palms

ropensaddle · 6th January 2008, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by newguy18

We have brown recluse spiders that love the silverback palmetto here.They've been known to kill people.

I have been bit by at least one,my worst worry since getting nailed and
having to bailout is baldfaced hornets and scorpions! I jumped near 15
feet to evade hornets once, got stung many times and could not take
it anymore so unhooked and jumped, my stinking knot was sappy and
did not want to cooperate it really sucked. Sprang my ankle and limp
ran to the truck and even though not allergic had to go get a shot
on that one was starting to pass out!

newguy18 · 6th January 2008, 06:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ropensaddle

Having never worked on a palm before I am trying to
understand the science. Trimming them is mainly taking
the dead fronds off close to the head without damaging
it and fronds that stalks grow downward am I correct?
Do you cut the with a saw or knife? Does it suck to trim
them without spurs and where should you position to
cut them? Do you I suppose create a false crotch?

I have seen some people use a bull line with a pulley to thread the climb line from the ground and then anchor it to the base of the tree with a portawrap.I suppose you could even use foot loops but I use hooks on them.I don't trust fronds to hold my weight.you got the trimming pretty much down but its best like any tree[if you can call them that]to take as little living foliage off.You use a chainsaw or handsaw.[you could use a knife if you want to heman it]

Sean Freeman · 6th January 2008, 06:43 PM

Ropensaddle try reading through this Palms - Landscape plants - Edward F. Gilman - UF/IFAS

ropensaddle · 6th January 2008, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Sean Freeman

Ropensaddle try reading through this Palms - Landscape plants - Edward F. Gilman - UF/IFAS

Thanks it is interesting! I will probably never have the opportunity
to climb a palm but like the out of norm to learn more on differences
in other regions!

shaggs · 7th January 2008, 02:25 AM

And this is what it they do to your equipment!

Ekka · 7th January 2008, 03:08 AM

There's a thread on palm cleaning here.

Palm Cleaning, what we see compared to the customer

Here's the inside of my old 44

ropensaddle · 7th January 2008, 02:08 PM

Well it looks like my husky's would try to bite
me if I put them in a palm

shaggs · 8th January 2008, 03:41 AM

How many years? of palms is that one Ekka?
I'm pretty pedantic about cleaning a saw after every palm day and even lube them up before with spray oil to keep the shyte from penetrating.

Trouble is, once they corrode that protective paint layer.....they're in!

Ekka · 8th January 2008, 04:03 AM

All palm cutting is done with a 44 but I own a 46 for trees and that doesn't get used in palms. Of course the 44 occasionally gets used on trees too.

Sometimes we have multiple jobs with palms in one day.

Sometimes you might have 10 to do and it takes half a day, you aint gonna beat it, corrosion is a fact of life.

Also, having 10 years at this I know for a fact that a regimented cleaning schedule corrodes them faster, of course it will, you open up a new fresh surface more often. I clean now once a week in there and get between 12months and 18 months out of a 44 where as daily cleaning I got 6 months to 9 months.

I even bought a parts washer, real kero and compressor etc and haven't used that set up now for a few years. Now I just blow it out and spray it with INOX.

Also the oil pump corrodes away fast with daily cleaning ritual. I carry a spare at all times and can do a change-over fast in the field.

With daily cleaning ritual new oil pump about every 6 weeks to 2 months. With once a week cleaning about 3 to 5 months.

Leaving the old crap in there forms a barrier against the fresh crap, it only corrodes once, and that first layer becomes a barrier.

Liken it to continually trimming off a branch to expose new wood rather than letting it callus over.

Oh, it also corrodes beneath the paint layer, dont get conned, the paint bubbles off and beneath is a big ugly patch.

newguy18 · 8th January 2008, 05:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ekka

There's a thread on palm cleaning here.

Palm Cleaning, what we see compared to the customer

Here's the inside of my old 44

Got any bondo?

Ekka · 8th January 2008, 05:44 AM

If you look very carefully at the top pic.

Look just behind the bar stud closest to the drive shaft, notice on that shoulder the different coloured material.

That's Selley's Kneed It for metal. Very tough stuff. What happens there is bar oil leaks out coz it corrodes through to the tank. I grind it down maybe 1mm, clean it with acetone, and load it up with the Kneed It stuff like a dentist doing a filling.

