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1st August 2008, 03:37 PM
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| Sappling Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Mendoza, Argentina
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|  Planting an old palm I have planted this palm http://www.ranabtawi.com/NewPalms/TallPalmBefore.jpg and after almost 2 weeks, it has become into this : http://www.ranabtawi.com/NewPalms/TallPalmAfter.jpg And here is how the root looked like when they brought the tree in: http://www.ranabtawi.com/NewPalms/TreeRoots.jpg What can I do NOW to save it? Or is it too late? Thanks for any help!! Riyad |
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1st August 2008, 04:53 PM
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| PDF King & Arborist Extrodinaire  Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Townsville Nth Queensland & Gold Coast Sth Queensland
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|  Re: Planting an old palm Well based on the pics I would say sadly that things look very dire for your palm...once the apical meristem dies the palm has had it, clumping palms give you the safety net of having multiple apical meristems, one on each of the canes or trunks.....now as to why......(in my opinion) I'm not a great fan of bare rooting any established tree for transplanting, and even those Arborists I know who do on occaision bare root specimens for transplant are very careful with the selection of species and the health and vigour of the tree prior to the transplant. Great care has to be taken to avoid damage to the root mass (beyond the massive damage the whole process does anyway!!) In your final pic of the palm going in there are two anomalies for me... One the base of the palm's root ball does not look right to me, either it was growing in very very shallow soil with rock or an inpenetrable layer below, or the root ball has been severed in the process of lifting the palm out of the ground. Two the root mass is very uneven, perhaps the roots are bent over out of view, but it doesn't appear so.  Here's a NZ company moving palms nk25b15d.jpg nk5b15d.jpg
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2nd August 2008, 02:29 AM
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| Re: Planting an old palm This post in this thread has some documents to show what has happened there is simply NOT ON and you have been RIPPED OFF. Palm Transplanting| Phoenix canariensis| Canary Island Date Palm in Brisbane dead?
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2nd August 2008, 08:06 AM
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| Sappling Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Mendoza, Argentina
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| Re: Planting an old palm Well.. Just had a meeting with the palm guy, and he will replace it free of charge, with maybe a phoenix palm tree.. This time I will make sure he gets it with a lot bigger/healthier root Thanks for all your advice Riyad |
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2nd August 2008, 01:02 PM
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| Sappling Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Mendoza, Argentina
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| Re: Planting an old palm Yes for sure very powerful guys! I have an acre of fantastibulous land in Mendoza - Argentina which is my 2nd home. I have planted a ton of trees there all from scratch(small) and now they are huge and healthy I will definitely come back here and seek out out help when something goes astray. Best site for the earth. Glad to have stopped by Thank to all who helped out! And here is my webstie: ranabtawi.com Riyad |
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5th August 2008, 03:32 PM
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| Sappling Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Mendoza, Argentina
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| Re: Planting an old palm One point I forgot to mention, for the next palm planting and that is the palm guy dug the hole too deep, and he said it was just fine to plant the tree including part of the trunk.. Is that true or myth? Thanks again |
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5th August 2008, 11:00 PM
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| Mature tree  Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Lincoln England
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6th August 2008, 06:34 AM
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| Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Austin, Texas
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| Re: Planting an old palm I'm not endorsing the methods used in the planting your palm, but I have seen bare root palms successfully transplanted. The existing fronds on the tree will likely all wither and die. The one frond you want to keep your eye on is the newest one at the very top of the plant. If that one survives the next 6 months, the tree will likely survive. Don't cut any of the fronds off until they have completely browned out. As long as they are green, they're working for the tree. Supplemental water will be required - frequently for the first year - be careful not to keep it too wet. And you might want to document the problem to your "palm guy" if he has any kind of warranty on his plantings. For additional palms, look for someone else. You frequently will get what you pay for........ |
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6th August 2008, 06:44 AM
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| Sappling Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Mendoza, Argentina
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| Re: Planting an old palm Quote:
I am afraid that would kill the palm, no? So far it hasn't gone worse ... | |
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11th November 2008, 08:51 AM
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| Sappling Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Mendoza, Argentina
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| Re: Planting an old palm - Again Ok guys.. I planted this palm a couple of months ago, and this is what is happening to it now.. It had great roots. Could it have found its doom? What can I do to reverse this? Thanks! |
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11th November 2008, 11:06 AM
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| Mature tree Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Lincoln England
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| Re: Planting an old palm Im no specialist on palms (yet) but i would say that because you have healthy vigorus green growth on one side the plant is still photosinthicising therefore living and doing well ish.
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11th November 2008, 11:39 AM
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| Mature tree Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Lincoln England
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| Re: Planting an old palm Told you i wasn'ta palm specialist however is the plant being watered. was it fed, mulched, was the soil prepared before planting was the plant healthy before being planted, were the roots damaged on transplanting is the soil too acidic/ alkaline? these are all relevant questions that need to be looked at before deciding what is wrong with the plant.
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11th November 2008, 11:52 AM
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| Part of the Furniture  Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Dead twig Florida.
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| Re: Planting an old palm what was the saline content of the soil?how about magnesium?Palms call for both.
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11th November 2008, 10:13 PM
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| Mature tree  Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Bay Area Ca.
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| Re: Planting an old palm Iv'e seen mature palms planted at different depths to acheive even height. I think it's pretty much accepted, or was at one time. Not sure how good it is for the plant. Doesn't sound good. Drainage can be very important for mature transplants. Not sure about your palm but Its common for transplants to lose and regrow foliage. |
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