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ekka

But if you slipped wouldn't you be straight down!

Video for sure, this is news to me and I'm sure others, gotta see this in action.

yes it is a straight shot to the ground if you fall.I will see about video footage it is slow going but effective.I wonder if it is againgst any rules or regulations.I assume no liability if you guys try it and fall.lol

Eric Frei · 11th July 2007, 06:56 PM

Being able to fall out is always gonna be against regulations, to bad if there's a bunch of nasty stubs on the way down.

TREE-SURFER · 12th July 2007, 05:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ekka

Being able to fall out is always gonna be against regulations, to bad if there's a bunch of nasty stubs on the way down.

Being a bit ambitious one day, instead of tending my slack, and advancing like any normal bloke would do, I jumped for another branch, only another inch would have done it, but, missed and dropped back into the saddle and swung into a stob I was using as a foot hold. Damn that hurt like hell.... Busted rib, bruised kidney and inner wall.. Won't do that again

Eric Frei · 12th July 2007, 08:49 PM

Stubs are buggers, dont worry, I have copped my share too.

21st February 2007, 10:28 PM	#1
TREE-SURFER Mature tree Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Isle of Man,UK. Posts: 337	Puzzled by A Monkey! Any suggestions on this one:- Health and safety say "NO Ladders - Too Tall" Health and safety say "NO Scaffold - No Tie in Points" Health and safety say "NO MEWPS - Too close to busy road and fuel station" This sucker has got to be climbed, just to clean up the lower limbs. No Big shot to get a line up there and definitely NO SPIKES. Any Ideas on gettin up there. __________________ The Aerial Arborist Isle of Man Tree Surgeon\| All Aspects of Tree Work What experts say about TOPPING

21st February 2007, 10:47 PM	#2
Eric Frei Admin - Razor sharp and independent 2 X Diploma Level 5 qualified arborist Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,818	That looks a bit like our Bunya pines. Well, this is gonna suck but I think foot loops and a lanyard and a climbing line. It's gonna be slow climb. Maybe get a pole with a hook and advance your climbing line 10' further up the tree so you dont have to reset that every 2 steps. __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

21st February 2007, 10:50 PM	#3
Sean Freeman Monument Status Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Townsville Nth Queensland & Gold Coast Sth Queensland Posts: 1,985	Beaten to the punch! Yes, but it will take me some time to organise photos to clearly show the technique. A year or more back I used a system of double choked lines one with foot loops, and one to my harness. Man it was slow and tedious going up. Also I've only ever done this spikeless ascent on smooth trunked palms, monkey puzzle would give you great friction but nasty little spines. Its very much like the sit, stand technique for SRT ascent but instead of being on a rope you are using the stem, and the ascenders are replaced by the two lines choked onto the stem with bowlines. Anyway if you like I'll try to make time tomorrow to put the set up together and photograph it. SF Last edited by Sean Freeman; 21st February 2007 at 10:51 PM. Reason: Ekkas reply

21st February 2007, 11:09 PM	#4
Eric Frei Admin - Razor sharp and independent 2 X Diploma Level 5 qualified arborist Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,818	Boa What about this idea Have a girth hitched rope sling with a pulley or dual biners etc and use it as a false crotch ... advance it with a pole a good 10' above you ... prussic up. Hang there, install a foot loop or two (you always have ya lanyard on), maybe have another short climbing line and tie off cinched up to centre D ... then advance the climbing line and repeat. I have one of those Wolfe Garten poles, you'll get a good 12' out of it, once you've prussicked that you just got to think about staying secured whilst you get the weight off your climbing line to advance the show again. __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

21st February 2007, 11:22 PM	#6
TREE-SURFER Mature tree Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Isle of Man,UK. Posts: 337	I think the two of you have hit the nail on the head. If two lines were advanced up the trunk and use 1 for a foot loop, whilst you were advancing your prussik'd line, you stay foot looped and choke off with crossed over flip line. Check in to prussik'd line then advance your foot loop. And so on. Slow climb, but would get me there. __________________ The Aerial Arborist Isle of Man Tree Surgeon\| All Aspects of Tree Work What experts say about TOPPING

21st February 2007, 11:13 PM	#5
Sean Freeman Monument Status Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Townsville Nth Queensland & Gold Coast Sth Queensland Posts: 1,985	Yes like that much better than the way I've done it We have lots of short lines (Don't ask why or how!! ) but have never had the attachment for extendable pole saw handle to safely advance the line. Yep prefer your method definately. SF

21st February 2007, 11:30 PM	#7
TREE-SURFER Mature tree Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Isle of Man,UK. Posts: 337	The girth hitch idea seems good also. Easy to advance too. Nice 1 Ekka. __________________ The Aerial Arborist Isle of Man Tree Surgeon\| All Aspects of Tree Work What experts say about TOPPING

21st February 2007, 11:45 PM	#8
Sean Freeman Monument Status Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Townsville Nth Queensland & Gold Coast Sth Queensland Posts: 1,985	Slow on the way up but quick coming down, either false crotch around one of those branch unions and the stem, retrieved from the ground or the choked line with a long tail on the bowline...the longer the better as you descend as far as the tail will reach secure off with the foot loops and lanyard then pull on the tail to retrieve the line above..Ekka's got a vid of that one. SF

