Pollarding pic help please

matty f · 27th March 2007, 02:57 PM

I spose lime and populars are the traditional street tree's but people complain about sap and aphid secreation there size ect......

Many of the street trees i have delt with were originally done in the 40's! i suppose when labour was cheap and insurance was not an issue and they probably where done every few years.......there is an avenue of plains limes and beach in a local town that havnt been re pollared since the 50's i doubt they ever will be done again but you can still see the original pollard bowls that the new frame work has taken.....i felled one of them it was a beach that had died,and there was no worrying decay found when i ringed it up!wich very supprised me.

limes decay pretty fast not as bad as popular but i would say they are the most commonly traditionally pollarded/hacked tree in europe...most molested ones i work on have great cavities from previous topping wounds!

Tim Craig · 27th March 2007, 03:28 PM

I regularly work on previously pollarded(topped) Limes(Lindens) in Glasgow.

Like you say maybe some done up to 30 years ago, some maybe up to 70/80ft tall. I'm always concious of climbing and rigging off them due to the weak attachment point where previously topped.

Hundreds of years ago in Britain Limes were regularly pollarded to provide extra food for the livestock.

I crown reduce them now mostly, if you thin them they replace the lost foliage easily within one growing season.

I like to climb on Limes(not in the rain) very easy and light to cut with Silky. Rigging them down is ok as well as they have relatively light wood.

Sean Freeman · 31st March 2007, 08:58 PM

Ekka I'll put this PDF in the tree fact threads too, its a very well written piece laying out the essential elements of pollarding and its impacts on tree physiology written in Oct 2006 and focussing on Italian cultural and historical experience. Combine this with the recent(ongoing) study being done at the Ancient Tree Forum and you've got just about all the data anyone could need on the topic.

Pollarding and tree physiology Italy.pdf

Sean

Ekka · 31st March 2007, 09:11 PM

And Boa comes thru with another PDF from his stash.

Now you have to post a couple of links to the relevant areas of that Ancient Tree joint.

Sean Freeman · 31st March 2007, 09:36 PM

Here's the link to the diary of travels through Europe on a discovering pollarding trip..
http://woodlandtrust.org.uk/ancient-...elendiary2.htm
Its not got a lot of analysis but some great photos and interesting reflections on the cultural and historical differences in such a geographically small area.

Again take the time to look around the site as a whole it has some really excellent info and facts, they also really want to hear from Arb people about your experiences with veteran trees...so drop them a line.

Sean

TrevMcRev · 1st April 2007, 12:48 AM

Lotsa great info there already. Bit late but heres some pics form Melbourne.

Some Plane Trees in Armadale with neglected pollards as street trees around powerlines.

And a Plane Tree out front of a pub in Bentleigh East, always pollarded.
I'll get another of this one when dormant.

Sean Freeman · 1st April 2007, 01:43 AM

I'm quessing you get used to looking at Plane trees Trev, but I do think they are a beautiful tree...even though as poor or neglected pollards they're hardly great specimens

Sean

TrevMcRev · 30th April 2007, 05:26 AM

Ok, Boa is gonna hate me for this but...........

Heres a pic that shows the damage done when pollarding.

We didnt initiate the pollarding, that was many years prior. We did maintain it by pruning back the regrowth to the collars for a few years before the owner decided it was enough.

Check out the extent of decay from the initial cutting.

Sorry Ekka, but i dont think i have any pics of the whole tree at any stage prior. Would have been a good example for ya.

Boa.............

The tree was a...........................

Golden Elm.

Sean Freeman · 30th April 2007, 05:31 AM

Yes its just wrong, WRONG WRONG

Nice pics though show quite well the results of the previously poor attempt at pollarding no head there at all just a massive decay.

a_lopa · 30th April 2007, 05:41 AM

Them plane trees are bad to trim early summer (nov-dec)done heaps of them under wires,Got stuck in bendigo once pruning them street trees just before christmas needed a dust mask and it didnt do that much!

osb_mail · 30th April 2007, 07:16 PM

I didn t see any say anything about linden for pollarding I thought they were any of the better tree for this .Sorry no pictures .

Marc · 14th May 2007, 02:01 AM

Only just read this topic, all I can say is pollarding is mostly horrible and nothing more than mutilation; agreed o.k!

But often I have to work on pollarded's, Willow being the most common, and out of intrest I wanted to raise this point,
When re-pollarding do you cut them flush to the old pollard point (well not so flush as to go past the collar and point where it will seal over).
OLr do you leave a 6" stub? The idea being all regrowth will come from that stub and be a sounder point for future regeneration of the pollard?

