Palm Identification

Bernard Keays · 15th March 2008, 04:32 PM

Ekka,

Do you know what this palm is? We were trimming two leopard trees on the footpath today and the lady had asked one of the guys for a quote for something when we noticed this unusual palm. Brook recons its got dreadlocks?

Eric Frei · 15th March 2008, 04:48 PM

Interesting.

Looking at first I think Kentia, the stem anyway, however the Kentia leaves droop more. Also kentia fronds are thinner where these are similar to majestic fronds.

Now the flower, could be deformed or fungus ... so I aint 100% sold that's the deal yet.

Good quiz, and palm ID out there is bad I have found, so lets go hunting.

azrael · 16th March 2008, 01:29 PM

How about Lytocaryum weddellianum (Feather Palm) as a guess ... Google Image Result for http://www.pacsoa.org.au/palms/Lytocaryum/weddellianum.jpg

Inflorescence position would help ...and if leaflets are induplicate (V) or reduplicate ... or any other distingushing feature (such as bloom on the underside of leaflets).

Yup ...palms are not easy to ID ... anyway that my (first) guess ...I get 3 goes at it dont I ... (Ekka)????

Eric Frei · 16th March 2008, 03:18 PM

You get as many goes as you like, I searched but cannot find and also haven't seen such a whacko palm before.

I visit the botanical gardens often and haven't seen one there either.

Nice one Bernard

Bernard Keays · 16th March 2008, 04:17 PM

Thanks guys. Ekka...I though it was a kentia palm (H. forsteriana) too when I first saw it but the leaves weren't right. I don't know but could it be another species of kentia (H. belmoreana)? I'm not familiar with Azrael's suggestion either but probably need to read up a bit more on my plant anatomy. The inflorescence was attached to the trunk at the base of the oldest leaf sheath and was slightly pendulous. And what is meant by the term induplicate and reduplicate?

azrael · 16th March 2008, 10:14 PM

Induplicate/reduplicate refers to the how a leaflet is attached to the rachis ... Induplicate leaflets attached with a V and reduplicate leaves attach with upside-down-V (or A for want of a better keyboard symbol).

In fact image 5524 shows these leaflets attach with an inverted V = reduplicate ... sorry I missed it before.

Anyways ... this arrangement seen in the Cocosoideae sub-family or the Arecoidae sub-family ... hence helpful in eliminating the three other sub-families (which have induplicate leaves).

SO we know its got to be from either of these two sub-families ... choices are narrowing .........................................................

mmmm .... bingo ..... Rhopalostylis sapida (Nikau Palm) ... a NZ native Palm

http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=Rhopalostylis+sapida&spell=1PlantFiles: Pictures of Shaving Brush Palm, Nikau Palm (Rhopalostylis sapida)

Bernard Keays · 17th March 2008, 11:14 PM

Thanks...We get the 'odd' Kiwi around here but I didn't know they had their own palms.

macrocarpa · 16th May 2008, 01:24 PM

Bernie,

Your best bet is to ring Stan Walkley at Plantation 2000 Nursery; he's not far from you. He's one of the best palm guys on the face of our wonderful world!

Macro

Bernard Keays · 16th May 2008, 10:16 PM

Thanks Macro...I'm starting to see them every where now. More common than I thought. I went down to Stans nursery about a month ago. He's got an impressive collection of plants (especially his cycads). He had an unusual fig from Mexico and some odd ball stuff from Madagascar and South Africa. I wouldn't mind planting some of his bottle trees either.

Bernard Keays · 19th August 2009, 10:50 PM

A friend of mine sent me this photo asking what type of palm is it?

I thought it might have been a Hyophorbe verschaffeltii (Spindle Palm) but I'm not sure. Does anyone know what it is?

jomoco · 20th August 2009, 02:22 AM

Looks like an Archontophoenix cunninghamiana to me, also known as Seaforthia elegans or king palm. Without seeing the fruit it's hard to be sure.
The king palm fruit is white and resembles dangling octupus legs, and their fronds are self shedding. Might be a hybrid mix of a Kentia and King.

jomoco

macrocarpa · 20th August 2009, 07:46 AM

Bernie, Long time no talk.

Palm in photo is a Majestic palm. Ravanea rivularis. Native to Madagascar, introcedto Australia about 15yrs ago. Grows to be a fairly big stick. Self cleaning so at least we do not have to climb the suckers to clean em.

macro

15th March 2008, 04:32 PM	#1
Bernard Keays Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Glasshouse Posts: 193	Palm Identification Ekka, Do you know what this palm is? We were trimming two leopard trees on the footpath today and the lady had asked one of the guys for a quote for something when we noticed this unusual palm. Brook recons its got dreadlocks? Attached Thumbnails __________________ Bernie