22nd February 2007, 12:03 AM	#9
TREE-SURFER Mature tree Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Isle of Man,UK. Posts: 337	Cheers Boa, which viddy is the 1 Ekka has you speak of. The Monkey Puzzle and the Bunya is of the same family. Araucaria. A Scottish bloke years ago was given the nut as a dessert, (A rich food source for the Aborigines I believe). Slipping some into his pocket brought them back to England where he germinated them and grew them and became known as the monkey puzzle. Some useless information.... __________________ The Aerial Arborist Isle of Man Tree Surgeon\| All Aspects of Tree Work What experts say about TOPPING

22nd February 2007, 12:38 AM	#10
Eric Frei Admin - Razor sharp and independent 2 X Diploma Level 5 qualified arborist Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,818	Does that Monkey puzzle get big nuts on it? Do you own a friction saver/cambium saver? __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

22nd February 2007, 12:47 AM	#11
TREE-SURFER Mature tree Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Isle of Man,UK. Posts: 337	Nuts about the size of brazil nuts locals roast em. I been told. I have a 'home made' friction saver. __________________ The Aerial Arborist Isle of Man Tree Surgeon\| All Aspects of Tree Work What experts say about TOPPING

22nd February 2007, 12:51 AM	#12
Eric Frei Admin - Razor sharp and independent 2 X Diploma Level 5 qualified arborist Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,818	Well, just install that up the trunk (correctly) so you can retrieve it when you get back on the ground. It's gonna suck either way getting up there. __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

22nd February 2007, 02:38 AM	#13
TreeCo Mature tree Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Georgia, USA Posts: 307	I've been using the frog system for over ten years. New Tribe Frog Climbing System "CMI Ascemder Kit" http://gear.sherrilltree.com/iwwida....p=SHE&cat=WORK I can hit 70ft. with a hand tossed throw line and in this case it may take me up to a dozen throws to get what I want. It looks like the first limbs are at 35 to 40ft. Toss the throw line up over five or ten branches and pull the climbing rope into the tree. Anchor one end around the base of the trunk with a running bowline. Climb SRT up the other end. When in the tree lanyard in and have your buddy untie the running bowline and use the climbing rope is a standard DbRT. Of course the dual ascenders cost $200. I use mine all of the time and they have paid for themselves many times over. It is quite easy to climb srt 70 or 80ft. This is a very easy to use system.

23rd February 2007, 02:57 PM	#14
l2edneck Palm Tree Rat Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Florida Posts: 46	NO MEWPS<-------have no idea what that is. I'm thinkin a scissor lift like electricians use?Possible Painters lift? http://www.jlg.com/default.asp (Personally i would make one cut,at the ground and call it i hate those suckers)

23rd February 2007, 03:23 PM	#15
Sean Freeman Monument Status Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Townsville Nth Queensland & Gold Coast Sth Queensland Posts: 1,985	MEWPS = bucket truck They are terrible to climb in leave you with little reminders of the unpleasant time for many weeks after. SF

23rd February 2007, 07:03 PM	#16
TREE-SURFER Mature tree Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Isle of Man,UK. Posts: 337	Just like the time when the hydrolics failed on 1 with me in the bascket of a cherry picker. Let me knew my rectum was still working though. Damn thing dropped 10 foot before the safety gadgets took over. Bloody hire companies. Never used 1 since............. Or the hire company. __________________ The Aerial Arborist Isle of Man Tree Surgeon\| All Aspects of Tree Work What experts say about TOPPING

9th July 2007, 04:46 PM	#20
Eric Frei Admin - Razor sharp and independent 2 X Diploma Level 5 qualified arborist Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,818	You mean 2 lanyards or 2 life lines???? __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

10th July 2007, 09:36 PM	#22
Eric Frei Admin - Razor sharp and independent 2 X Diploma Level 5 qualified arborist Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,818	But if you slipped wouldn't you be straight down! Video for sure, this is news to me and I'm sure others, gotta see this in action. __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

10th July 2007, 10:04 PM	#23
JohN Dee Moderator Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Climbing around the world Posts: 855	Jeez, that woulda taken forever to get up. Some succeed because they are destined, we succeed because we are determined. I'm assuming that you double wrapped your lanyards yeah? __________________ We are what we repeatedly do... Excellence then, is not an act, but HABIT... Red : Green : Blue

10th July 2007, 10:10 PM	#24
Eric Frei Admin - Razor sharp and independent 2 X Diploma Level 5 qualified arborist Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,818	But if he double wrapped them they'd be bloody terrible to advance and adjust. __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

11th July 2007, 06:56 PM	#26
Eric Frei Admin - Razor sharp and independent 2 X Diploma Level 5 qualified arborist Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,818	Being able to fall out is always gonna be against regulations, to bad if there's a bunch of nasty stubs on the way down. __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

12th July 2007, 08:49 PM	#28
Eric Frei Admin - Razor sharp and independent 2 X Diploma Level 5 qualified arborist Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,818	Stubs are buggers, dont worry, I have copped my share too. __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

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