I'm fairly lucky in being able to attempt re-construction of the crown on a lot of old pollards where ever viable.

People who cut the top of a tree and call that a pollard need there balls chopped off

Marc · 14th May 2007, 02:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ekka

Pollarding is high maintenance. And the repeated trimming every few years is a cost for sure ... so why do it in the first place?

Coz the trees get too big?? So why dont they choose a more appropriate sized tree?

Limes and planes dont self destruct like poplar do they?

I'm just trying to understand the rationale here. In our climate here we dont really have those species nor much pollarding but rampant topping/hatracking in the name of pollading..

A mate of mine had 2 large populars on his "camp site" a branch snapped out of one early last year, he gave me a call and asked me to come out and sort it, unfortunatly I was busy.
So he got someone else to do it, a guy who apparently had been in the biz 20 years, he hat racked them and said he'd made them safe!

My mate was very pleased with the work, so I carefully and diplomatically explained to him about how the tree will need constant maintenance now and be a cash drain, 2 months later they were gone.

Ekka · 14th May 2007, 03:39 AM

Marc

I dont understand these poplars.

If they are left to grow their natural way do they self destruct? Like are they that weak?

Over here the same with some gum trees. Some gums are very prone to limbs getting blown off ... more so than other gums. So a customer asks how to make it safe ......

And hence same, many topped unsafe gums now replace the unsafe gums.

Ekka · 31st May 2007, 05:46 PM

Bump, I still need decent pollard pics.

Of heads cut back properly etc.

pomme · 1st June 2007, 02:17 PM

unfortunatly in the area i work work in the pollarding is done by people with little or no understanding. there were so lovely pollard heads in london pruned every 3 years with hand saws only. but change of tree officer bought in the ms200t and away went any quality of work. anyone out there get as offended as i do when someone goes over your work a few years later and makes a complete abortion of it

31st March 2007, 09:11 PM	#29 (permalink)
Ekka Eric Frei Administrator - Brisbane L5 (Dip) Hort Cert III Arb + some Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 6,943	And Boa comes thru with another PDF from his stash. Now you have to post a couple of links to the relevant areas of that Ancient Tree joint. __________________ Remember to use the "search" function, if you have answers/questions post them so everyone can benefit. Free Tree and Green Industry Link Directory Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding and Stump Removal Brisbane Brisbane Tree Care, Consultations, Developer, Tree and Arborist Reports Forum Sponsors

30th April 2007, 05:31 AM	#34 (permalink)
Sean Freeman PDF King & Arborist Extrodinaire Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Townsville Nth Queensland & Gold Coast Sth Queensland Posts: 1,671	Yes its just wrong, WRONG WRONG Nice pics though show quite well the results of the previously poor attempt at pollarding no head there at all just a massive decay. __________________ Sean Trees are poems that earth writes upon the sky, We fell them down and turn them into paper, That we may record our emptiness. - Kahlil Gibran

30th April 2007, 05:41 AM	#35 (permalink)
a_lopa Over mature heritage tree Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Drouin Posts: 877	Them plane trees are bad to trim early summer (nov-dec)done heaps of them under wires,Got stuck in bendigo once pruning them street trees just before christmas needed a dust mask and it didnt do that much! __________________ Free Tree Industry Link Directory Drouin tree lopping, land clearing and stump removals

30th April 2007, 07:16 PM	#36 (permalink)
osb_mail Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: ohio Posts: 201	linden I didn t see any say anything about linden for pollarding I thought they were any of the better tree for this .Sorry no pictures .

14th May 2007, 03:39 AM	#39 (permalink)
Ekka Eric Frei Administrator - Brisbane L5 (Dip) Hort Cert III Arb + some Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 6,943	Marc I dont understand these poplars. If they are left to grow their natural way do they self destruct? Like are they that weak? Over here the same with some gum trees. Some gums are very prone to limbs getting blown off ... more so than other gums. So a customer asks how to make it safe ...... And hence same, many topped unsafe gums now replace the unsafe gums. __________________ Remember to use the "search" function, if you have answers/questions post them so everyone can benefit. Free Tree and Green Industry Link Directory Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding and Stump Removal Brisbane Brisbane Tree Care, Consultations, Developer, Tree and Arborist Reports Forum Sponsors

