palms

ropensaddle · 2nd January 2008, 05:03 PM

I have climbed most trees in my land,I have never been to a coast
or climbed a palm tree. They appear to be a challenge and high maintenance am I correct?
The blue gum euc's you have are cool too!

Eric Frei · 2nd January 2008, 05:11 PM

There's many types but generally they suck!

You need to know the bore wing cut and frankly if you dont one hand with a top handled saw you'll be to darn slow!

ropensaddle · 2nd January 2008, 05:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ekka

There's many types but generally they suck!

You need to know the bore wing cut and frankly if you dont one hand with a top handled saw you'll be to darn slow!

I one hand, as you will be too darned slow on some of the trees
I climb here. Bore cut I am familiar with even though I have not
used much. Bore wing

Eric Frei · 2nd January 2008, 05:59 PM

First of all Ole Jim1NZ found out about the problem in the pics of this thread, I've linked to the post from where you need to read on, look at the pics.

Jim1NZ downunder

And I must have overlooked posting that video here on TW, but it's there now, this is also another person new to palms getting caught.

The Bore wing|borewing| bore-wing cut for palms

Here's one of the pics.

shaggs · 4th January 2008, 09:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ropensaddle

I have climbed most trees in my land,I have never been to a coast
or climbed a palm tree. They appear to be a challenge and high maintenance am I correct?
The blue gum euc's you have are cool too!

High maintenance!!!! Your right there mate.
High maintenance on saws, gear, chipper (if you chip). They're darn heavy and out here people lurv having a gazillion of them around their pool

There are alot worse than the ol' weed coco's palm, you get used to them and they do bring in alot of work

Definately an aquired taste and technique as Ekka described

dannyboysfc · 4th January 2008, 06:44 PM

I was scared of them at first, now I love takin them down. My tallest being a 70 foot tall Washingtonia Robusta or Mexican Fan Palm, they are all over the place here in CA.

Jeff Darby · 4th January 2008, 07:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dannyboysfc

I was scared of them at first, now I love takin them down. My tallest being a 70 foot tall Washingtonia Robusta or Mexican Fan Palm, they are all over the place here in CA.

Becareful, dannyboysfc, These palms will and can kill you quick smart,A bit of fear up there helps to keep you much safer.

Eric Frei · 4th January 2008, 07:30 PM

I got a doozy livistonea coming up very soon, that's if they dont cancel, might have to helcam it eh?

Therrin · 4th January 2008, 07:38 PM

I know this is a really vague question, but I'm lookin for a ballpark answer.

Say you've got a palm that's 12" dia. What would a 12" tall block of that weigh? (for a live palm) Again, I know I didn't say what type of palm and such, just throw me a rough number for poundage. I guess I didn't realize how heavy the darn things are.

shaggs · 4th January 2008, 08:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JayD

Becareful, dannyboysfc, These palms will and can kill you quick smart,A bit of fear up there helps to keep you much safer.

Fear is there to keep you alive....And when it goes wrong Pain is there to tell you you're still alive!

With a bit of one, you shouldn't have the other!

Jeff Darby · 4th January 2008, 08:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shaggs

Fear is there to keep you alive....And when it goes wrong Pain is there to tell you you're still alive!

With a bit of one, you shouldn't have the other!

......LOL......

Eric Frei · 4th January 2008, 09:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Therrin

I know this is a really vague question, but I'm lookin for a ballpark answer.

Say you've got a palm that's 12" dia. What would a 12" tall block of that weigh? (for a live palm) Again, I know I didn't say what type of palm and such, just throw me a rough number for poundage. I guess I didn't realize how heavy the darn things are.

Well, most palm logs sink in a salt water pool so they weigh more than 1000kgm3

Based on that and assuming your palm is 0.3m dia and a piece is cut 0.3m high, the volume of such a piece would be 0.02121m3

Multiply that by 1000 is 21.21kg or 46.76lb

newguy18 · 5th January 2008, 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ekka

I got a doozy livistonea coming up very soon, that's if they dont cancel, might have to helcam it eh?

Please do.

shaggs · 5th January 2008, 05:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ekka

I got a doozy livistonea coming up very soon, that's if they dont cancel, might have to helcam it eh?

Yeah, always up for a (doozy) movie!

JohN Dee · 5th January 2008, 08:24 PM

Palms are great fun to takedown with great challenges and rewards IMO.

My most challenging/funnest Palm td was probably a 12 metre Washy with a full beard. Everything was good about that job. I conquered my first full bearded washy (thanks Trev for the basic technique) and I got the exact price I asked for it.

Eric Frei · 5th January 2008, 08:38 PM

Yeah, how many wasp nests did you have in that beard?