Let it harden 2 days then carefully grind it down so everything fits in. Bloody good stuff and as you can see it holds, doesn't allow corrosion. But it's very hard to do it everywhere due to the thickness of it.

I also sand blasted a new saw and tried both epoxy and fibreglass. Took ages to file/touch up/grind bits and pieces to assemble the saw due to the thickness of the coating. Crap, they were blistered off and gone within 2 weeks on the surfaces that really cop it. Also where some did remain it just corroded beneath it.

So stuff it, just buy a new saw every year.

newguy18 · 8th January 2008, 06:05 AM

have you tried quite steel?My dad used that stuff to put a motorcyle block back together.It held in back and forth traffic for 2 years and after that he sold it and it still run.I've repaired exaust leaks with it.Good stuff I think its 3 bucks at any autozone.heres a link to thier website in case you don't have them in oz.
AutoZone.com - Get in the Zone!

Quintrex · 8th January 2008, 11:29 PM

I've had good success with DEVCON to repair alloy.
Pretty expensive, though.

ropensaddle · 8th January 2008, 11:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ekka

If you look very carefully at the top pic.

Look just behind the bar stud closest to the drive shaft, notice on that shoulder the different coloured material.

That's Selley's Kneed It for metal. Very tough stuff. What happens there is bar oil leaks out coz it corrodes through to the tank. I grind it down maybe 1mm, clean it with acetone, and load it up with the Kneed It stuff like a dentist doing a filling.

Let it harden 2 days then carefully grind it down so everything fits in. Bloody good stuff and as you can see it holds, doesn't allow corrosion. But it's very hard to do it everywhere due to the thickness of it.

I also sand blasted a new saw and tried both epoxy and fibreglass. Took ages to file/touch up/grind bits and pieces to assemble the saw due to the thickness of the coating. Crap, they were blistered off and gone within 2 weeks on the surfaces that really cop it. Also where some did remain it just corroded beneath it.

So stuff it, just buy a new saw every year.

Hey may be coat a new saw in critical zones before
using them! I don't have a clue just trying to help
a saw a year man all those spare parts

philinsydney · 9th January 2008, 02:57 AM

There are some really tall Livistonas down in Royal NP. Luckily you'll never have to cut down these dramatic trees.

azrael · 9th January 2008, 04:42 AM

Is that Burning Palms or is it somewhere else in the Royal.

Quintrex · 9th January 2008, 02:37 PM

Looks like Lady Carrington Drive area, or further south towards Stanwell.
lots of Lyre Birds around that area too.

6th January 2008, 06:43 PM	#28 (permalink)
Sean Freeman PDF King & Arborist Extrodinaire Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Townsville Nth Queensland & Gold Coast Sth Queensland Posts: 1,643	Re: palms Ropensaddle try reading through this Palms - Landscape plants - Edward F. Gilman - UF/IFAS __________________ Sean Trees are poems that earth writes upon the sky, We fell them down and turn them into paper, That we may record our emptiness. - Kahlil Gibran

7th January 2008, 03:08 AM	#31 (permalink)
Ekka Eric Frei Administrator - Brisbane L5 (Dip) Hort Cert III Arb + some Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 6,846	Re: palms There's a thread on palm cleaning here. Palm Cleaning, what we see compared to the customer Here's the inside of my old 44 __________________ Remember to use the "search" function, if you have answers/questions post them so everyone can benefit. Free Tree and Green Industry Link Directory Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping Brisbane Tree Care, Consultations and Arborist Reports Forum Sponsors

7th January 2008, 02:08 PM	#32 (permalink)
ropensaddle Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Arkansas Posts: 53	Re: palms Well it looks like my husky's would try to bite me if I put them in a palm

8th January 2008, 03:41 AM	#33 (permalink)
shaggs Mature tree Join Date: May 2007 Location: sydney Posts: 461	Re: palms How many years? of palms is that one Ekka? I'm pretty pedantic about cleaning a saw after every palm day and even lube them up before with spray oil to keep the shyte from penetrating. Trouble is, once they corrode that protective paint layer.....they're in!

