Puzzled by A Monkey!

TREE-SURFER · 21st February 2007, 03:28 AM

Any suggestions on this one:-
Health and safety say "NO Ladders - Too Tall"
Health and safety say "NO Scaffold - No Tie in Points"
Health and safety say "NO MEWPS - Too close to busy road and fuel station"
This sucker has got to be climbed, just to clean up the lower limbs. No Big shot to get a line up there and definitely NO SPIKES.
Any Ideas on gettin up there.
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Ekka · 21st February 2007, 03:47 AM

That looks a bit like our Bunya pines.

Well, this is gonna suck but I think foot loops and a lanyard and a climbing line. It's gonna be slow climb.

Maybe get a pole with a hook and advance your climbing line 10' further up the tree so you dont have to reset that every 2 steps.

Sean Freeman · 21st February 2007, 03:50 AM

Beaten to the punch!

Yes, but it will take me some time to organise photos to clearly show the technique. A year or more back I used a system of double choked lines one with foot loops, and one to my harness. Man it was slow and tedious going up. Also I've only ever done this spikeless ascent on smooth trunked palms, monkey puzzle would give you great friction but nasty little spines.

Its very much like the sit, stand technique for SRT ascent but instead of being on a rope you are using the stem, and the ascenders are replaced by the two lines choked onto the stem with bowlines.

Anyway if you like I'll try to make time tomorrow to put the set up together and photograph it.

SF

Ekka · 21st February 2007, 04:09 AM

Boa

What about this idea

Have a girth hitched rope sling with a pulley or dual biners etc and use it as a false crotch ... advance it with a pole a good 10' above you ... prussic up. Hang there, install a foot loop or two (you always have ya lanyard on), maybe have another short climbing line and tie off cinched up to centre D ... then advance the climbing line and repeat.

I have one of those Wolfe Garten poles, you'll get a good 12' out of it, once you've prussicked that you just got to think about staying secured whilst you get the weight off your climbing line to advance the show again.

Sean Freeman · 21st February 2007, 04:13 AM

Yes like that much better than the way I've done it

We have lots of short lines (Don't ask why or how!!

) but have never had the attachment for extendable pole saw handle to safely advance the line.

Yep prefer your method definately.

SF

TREE-SURFER · 21st February 2007, 04:22 AM

I think the two of you have hit the nail on the head. If two lines were advanced up the trunk and use 1 for a foot loop, whilst you were advancing your prussik'd line, you stay foot looped and choke off with crossed over flip line. Check in to prussik'd line then advance your foot loop. And so on.
Slow climb, but would get me there.

TREE-SURFER · 21st February 2007, 04:30 AM

The girth hitch idea seems good also. Easy to advance too. Nice 1 Ekka.

Sean Freeman · 21st February 2007, 04:45 AM

Slow on the way up but quick coming down, either false crotch around one of those branch unions and the stem, retrieved from the ground or the choked line with a long tail on the bowline...the longer the better as you descend as far as the tail will reach secure off with the foot loops and lanyard then pull on the tail to retrieve the line above..Ekka's got a vid of that one.

SF

TREE-SURFER · 21st February 2007, 05:03 AM

Cheers Boa,

which viddy is the 1 Ekka has you speak of.

The Monkey Puzzle and the Bunya is of the same family. Araucaria.
A Scottish bloke years ago was given the nut as a dessert, (A rich food source for the Aborigines I believe). Slipping some into his pocket brought them back to England where he germinated them and grew them and became known as the monkey puzzle.
Some useless information....

Ekka · 21st February 2007, 05:38 AM

Does that Monkey puzzle get big nuts on it?

Do you own a friction saver/cambium saver?

TREE-SURFER · 21st February 2007, 05:47 AM

Nuts about the size of brazil nuts locals roast em. I been told.

I have a 'home made' friction saver.

Ekka · 21st February 2007, 05:51 AM

Well, just install that up the trunk (correctly) so you can retrieve it when you get back on the ground.

It's gonna suck either way getting up there.

TreeCo · 21st February 2007, 07:38 AM

I've been using the frog system for over ten years.
New Tribe Frog Climbing System
"CMI Ascemder Kit"
http://gear.sherrilltree.com/iwwida....p=SHE&cat=WORK

I can hit 70ft. with a hand tossed throw line and in this case it may take me up to a dozen throws to get what I want. It looks like the first limbs are at 35 to 40ft. Toss the throw line up over five or ten branches and pull the climbing rope into the tree. Anchor one end around the base of the trunk with a running bowline. Climb SRT up the other end. When in the tree lanyard in and have your buddy untie the running bowline and use the climbing rope is a standard DbRT.

Of course the dual ascenders cost $200. I use mine all of the time and they have paid for themselves many times over. It is quite easy to climb srt 70 or 80ft. This is a very easy to use system.

l2edneck · 22nd February 2007, 07:57 PM

NO MEWPS<-------have no idea what that is.

I'm thinkin a scissor lift like electricians use?Possible Painters lift?

http://www.jlg.com/default.asp

(Personally i would make one cut,at the ground and call it i hate those suckers)

Sean Freeman · 22nd February 2007, 08:23 PM

MEWPS = bucket truck

They are terrible to climb in leave you with little reminders of the unpleasant time for many weeks after.

