Palm Cleaning, what we see compared to the customer

Eric Frei · 31st January 2007, 10:22 PM

Well, they just sort of look up and point and go, yeah that one too. Then we look up and go ...

... crikey,

that's bad, that'll be $90 for that one. And they look at you like you just fleeced them of their life savings.

But here's a comparison from what they see first to what we see second.

This is a Syagrus romanzoffiana, cocos palm.

And what we see, notice the little comment down the bottom.

Drouin Tree Service · 31st January 2007, 10:23 PM

Did them eagles nest things ever take off Ekka?

Eric Frei · 31st January 2007, 10:28 PM

The crows nest, invented by a rubbish remover who couldn't use spikes. lol

BIG FLOP.

By the time he buggerized around with that thing I'd be packing up. lol

Drouin Tree Service · 31st January 2007, 10:44 PM

I couldnt work them out by looking at them!!!

3rd February 2007, 11:43 AM

Those seed pods will just drop off by themselves after a while. The only thing a homeowner needs is a good sturdy ladder and a polesaw to trim off the lowest level of fronds as they die back. No need for the 'pros' to get involved here

MrsEkka · 3rd February 2007, 12:14 PM

In most palm they will, but in cocos palms they will stay unless they are cleaned.

justoon · 5th February 2007, 07:30 AM

eagles nest? crows nest? what are you talking about Ekka and have you got a photo of one? or are you talking about a coconet?

Eric Frei · 5th February 2007, 05:35 PM

It was advertised in the Arborage back in 1998 circa.

A guy from the Gold Coast invented an aluminium platform you stand in to work palms.

Similar to pole platforms used by telco's and power companies it basically gripped the trunk and you could stand in it and do ya job.

Too slow, first you have to get it up there, then get a ladder to climb in it, do ya thing then lower it a bit for the next bit of work.

Back then the guy called himself 4x4 Rubbish Removals with a 4wd 4.495t gvm Canter truck. I think he lived Benowa/Biggera Waters area.

justoon · 5th February 2007, 09:42 PM

Ahh yes i know the thing thing your talking about. Good idea just awkward and time consuming to set up.This is where the whole no spike thing is going though, either EWP or a low impact climbing device.Dont have to reinvent the wheel just have to refine and develop ideas more.Nice photos by the way but have seen those suckers in much worse condition.Is that tree one of your regulars.

Eric Frei · 5th February 2007, 10:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by justoon

Is that tree one of your regulars.

Not any more.

justoon · 6th February 2007, 09:59 AM

was it a case of "Another Palm Slain by Ekka"

or more of a case of "That price is outrageous".

Eric Frei · 6th February 2007, 08:14 PM

Hey, that's a cocos palm with the cage on it. Imagine how much all those stinking ripe berries are gonna weigh and the pong from it ...

... be like berry juice dripping out of it along with a dash of bat guava. lol

Kill'm all I say, filthy things those cocos palms. Disgusting.

There's nice palms, how big do the majestic's get up your way? They dont seem to have frond and fruiting hazards ... never cleaned one in 10 years!

justoon · 7th February 2007, 08:53 AM

We get some big ones and its not a case of them worring about fruit rather heavy fronds falling in public places.Mackay has a heap of them in their CBD and ANZAC park.The royals in this area are all heritage listed.As for the Cocos palms they are also on a maintenence program so the basket does not get anywhere near full.During trials we left one under a cocos for 12months without maintaining it to see what would happen.It filled half the net but didnt stink and caught all those little berries.A well maintained Cocos palm actually is a nice looking Palm you just have to keep on top of it.

Eric Frei · 7th February 2007, 01:21 PM

You could save the council a lot of money and do what the botanic gardens do here with the cubans in the carpark ... strap them and service less frequently.

justoon · 7th February 2007, 01:48 PM

Ekka we do a similar only a little bit higher and clear strapping.The aborist for the council has his quirks and didnt want to use it,opting instead for a split of 6 monthly and 3 monthly servicing.

Jeff Darby · 13th February 2007, 09:12 AM

Hi Folk's,
Thought you mite like to see this, We quoted this palm removals job the other day and here we have a home owners answer to droping berries..we asked him was he aware that the baskets were available commercialy,he said no,so we gave him a pat on the back and a " A " for ingenuity we whacked 8 palms from his backyard a few days later,..all up the job took about 4 hrs not to bad when you consider we were droping these palms between a well maintained and tightly planted garden,his wife talked our heads of after we finished..no damage to her plants,we left this job feeling good.