JohN Dee · 5th January 2008, 09:05 PM

Not one wasp. But a bird flew out at me

The whole time Ive been climbing trees I've never once been bitten by anything whilst in the tree. On the ground I've been bitten by a huntsmen spider and some bug that loves blackbutts, but that's it.

newguy18 · 6th January 2008, 04:23 AM

We have brown recluse spiders that love the silverback palmetto here.They've been known to kill people.

Eric Frei · 6th January 2008, 05:57 AM

You get a lot of bugs and wasps in those here. I'd say it was one of those itchy caterpillars that got ya in the blackbutt or a stink beetle pissed on ya!

shaggs · 6th January 2008, 08:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohN Dee

Palms are great fun to takedown with great challenges and rewards IMO.

My most challenging/funnest Palm td was probably a 12 metre Washy with a full beard. Everything was good about that job. I conquered my first full bearded washy (thanks Trev for the basic technique) and I got the exact price I asked for it.

How many bandais you need after that one!!!

newguy18 · 6th January 2008, 10:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ekka

You get a lot of bugs and wasps in those here. I'd say it was one of those itchy caterpillars that got ya in the blackbutt or a stink beetle pissed on ya!

Yeah I know.I dropped a small palm for the church once and when the head smacked the ground about a million love bugs came out and swarmed.I hate love bugs.

JohN Dee · 6th January 2008, 11:33 AM

Got a few cuts before I put on my gloves, after that I was fine.

Nah it wasn't a stink bug or an "itchy" bug. I was chipping the canopy and It bit me under my 3 layers of shirts. It kinda looked like a roach but had a more gnarly look. It had big straw like feelers, black and orange and a nice set of fangs on it. Every blackbutt I've cut down has them...

newguy18 · 6th January 2008, 03:20 PM

we have those same bugs here.They're a beetle of some sort but I'm not sure of thier name.

Steve Tipton · 6th January 2008, 08:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohN Dee

Got a few cuts before I put on my gloves, after that I was fine.

Nah it wasn't a stink bug or an "itchy" bug. I was chipping the canopy and It bit me under my 3 layers of shirts. It kinda looked like a roach but had a more gnarly look. It had big straw like feelers, black and orange and a nice set of fangs on it. Every blackbutt I've cut down has them...

Sounds like a Jewell Beetle

ropensaddle · 7th January 2008, 11:06 AM

Having never worked on a palm before I am trying to
understand the science. Trimming them is mainly taking
the dead fronds off close to the head without damaging
it and fronds that stalks grow downward am I correct?
Do you cut the with a saw or knife? Does it suck to trim
them without spurs and where should you position to
cut them? Do you I suppose create a false crotch?

ropensaddle · 7th January 2008, 11:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by newguy18

We have brown recluse spiders that love the silverback palmetto here.They've been known to kill people.

I have been bit by at least one,my worst worry since getting nailed and
having to bailout is baldfaced hornets and scorpions! I jumped near 15
feet to evade hornets once, got stung many times and could not take
it anymore so unhooked and jumped, my stinking knot was sappy and
did not want to cooperate it really sucked. Sprang my ankle and limp
ran to the truck and even though not allergic had to go get a shot
on that one was starting to pass out!

newguy18 · 7th January 2008, 12:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ropensaddle

Having never worked on a palm before I am trying to
understand the science. Trimming them is mainly taking
the dead fronds off close to the head without damaging
it and fronds that stalks grow downward am I correct?
Do you cut the with a saw or knife? Does it suck to trim
them without spurs and where should you position to
cut them? Do you I suppose create a false crotch?

I have seen some people use a bull line with a pulley to thread the climb line from the ground and then anchor it to the base of the tree with a portawrap.I suppose you could even use foot loops but I use hooks on them.I don't trust fronds to hold my weight.you got the trimming pretty much down but its best like any tree[if you can call them that]to take as little living foliage off.You use a chainsaw or handsaw.[you could use a knife if you want to heman it]

Sean Freeman · 7th January 2008, 12:43 PM

Ropensaddle try reading through this Palms - Landscape plants - Edward F. Gilman - UF/IFAS

ropensaddle · 7th January 2008, 01:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sean Freeman

Ropensaddle try reading through this Palms - Landscape plants - Edward F. Gilman - UF/IFAS

Thanks it is interesting! I will probably never have the opportunity
to climb a palm but like the out of norm to learn more on differences
in other regions!

shaggs · 7th January 2008, 08:25 PM

And this is what it they do to your equipment!

2nd January 2008, 05:03 PM	#1
ropensaddle Sappling Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Arkansas Posts: 47	palms I have climbed most trees in my land,I have never been to a coast or climbed a palm tree. They appear to be a challenge and high maintenance am I correct? The blue gum euc's you have are cool too!