27th March 2007, 02:57 PM	#26 (permalink)
matty f Sappling Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: england Posts: 13	I spose lime and populars are the traditional street tree's but people complain about sap and aphid secreation there size ect...... Many of the street trees i have delt with were originally done in the 40's! i suppose when labour was cheap and insurance was not an issue and they probably where done every few years.......there is an avenue of plains limes and beach in a local town that havnt been re pollared since the 50's i doubt they ever will be done again but you can still see the original pollard bowls that the new frame work has taken.....i felled one of them it was a beach that had died,and there was no worrying decay found when i ringed it up!wich very supprised me. limes decay pretty fast not as bad as popular but i would say they are the most commonly traditionally pollarded/hacked tree in europe...most molested ones i work on have great cavities from previous topping wounds!

27th March 2007, 03:28 PM	#27 (permalink)
Tim Craig Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Glasgow, Scotland Posts: 94	I regularly work on previously pollarded(topped) Limes(Lindens) in Glasgow. Like you say maybe some done up to 30 years ago, some maybe up to 70/80ft tall. I'm always concious of climbing and rigging off them due to the weak attachment point where previously topped. Hundreds of years ago in Britain Limes were regularly pollarded to provide extra food for the livestock. I crown reduce them now mostly, if you thin them they replace the lost foliage easily within one growing season. I like to climb on Limes(not in the rain) very easy and light to cut with Silky. Rigging them down is ok as well as they have relatively light wood.

31st March 2007, 08:58 PM	#28 (permalink)
Sean Freeman PDF King & Arborist Extrodinaire Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Townsville Nth Queensland & Gold Coast Sth Queensland Posts: 1,671	Ekka I'll put this PDF in the tree fact threads too, its a very well written piece laying out the essential elements of pollarding and its impacts on tree physiology written in Oct 2006 and focussing on Italian cultural and historical experience. Combine this with the recent(ongoing) study being done at the Ancient Tree Forum and you've got just about all the data anyone could need on the topic. Pollarding and tree physiology Italy.pdf Sean

31st March 2007, 09:36 PM	#30 (permalink)
Sean Freeman PDF King & Arborist Extrodinaire Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Townsville Nth Queensland & Gold Coast Sth Queensland Posts: 1,671	Here's the link to the diary of travels through Europe on a discovering pollarding trip.. http://woodlandtrust.org.uk/ancient-...elendiary2.htm Its not got a lot of analysis but some great photos and interesting reflections on the cultural and historical differences in such a geographically small area. Again take the time to look around the site as a whole it has some really excellent info and facts, they also really want to hear from Arb people about your experiences with veteran trees...so drop them a line. Sean

1st April 2007, 01:43 AM	#32 (permalink)
Sean Freeman PDF King & Arborist Extrodinaire Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Townsville Nth Queensland & Gold Coast Sth Queensland Posts: 1,671	I'm quessing you get used to looking at Plane trees Trev, but I do think they are a beautiful tree...even though as poor or neglected pollards they're hardly great specimens Sean

14th May 2007, 02:01 AM	#37 (permalink)
Marc Sappling Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 17	Only just read this topic, all I can say is pollarding is mostly horrible and nothing more than mutilation; agreed o.k! But often I have to work on pollarded's, Willow being the most common, and out of intrest I wanted to raise this point, When re-pollarding do you cut them flush to the old pollard point (well not so flush as to go past the collar and point where it will seal over). OLr do you leave a 6" stub? The idea being all regrowth will come from that stub and be a sounder point for future regeneration of the pollard? I'm fairly lucky in being able to attempt re-construction of the crown on a lot of old pollards where ever viable. People who cut the top of a tree and call that a pollard need there balls chopped off

31st May 2007, 05:46 PM	#40 (permalink)
Ekka Eric Frei Administrator - Brisbane L5 (Dip) Hort Cert III Arb + some Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 6,943	Bump, I still need decent pollard pics. Of heads cut back properly etc. __________________ Remember to use the "search" function, if you have answers/questions post them so everyone can benefit. Free Tree and Green Industry Link Directory Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding and Stump Removal Brisbane Brisbane Tree Care, Consultations, Developer, Tree and Arborist Reports Forum Sponsors

1st June 2007, 02:17 PM	#41 (permalink)
pomme Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: england Posts: 220	unfortunatly in the area i work work in the pollarding is done by people with little or no understanding. there were so lovely pollard heads in london pruned every 3 years with hand saws only. but change of tree officer bought in the ms200t and away went any quality of work. anyone out there get as offended as i do when someone goes over your work a few years later and makes a complete abortion of it