So true Ekka, the customer doesn't see what we see, and its easy for the untrained eye to get a truck load of waste for $40 bucks..LOL it's a steep learning curve with palms.

Eric Frei · 13th February 2007, 10:33 AM

Ha, good on that customer, but a 100% solution is a good whacking and if you want palms plant a better one.

Nice pic mate.

Eric Frei · 10th January 2008, 07:24 AM

Before and after shot of some attached.

Eric Frei · 10th January 2008, 07:29 AM

This is an old pic pre digital on my website, sometimes you have to remove a whole whirl of fronds.

You can cut flush or a step or chamfer angle etc on the old butts, depends on what was done before a little and what's done to others nearby.... here I cut about a 45 degree angle, on big fat bowl heads I'll cut square steps

The step is good if you want more security for your flip line, something to stand on to get the high pods.

Eric Frei · 9th March 2009, 03:28 PM

And what makes this all the more interesting now is the 2007 revised Australia Standards of Pruning (AS4373-2007) P17 Section 7.4 states:-

Quote:

Climbing devices that wound the stem, such as spikes, should not be used as they may allow entry of decay causing organisms and other pathogens. Care should be taken not to damage the trunk of the palm during the pruning process.

Q.Q. · 13th March 2009, 01:28 AM

Ekka 90 bucks, lucky you.
All my palms out here look worse then that one you showed,all have never been done.
Well I was 75 but gone back to 60 bucks, just sounded more affordiable for them.Did five like that on Monday for 300 neat.
Did one three weeks ago for a lady, she had two to do, when I said sixty bucks each she said I'm not paying that for just cutting a few things out of a palm just do the one.It always amaz's me how supprized they are at the amount of shit on the ground.Guess what, she called me up to do the other one,I suppose I had the last laugh. She had done most of it her self with a ladder so I only charged her 30 bucks,seemed far i suppose.

newguy18 · 13th March 2009, 02:45 PM

My palm rate starts at 50 bucks,thats what i can reaach from the ground to 15'it goes up 20 bucks every 10' after that.Like ekka,i usually get called to whack them.

Jeff Darby · 13th March 2009, 10:25 PM

This is something I see as I get around, a home owner risking his life for the sake of a couple of dollars, no ropes on the ladder or the ladder climber, mum down the bottom being a puesdo brace giving dad a false sence of security....this bloke will probably keep doing this until he ends up stuck in the ground up to his ankles....

For the sake of a couple of dollars...

Done it · 13th March 2009, 11:19 PM

Yeah I see it often. They wait till the ladder doesn't reach anymore then ring, to get them removed.

Got a call on Monday, he got 5 down by himself but the one between the power wires, cable tv & phone needed a pro.

I rushed over straight away of course.

Eric Frei · 14th March 2009, 09:38 PM

JayD,

That man is a fool .... that's an easy drop straight onto the street and into the chipper.

31st January 2007, 10:22 PM	#1
Eric Frei Admin - Razor sharp and independent 2 X Diploma Level 5 qualified arborist Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,820	Palm Cleaning, what we see compared to the customer Well, they just sort of look up and point and go, yeah that one too. Then we look up and go ... ... crikey, that's bad, that'll be $90 for that one. And they look at you like you just fleeced them of their life savings. But here's a comparison from what they see first to what we see second. This is a Syagrus romanzoffiana, cocos palm. And what we see, notice the little comment down the bottom. Attached Thumbnails __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

31st January 2007, 10:23 PM	#2
Drouin Tree Service Veteran Heritage Status Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 1,697	Did them eagles nest things ever take off Ekka? __________________ Drouin Tree Services \| Excavator Hire - Drouin and SE Gippsland \| Landclearing Melbourne

31st January 2007, 10:28 PM	#3
Eric Frei Admin - Razor sharp and independent 2 X Diploma Level 5 qualified arborist Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,820	The crows nest, invented by a rubbish remover who couldn't use spikes. lol BIG FLOP. By the time he buggerized around with that thing I'd be packing up. lol __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

31st January 2007, 10:44 PM	#4
Drouin Tree Service Veteran Heritage Status Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 1,697	I couldnt work them out by looking at them!!! __________________ Drouin Tree Services \| Excavator Hire - Drouin and SE Gippsland \| Landclearing Melbourne

5th February 2007, 07:30 AM	#7
justoon Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Boyne Island Posts: 54	eagles nest? crows nest? what are you talking about Ekka and have you got a photo of one? or are you talking about a coconet? Attached Thumbnails Last edited by justoon; 5th February 2007 at 12:56 PM.