2nd January 2008, 05:11 PM	#2
Eric Frei Admin - Owner Palm & Tree Services in Brisbane Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,994	Re: palms There's many types but generally they suck! You need to know the bore wing cut and frankly if you dont one hand with a top handled saw you'll be to darn slow! __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Palm and Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

2nd January 2008, 05:59 PM	#4
Eric Frei Admin - Owner Palm & Tree Services in Brisbane Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,994	Re: palms First of all Ole Jim1NZ found out about the problem in the pics of this thread, I've linked to the post from where you need to read on, look at the pics. Jim1NZ downunder And I must have overlooked posting that video here on TW, but it's there now, this is also another person new to palms getting caught. The Bore wing\|borewing\| bore-wing cut for palms Here's one of the pics. __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Palm and Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

4th January 2008, 06:44 PM	#6
dannyboysfc Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: California Posts: 181	Re: palms I was scared of them at first, now I love takin them down. My tallest being a 70 foot tall Washingtonia Robusta or Mexican Fan Palm, they are all over the place here in CA.

4th January 2008, 07:30 PM	#8
Eric Frei Admin - Owner Palm & Tree Services in Brisbane Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,994	Re: palms I got a doozy livistonea coming up very soon, that's if they dont cancel, might have to helcam it eh? __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Palm and Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

4th January 2008, 07:38 PM	#9
Therrin Former Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Bakersfield, Ca Posts: 2,497	Re: palms I know this is a really vague question, but I'm lookin for a ballpark answer. Say you've got a palm that's 12" dia. What would a 12" tall block of that weigh? (for a live palm) Again, I know I didn't say what type of palm and such, just throw me a rough number for poundage. I guess I didn't realize how heavy the darn things are.

5th January 2008, 08:24 PM	#15
JohN Dee Moderator Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Climbing around the world Posts: 848	Re: palms Palms are great fun to takedown with great challenges and rewards IMO. My most challenging/funnest Palm td was probably a 12 metre Washy with a full beard. Everything was good about that job. I conquered my first full bearded washy (thanks Trev for the basic technique) and I got the exact price I asked for it. __________________ We are what we repeatedly do... Excellence then, is not an act, but HABIT... Red : Green : Blue

5th January 2008, 08:38 PM	#16
Eric Frei Admin - Owner Palm & Tree Services in Brisbane Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,994	Re: palms Yeah, how many wasp nests did you have in that beard? __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Palm and Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

5th January 2008, 09:05 PM	#17
JohN Dee Moderator Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Climbing around the world Posts: 848	Re: palms Not one wasp. But a bird flew out at me The whole time Ive been climbing trees I've never once been bitten by anything whilst in the tree. On the ground I've been bitten by a huntsmen spider and some bug that loves blackbutts, but that's it. __________________ We are what we repeatedly do... Excellence then, is not an act, but HABIT... Red : Green : Blue

6th January 2008, 04:23 AM	#18
newguy18 Part of the Furniture Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: orlando,fl Posts: 4,948	Re: palms We have brown recluse spiders that love the silverback palmetto here.They've been known to kill people. __________________ Have your say join us today. old schooler

6th January 2008, 05:57 AM	#19
Eric Frei Admin - Owner Palm & Tree Services in Brisbane Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,994	Re: palms You get a lot of bugs and wasps in those here. I'd say it was one of those itchy caterpillars that got ya in the blackbutt or a stink beetle pissed on ya! __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Palm and Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

6th January 2008, 11:33 AM	#22
JohN Dee Moderator Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Climbing around the world Posts: 848	Re: palms Got a few cuts before I put on my gloves, after that I was fine. Nah it wasn't a stink bug or an "itchy" bug. I was chipping the canopy and It bit me under my 3 layers of shirts. It kinda looked like a roach but had a more gnarly look. It had big straw like feelers, black and orange and a nice set of fangs on it. Every blackbutt I've cut down has them... __________________ We are what we repeatedly do... Excellence then, is not an act, but HABIT... Red : Green : Blue

6th January 2008, 03:20 PM	#23
newguy18 Part of the Furniture Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: orlando,fl Posts: 4,948	Re: palms we have those same bugs here.They're a beetle of some sort but I'm not sure of thier name. __________________ Have your say join us today. old schooler

7th January 2008, 11:06 AM	#25
ropensaddle Sappling Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Arkansas Posts: 47	Re: palms Having never worked on a palm before I am trying to understand the science. Trimming them is mainly taking the dead fronds off close to the head without damaging it and fronds that stalks grow downward am I correct? Do you cut the with a saw or knife? Does it suck to trim them without spurs and where should you position to cut them? Do you I suppose create a false crotch?

7th January 2008, 12:43 PM	#28
Sean Freeman Veteran Heritage Status Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Townsville Nth Queensland & Gold Coast Sth Queensland Posts: 1,981	Re: palms Ropensaddle try reading through this Palms - Landscape plants - Edward F. Gilman - UF/IFAS

7th January 2008, 08:25 PM	#30
shaggs Mature tree Join Date: May 2007 Location: sydney Posts: 419	Re: palms And this is what it they do to your equipment! Attached Thumbnails

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