8th January 2008, 04:03 AM	#34 (permalink)
Ekka Eric Frei Administrator - Brisbane L5 (Dip) Hort Cert III Arb + some Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 6,846	Re: palms All palm cutting is done with a 44 but I own a 46 for trees and that doesn't get used in palms. Of course the 44 occasionally gets used on trees too. Sometimes we have multiple jobs with palms in one day. Sometimes you might have 10 to do and it takes half a day, you aint gonna beat it, corrosion is a fact of life. Also, having 10 years at this I know for a fact that a regimented cleaning schedule corrodes them faster, of course it will, you open up a new fresh surface more often. I clean now once a week in there and get between 12months and 18 months out of a 44 where as daily cleaning I got 6 months to 9 months. I even bought a parts washer, real kero and compressor etc and haven't used that set up now for a few years. Now I just blow it out and spray it with INOX. Also the oil pump corrodes away fast with daily cleaning ritual. I carry a spare at all times and can do a change-over fast in the field. With daily cleaning ritual new oil pump about every 6 weeks to 2 months. With once a week cleaning about 3 to 5 months. Leaving the old crap in there forms a barrier against the fresh crap, it only corrodes once, and that first layer becomes a barrier. Liken it to continually trimming off a branch to expose new wood rather than letting it callus over. Oh, it also corrodes beneath the paint layer, dont get conned, the paint bubbles off and beneath is a big ugly patch. __________________ Remember to use the "search" function, if you have answers/questions post them so everyone can benefit. Free Tree and Green Industry Link Directory Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping Brisbane Tree Care, Consultations and Arborist Reports Forum Sponsors

8th January 2008, 05:44 AM	#36 (permalink)
Ekka Eric Frei Administrator - Brisbane L5 (Dip) Hort Cert III Arb + some Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 6,846	Re: palms If you look very carefully at the top pic. Look just behind the bar stud closest to the drive shaft, notice on that shoulder the different coloured material. That's Selley's Kneed It for metal. Very tough stuff. What happens there is bar oil leaks out coz it corrodes through to the tank. I grind it down maybe 1mm, clean it with acetone, and load it up with the Kneed It stuff like a dentist doing a filling. Let it harden 2 days then carefully grind it down so everything fits in. Bloody good stuff and as you can see it holds, doesn't allow corrosion. But it's very hard to do it everywhere due to the thickness of it. I also sand blasted a new saw and tried both epoxy and fibreglass. Took ages to file/touch up/grind bits and pieces to assemble the saw due to the thickness of the coating. Crap, they were blistered off and gone within 2 weeks on the surfaces that really cop it. Also where some did remain it just corroded beneath it. So stuff it, just buy a new saw every year. __________________ Remember to use the "search" function, if you have answers/questions post them so everyone can benefit. Free Tree and Green Industry Link Directory Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping Brisbane Tree Care, Consultations and Arborist Reports Forum Sponsors

8th January 2008, 06:05 AM	#37 (permalink)
newguy18 Part of the Furniture Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Live Oak Florida home of the crapiest trees you will ever see. Posts: 2,611	Re: palms have you tried quite steel?My dad used that stuff to put a motorcyle block back together.It held in back and forth traffic for 2 years and after that he sold it and it still run.I've repaired exaust leaks with it.Good stuff I think its 3 bucks at any autozone.heres a link to thier website in case you don't have them in oz. AutoZone.com - Get in the Zone! __________________ Have your say join us today. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xzkd_m4ivmc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xzfzb...eature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-OqK...eature=related

8th January 2008, 11:29 PM	#38 (permalink)
Quintrex Mature tree Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Sydney Posts: 439	Re: palms I've had good success with DEVCON to repair alloy. Pretty expensive, though. __________________ Heightmaster

9th January 2008, 02:57 AM	#40 (permalink)
philinsydney Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Sydney Posts: 76	Re: palms There are some really tall Livistonas down in Royal NP. Luckily you'll never have to cut down these dramatic trees.

9th January 2008, 04:42 AM	#41 (permalink)
azrael Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Earth Australia Posts: 335	Re: palms Is that Burning Palms or is it somewhere else in the Royal.

9th January 2008, 02:37 PM	#42 (permalink)
Quintrex Mature tree Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Sydney Posts: 439	Re: palms Looks like Lady Carrington Drive area, or further south towards Stanwell. lots of Lyre Birds around that area too. __________________ Heightmaster