15th March 2008, 04:48 PM	#2
Eric Frei Admin - Owner Palm & Tree Services in Brisbane Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,994	Re: Palm Identification Interesting. Looking at first I think Kentia, the stem anyway, however the Kentia leaves droop more. Also kentia fronds are thinner where these are similar to majestic fronds. Now the flower, could be deformed or fungus ... so I aint 100% sold that's the deal yet. Good quiz, and palm ID out there is bad I have found, so lets go hunting. __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Palm and Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

16th March 2008, 01:29 PM	#3
azrael Former Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Earth Australia Posts: 234	Re: Palm Identification How about Lytocaryum weddellianum (Feather Palm) as a guess ... Google Image Result for http://www.pacsoa.org.au/palms/Lytocaryum/weddellianum.jpg Inflorescence position would help ...and if leaflets are induplicate (V) or reduplicate ... or any other distingushing feature (such as bloom on the underside of leaflets). Yup ...palms are not easy to ID ... anyway that my (first) guess ...I get 3 goes at it dont I ... (Ekka)????

16th March 2008, 03:18 PM	#4
Eric Frei Admin - Owner Palm & Tree Services in Brisbane Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,994	Re: Palm Identification You get as many goes as you like, I searched but cannot find and also haven't seen such a whacko palm before. I visit the botanical gardens often and haven't seen one there either. Nice one Bernard __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Palm and Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

16th March 2008, 04:17 PM	#5
Bernard Keays Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Glasshouse Posts: 193	Re: Palm Identification Thanks guys. Ekka...I though it was a kentia palm (H. forsteriana) too when I first saw it but the leaves weren't right. I don't know but could it be another species of kentia (H. belmoreana)? I'm not familiar with Azrael's suggestion either but probably need to read up a bit more on my plant anatomy. The inflorescence was attached to the trunk at the base of the oldest leaf sheath and was slightly pendulous. And what is meant by the term induplicate and reduplicate? __________________ Bernie

16th March 2008, 10:14 PM	#6
azrael Former Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Earth Australia Posts: 234	Re: Palm Identification Induplicate/reduplicate refers to the how a leaflet is attached to the rachis ... Induplicate leaflets attached with a V and reduplicate leaves attach with upside-down-V (or A for want of a better keyboard symbol). In fact image 5524 shows these leaflets attach with an inverted V = reduplicate ... sorry I missed it before. Anyways ... this arrangement seen in the Cocosoideae sub-family or the Arecoidae sub-family ... hence helpful in eliminating the three other sub-families (which have induplicate leaves). SO we know its got to be from either of these two sub-families ... choices are narrowing ......................................................... mmmm .... bingo ..... Rhopalostylis sapida (Nikau Palm) ... a NZ native Palm http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=Rhopalostylis+sapida&spell=1PlantFiles: Pictures of Shaving Brush Palm, Nikau Palm (Rhopalostylis sapida)

17th March 2008, 11:14 PM	#7
Bernard Keays Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Glasshouse Posts: 193	Re: Palm Identification Thanks...We get the 'odd' Kiwi around here but I didn't know they had their own palms. __________________ Bernie

16th May 2008, 01:24 PM	#8
macrocarpa Sappling Join Date: May 2008 Location: brisbane Posts: 9	Re: Palm Identification Bernie, Your best bet is to ring Stan Walkley at Plantation 2000 Nursery; he's not far from you. He's one of the best palm guys on the face of our wonderful world! Macro

16th May 2008, 10:16 PM	#9
Bernard Keays Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Glasshouse Posts: 193	Re: Palm Identification Thanks Macro...I'm starting to see them every where now. More common than I thought. I went down to Stans nursery about a month ago. He's got an impressive collection of plants (especially his cycads). He had an unusual fig from Mexico and some odd ball stuff from Madagascar and South Africa. I wouldn't mind planting some of his bottle trees either. __________________ Bernie

19th August 2009, 10:50 PM	#10
Bernard Keays Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Glasshouse Posts: 193	Re: Palm Identification A friend of mine sent me this photo asking what type of palm is it? I thought it might have been a Hyophorbe verschaffeltii (Spindle Palm) but I'm not sure. Does anyone know what it is? __________________ Bernie Last edited by Jeff Darby; 19th August 2009 at 11:03 PM. Reason: embed picture

20th August 2009, 02:22 AM	#11
jomoco Sappling Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: San Diego Posts: 43	Re: Palm Identification Looks like an Archontophoenix cunninghamiana to me, also known as Seaforthia elegans or king palm. Without seeing the fruit it's hard to be sure. The king palm fruit is white and resembles dangling octupus legs, and their fronds are self shedding. Might be a hybrid mix of a Kentia and King. jomoco

20th August 2009, 07:46 AM	#12
macrocarpa Sappling Join Date: May 2008 Location: brisbane Posts: 9	Re: Palm Identification Bernie, Long time no talk. Palm in photo is a Majestic palm. Ravanea rivularis. Native to Madagascar, introcedto Australia about 15yrs ago. Grows to be a fairly big stick. Self cleaning so at least we do not have to climb the suckers to clean em. macro

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