SF

TREE-SURFER · 23rd February 2007, 12:03 AM

Just like the time when the hydrolics failed on 1 with me in the bascket of a cherry picker. Let me knew my rectum was still working though. Damn thing dropped 10 foot before the safety gadgets took over. Bloody hire companies. Never used 1 since............. Or the hire company.

newguy18 · 7th July 2007, 08:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TREE-SURFER

I think the two of you have hit the nail on the head. If two lines were advanced up the trunk and use 1 for a foot loop, whilst you were advancing your prussik'd line, you stay foot looped and choke off with crossed over flip line. Check in to prussik'd line then advance your foot loop. And so on.
Slow climb, but would get me there.

heck of a lot easier than how i would do it.

21st February 2007, 03:28 AM	#1 (permalink)
TREE-SURFER Mature tree Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Isle of Man,UK. Posts: 410	Puzzled by A Monkey! Any suggestions on this one:- Health and safety say "NO Ladders - Too Tall" Health and safety say "NO Scaffold - No Tie in Points" Health and safety say "NO MEWPS - Too close to busy road and fuel station" This sucker has got to be climbed, just to clean up the lower limbs. No Big shot to get a line up there and definitely NO SPIKES. Any Ideas on gettin up there. IMAG0013.JPG __________________ The Aerial Arborist Isle of Man Tree Surgeon\| All Aspects of Tree Work Andy@Aerial-Arborist.co.uk What experts say about TOPPING

21st February 2007, 03:47 AM	#2 (permalink)
Ekka Eric Frei Administrator - Brisbane L5 (Dip) Hort Cert III Arb + some Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 6,916	That looks a bit like our Bunya pines. Well, this is gonna suck but I think foot loops and a lanyard and a climbing line. It's gonna be slow climb. Maybe get a pole with a hook and advance your climbing line 10' further up the tree so you dont have to reset that every 2 steps. __________________ Remember to use the "search" function, if you have answers/questions post them so everyone can benefit. Free Tree and Green Industry Link Directory Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding and Stump Removal Brisbane Brisbane Tree Care, Consultations, Developer, Tree and Arborist Reports Forum Sponsors

21st February 2007, 03:50 AM	#3 (permalink)
Sean Freeman PDF King & Arborist Extrodinaire Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Townsville Nth Queensland & Gold Coast Sth Queensland Posts: 1,671	Beaten to the punch! Yes, but it will take me some time to organise photos to clearly show the technique. A year or more back I used a system of double choked lines one with foot loops, and one to my harness. Man it was slow and tedious going up. Also I've only ever done this spikeless ascent on smooth trunked palms, monkey puzzle would give you great friction but nasty little spines. Its very much like the sit, stand technique for SRT ascent but instead of being on a rope you are using the stem, and the ascenders are replaced by the two lines choked onto the stem with bowlines. Anyway if you like I'll try to make time tomorrow to put the set up together and photograph it. SF Last edited by Sean Freeman : 21st February 2007 at 03:51 AM. Reason: Ekkas reply

21st February 2007, 04:09 AM	#4 (permalink)
Ekka Eric Frei Administrator - Brisbane L5 (Dip) Hort Cert III Arb + some Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 6,916	Boa What about this idea Have a girth hitched rope sling with a pulley or dual biners etc and use it as a false crotch ... advance it with a pole a good 10' above you ... prussic up. Hang there, install a foot loop or two (you always have ya lanyard on), maybe have another short climbing line and tie off cinched up to centre D ... then advance the climbing line and repeat. I have one of those Wolfe Garten poles, you'll get a good 12' out of it, once you've prussicked that you just got to think about staying secured whilst you get the weight off your climbing line to advance the show again. __________________ Remember to use the "search" function, if you have answers/questions post them so everyone can benefit. Free Tree and Green Industry Link Directory Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding and Stump Removal Brisbane Brisbane Tree Care, Consultations, Developer, Tree and Arborist Reports Forum Sponsors

21st February 2007, 04:22 AM	#6 (permalink)
TREE-SURFER Mature tree Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Isle of Man,UK. Posts: 410	I think the two of you have hit the nail on the head. If two lines were advanced up the trunk and use 1 for a foot loop, whilst you were advancing your prussik'd line, you stay foot looped and choke off with crossed over flip line. Check in to prussik'd line then advance your foot loop. And so on. Slow climb, but would get me there. __________________ The Aerial Arborist Isle of Man Tree Surgeon\| All Aspects of Tree Work Andy@Aerial-Arborist.co.uk What experts say about TOPPING

21st February 2007, 04:13 AM	#5 (permalink)
Sean Freeman PDF King & Arborist Extrodinaire Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Townsville Nth Queensland & Gold Coast Sth Queensland Posts: 1,671	Yes like that much better than the way I've done it We have lots of short lines (Don't ask why or how!! ) but have never had the attachment for extendable pole saw handle to safely advance the line. Yep prefer your method definately. SF