3rd February 2007, 11:43 AM	#5
coveredinsap Posts: n/a	Those seed pods will just drop off by themselves after a while. The only thing a homeowner needs is a good sturdy ladder and a polesaw to trim off the lowest level of fronds as they die back. No need for the 'pros' to get involved here

3rd February 2007, 12:14 PM	#6
MrsEkka Sappling Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 14	In most palm they will, but in cocos palms they will stay unless they are cleaned.

5th February 2007, 05:35 PM	#8
Eric Frei Admin - Razor sharp and independent 2 X Diploma Level 5 qualified arborist Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,820	It was advertised in the Arborage back in 1998 circa. A guy from the Gold Coast invented an aluminium platform you stand in to work palms. Similar to pole platforms used by telco's and power companies it basically gripped the trunk and you could stand in it and do ya job. Too slow, first you have to get it up there, then get a ladder to climb in it, do ya thing then lower it a bit for the next bit of work. Back then the guy called himself 4x4 Rubbish Removals with a 4wd 4.495t gvm Canter truck. I think he lived Benowa/Biggera Waters area. __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

5th February 2007, 09:42 PM	#9
justoon Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Boyne Island Posts: 54	Ahh yes i know the thing thing your talking about. Good idea just awkward and time consuming to set up.This is where the whole no spike thing is going though, either EWP or a low impact climbing device.Dont have to reinvent the wheel just have to refine and develop ideas more.Nice photos by the way but have seen those suckers in much worse condition.Is that tree one of your regulars.

6th February 2007, 09:59 AM	#11
justoon Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Boyne Island Posts: 54	was it a case of "Another Palm Slain by Ekka" or more of a case of "That price is outrageous".

6th February 2007, 08:14 PM	#12
Eric Frei Admin - Razor sharp and independent 2 X Diploma Level 5 qualified arborist Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,820	Hey, that's a cocos palm with the cage on it. Imagine how much all those stinking ripe berries are gonna weigh and the pong from it ... ... be like berry juice dripping out of it along with a dash of bat guava. lol Kill'm all I say, filthy things those cocos palms. Disgusting. There's nice palms, how big do the majestic's get up your way? They dont seem to have frond and fruiting hazards ... never cleaned one in 10 years! __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

7th February 2007, 08:53 AM	#13
justoon Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Boyne Island Posts: 54	We get some big ones and its not a case of them worring about fruit rather heavy fronds falling in public places.Mackay has a heap of them in their CBD and ANZAC park.The royals in this area are all heritage listed.As for the Cocos palms they are also on a maintenence program so the basket does not get anywhere near full.During trials we left one under a cocos for 12months without maintaining it to see what would happen.It filled half the net but didnt stink and caught all those little berries.A well maintained Cocos palm actually is a nice looking Palm you just have to keep on top of it. Attached Thumbnails

7th February 2007, 01:21 PM	#14
Eric Frei Admin - Razor sharp and independent 2 X Diploma Level 5 qualified arborist Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,820	You could save the council a lot of money and do what the botanic gardens do here with the cubans in the carpark ... strap them and service less frequently. Attached Thumbnails __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

7th February 2007, 01:48 PM	#15
justoon Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Boyne Island Posts: 54	Ekka we do a similar only a little bit higher and clear strapping.The aborist for the council has his quirks and didnt want to use it,opting instead for a split of 6 monthly and 3 monthly servicing.

13th February 2007, 09:12 AM	#16
Jeff Darby Moderator - Previously known as JayD Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: TreeWorld, Sydney Australia Posts: 2,031	Berry Baskets/net Hi Folk's, Thought you mite like to see this, We quoted this palm removals job the other day and here we have a home owners answer to droping berries..we asked him was he aware that the baskets were available commercialy,he said no,so we gave him a pat on the back and a " A " for ingenuity we whacked 8 palms from his backyard a few days later,..all up the job took about 4 hrs not to bad when you consider we were droping these palms between a well maintained and tightly planted garden,his wife talked our heads of after we finished..no damage to her plants,we left this job feeling good. So true Ekka, the customer doesn't see what we see, and its easy for the untrained eye to get a truck load of waste for $40 bucks..LOL it's a steep learning curve with palms. Attached Thumbnails __________________ Member: Australian Tree Association Join the Australian Tree Association...Have your voice heard ! Arboriculture, A life long study for some, a passing phase for others © Jeffrey J Darby 2011

13th February 2007, 10:33 AM	#17
Eric Frei Admin - Razor sharp and independent 2 X Diploma Level 5 qualified arborist Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,820	Ha, good on that customer, but a 100% solution is a good whacking and if you want palms plant a better one. Nice pic mate. __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

10th January 2008, 07:24 AM	#18
Eric Frei Admin - Razor sharp and independent 2 X Diploma Level 5 qualified arborist Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,820	Re: Palm Cleaning, what we see compared to the customer Before and after shot of some attached. Attached Thumbnails __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

10th January 2008, 07:29 AM	#19
Eric Frei Admin - Razor sharp and independent 2 X Diploma Level 5 qualified arborist Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,820	Re: Palm Cleaning, what we see compared to the customer This is an old pic pre digital on my website, sometimes you have to remove a whole whirl of fronds. You can cut flush or a step or chamfer angle etc on the old butts, depends on what was done before a little and what's done to others nearby.... here I cut about a 45 degree angle, on big fat bowl heads I'll cut square steps The step is good if you want more security for your flip line, something to stand on to get the high pods. __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

13th March 2009, 01:28 AM	#21
Q.Q. Mature tree Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Western QLD. Australia Posts: 282	Re: Palm Cleaning, what we see compared to the customer Ekka 90 bucks, lucky you. All my palms out here look worse then that one you showed,all have never been done. Well I was 75 but gone back to 60 bucks, just sounded more affordiable for them.Did five like that on Monday for 300 neat. Did one three weeks ago for a lady, she had two to do, when I said sixty bucks each she said I'm not paying that for just cutting a few things out of a palm just do the one.It always amaz's me how supprized they are at the amount of shit on the ground.Guess what, she called me up to do the other one,I suppose I had the last laugh. She had done most of it her self with a ladder so I only charged her 30 bucks,seemed far i suppose. __________________ Q,Q's Tree & Garden Maintenance FAMILARITY BREEDS CONTEMPT

13th March 2009, 02:45 PM	#22
newguy18 Part of the Furniture Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: orlando,fl Posts: 4,977	Re: Palm Cleaning, what we see compared to the customer My palm rate starts at 50 bucks,thats what i can reaach from the ground to 15'it goes up 20 bucks every 10' after that.Like ekka,i usually get called to whack them. __________________ Have your say join us today. old schooler

13th March 2009, 10:25 PM	#23
Jeff Darby Moderator - Previously known as JayD Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: TreeWorld, Sydney Australia Posts: 2,031	Re: Palm Cleaning, what we see compared to the customer This is something I see as I get around, a home owner risking his life for the sake of a couple of dollars, no ropes on the ladder or the ladder climber, mum down the bottom being a puesdo brace giving dad a false sence of security....this bloke will probably keep doing this until he ends up stuck in the ground up to his ankles.... For the sake of a couple of dollars... Attached Thumbnails __________________ Member: Australian Tree Association Join the Australian Tree Association...Have your voice heard ! Arboriculture, A life long study for some, a passing phase for others © Jeffrey J Darby 2011

13th March 2009, 11:19 PM	#24
Done it Over mature heritage tree Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Australia. Posts: 784	Re: Palm Cleaning, what we see compared to the customer Yeah I see it often. They wait till the ladder doesn't reach anymore then ring, to get them removed. Got a call on Monday, he got 5 down by himself but the one between the power wires, cable tv & phone needed a pro. I rushed over straight away of course.

14th March 2009, 09:38 PM	#25
Eric Frei Admin - Razor sharp and independent 2 X Diploma Level 5 qualified arborist Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,820	Re: Palm Cleaning, what we see compared to the customer JayD, That man is a fool .... that's an easy drop straight onto the street and into the chipper. __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

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