21st February 2007, 04:30 AM	#7 (permalink)
TREE-SURFER Mature tree Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Isle of Man,UK. Posts: 410	The girth hitch idea seems good also. Easy to advance too. Nice 1 Ekka. __________________ The Aerial Arborist Isle of Man Tree Surgeon\| All Aspects of Tree Work Andy@Aerial-Arborist.co.uk What experts say about TOPPING

21st February 2007, 04:45 AM	#8 (permalink)
Sean Freeman PDF King & Arborist Extrodinaire Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Townsville Nth Queensland & Gold Coast Sth Queensland Posts: 1,671	Slow on the way up but quick coming down, either false crotch around one of those branch unions and the stem, retrieved from the ground or the choked line with a long tail on the bowline...the longer the better as you descend as far as the tail will reach secure off with the foot loops and lanyard then pull on the tail to retrieve the line above..Ekka's got a vid of that one. SF

21st February 2007, 05:03 AM	#9 (permalink)
TREE-SURFER Mature tree Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Isle of Man,UK. Posts: 410	Cheers Boa, which viddy is the 1 Ekka has you speak of. The Monkey Puzzle and the Bunya is of the same family. Araucaria. A Scottish bloke years ago was given the nut as a dessert, (A rich food source for the Aborigines I believe). Slipping some into his pocket brought them back to England where he germinated them and grew them and became known as the monkey puzzle. Some useless information.... __________________ The Aerial Arborist Isle of Man Tree Surgeon\| All Aspects of Tree Work Andy@Aerial-Arborist.co.uk What experts say about TOPPING

21st February 2007, 05:38 AM	#10 (permalink)
Ekka Eric Frei Administrator - Brisbane L5 (Dip) Hort Cert III Arb + some Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 6,916	Does that Monkey puzzle get big nuts on it? Do you own a friction saver/cambium saver? __________________ Remember to use the "search" function, if you have answers/questions post them so everyone can benefit. Free Tree and Green Industry Link Directory Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding and Stump Removal Brisbane Brisbane Tree Care, Consultations, Developer, Tree and Arborist Reports Forum Sponsors

21st February 2007, 05:47 AM	#11 (permalink)
TREE-SURFER Mature tree Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Isle of Man,UK. Posts: 410	Nuts about the size of brazil nuts locals roast em. I been told. I have a 'home made' friction saver. __________________ The Aerial Arborist Isle of Man Tree Surgeon\| All Aspects of Tree Work Andy@Aerial-Arborist.co.uk What experts say about TOPPING

21st February 2007, 05:51 AM	#12 (permalink)
Ekka Eric Frei Administrator - Brisbane L5 (Dip) Hort Cert III Arb + some Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 6,916	Well, just install that up the trunk (correctly) so you can retrieve it when you get back on the ground. It's gonna suck either way getting up there. __________________ Remember to use the "search" function, if you have answers/questions post them so everyone can benefit. Free Tree and Green Industry Link Directory Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding and Stump Removal Brisbane Brisbane Tree Care, Consultations, Developer, Tree and Arborist Reports Forum Sponsors

21st February 2007, 07:38 AM	#13 (permalink)
TreeCo Mature tree Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Georgia, USA Posts: 259	I've been using the frog system for over ten years. New Tribe Frog Climbing System "CMI Ascemder Kit" http://gear.sherrilltree.com/iwwida....p=SHE&cat=WORK I can hit 70ft. with a hand tossed throw line and in this case it may take me up to a dozen throws to get what I want. It looks like the first limbs are at 35 to 40ft. Toss the throw line up over five or ten branches and pull the climbing rope into the tree. Anchor one end around the base of the trunk with a running bowline. Climb SRT up the other end. When in the tree lanyard in and have your buddy untie the running bowline and use the climbing rope is a standard DbRT. Of course the dual ascenders cost $200. I use mine all of the time and they have paid for themselves many times over. It is quite easy to climb srt 70 or 80ft. This is a very easy to use system.

22nd February 2007, 07:57 PM	#14 (permalink)
l2edneck Palm Tree Rat Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Florida Posts: 49	NO MEWPS<-------have no idea what that is. I'm thinkin a scissor lift like electricians use?Possible Painters lift? http://www.jlg.com/default.asp (Personally i would make one cut,at the ground and call it i hate those suckers)

22nd February 2007, 08:23 PM	#15 (permalink)
Sean Freeman PDF King & Arborist Extrodinaire Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Townsville Nth Queensland & Gold Coast Sth Queensland Posts: 1,671	MEWPS = bucket truck They are terrible to climb in leave you with little reminders of the unpleasant time for many weeks after. SF

23rd February 2007, 12:03 AM	#16 (permalink)
TREE-SURFER Mature tree Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Isle of Man,UK. Posts: 410	Just like the time when the hydrolics failed on 1 with me in the bascket of a cherry picker. Let me knew my rectum was still working though. Damn thing dropped 10 foot before the safety gadgets took over. Bloody hire companies. Never used 1 since............. Or the hire company. __________________ The Aerial Arborist Isle of Man Tree Surgeon\| All Aspects of Tree Work Andy@Aerial-Arborist.co.uk What experts say about TOPPING