New Farm Jacarandas

treeseer

Is that the only way they can manage a leaning tree? How significant, how rapidly was it changing do u know?

Eric Frei

No sorry I dont.

Just been there today again actually, spotted some more woes.

In the childrens playground the middle Ficus bengalensis which has the large propped limb has a large limb above it with some serious dieback, decay, cracking/lifting bark and fruiting bodies.

I have identified the fruiting bodies as Auricularia auricula-judae (Jews Ears)

This is a high target area, also recently they pruned these trees as well as other inspections. This limb is LARGE and should it fail with kids beneath then surely some-ones ass is off the jail.

Here's the series of pics, I just cant believe I keep finding stuff at this place.

The picture below shows the location of the limb in red in relation to the yellow propped limb.


Some issues where limb commences


Picture of a smaller limb coming off it with fungi.


The larger limb with lots of dead bark and fruiting bodies.






For the record BCC has been emailed.

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treeseer

That's over a playground, and the tree was recently pruned? How could limbs like that not be cut back or cut out?

Looks like years of no money spent on those trees, followed by a ton of money spent to fix the problem, yet problems like that remain?

Sean Freeman

posts #94 and #95 copied from How hollow - pull test - stability tests - Wessolly - Brudi - Sterken - Coder

The picture that Don Ross posted of the hydro-excavation on one side of a Jacaranda at New Farm is a terrible example of malpractice...it is NOT an example of root crown examination.

Who ever approved the work order for that should have been able to provide the high pressure lance operator with clear instructions on how the work was to be carried out....and they should have ensured that the works were proceeding in the correct manner, in accordance with the specifications given to the contractors.

Hydro-excavation contractors understand how to cut into highly compacted substrates and vaccum up the sludge they create, they do not understand the biological and physical function nor anatomy of tree roots.

That is a very embaressing picture for BCC.

Eric Frei

Thanks Sean, I missed that picture. I have now embedded it here. It should go over to this thread too, I'll copy these 2 post over to there.
New Farm Jacarandas

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Eric Frei

Glen from BCC rang @2.15pm today and left a message that the limbs concerned will be pruned shortly by Parks Dept.

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Don Ross

Hello Eric,

World's Worst Practices.
Thrice Blasting of Roots.
New Farm Park a Mess.

Please examine the attached photographs and see if I was wrong to try to stop their bad practices.

With a lateral load testing tool, you would understand Eric, that thrice air and water root blasting undermining of hundreds of trees becomes unnecessary.

Ciao

Don Ross.

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Eric Frei

It's a sad day for democracy if we cant take pictures of or discuss GOVERNMENT.

To my understanding laws were passed @2006 that prevent govt from libel and defamation claims. Rightly so, when the populous is prevented from seeking truth, asking questions or interrogating results from their taxes we have fallen to some pseudo fascist or communist state.

A tree that was closest to the newer amenity I witnessed over years degrade. They trenched right past that tree some 3'+ deep, saw it with my own 2 eyes. Then the tree had significant dead portions, maybe half the canopy, then ganoderma fruiting bodies, then I reported it as hazardous and it was removed. Their own works dept damaged it beyond repair.

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jim1nz

Really enjoyed reading through your guys posts over the last few pages. Very interesting points raised and discussed.

Absolutely insane the BCC is allowing completely unaware/untrained blokes to operate root excivation tools. They are paying LOADS of money to try to save and look after these trees for the complete opposite result! I would like to know who the consultant managing these guys...or not managing them.

What a shame to see the Jac;s/ficus being cut down! We could all live in tiny bomb shelters, forget the big bad world exists... It would be much safer. ...

Eric Frei

Another tree fell approximately 2pm Wednesday 20 May 2009.

Received notification from Don Ross, two of his marked up pictures emailed to me.

First of all here's the Google take on the tree.

http://maps.google.com.au/maps?hl=en&q=new+farm+park&sourceid=navclient-ff&ie=UTF8&ll=-27.468155,153.05088&spn=0,359.990344&z=17&layer=c&cbll=-27.468153,153.05088&panoid=0YSNO5IjV_bhZL6pE-OfNQ&cbp=12,36.06,,0,-1.6
Here's the screen shot of the before. I always wondered about this tree, although heavily pruned just last weekend I was there buying icecreams for my kids and I made sure we didn't sit under it!

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Eric Frei

Some more





Here you can see how it just missed the food van breaking off large limbs of the adjacent tree and smashing the fence. Don't forget this tree was inspected and roots were water/air vacced, part of the $90K spent on tree diagnostics and it was left in as deemed "safe".

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Gloria

To see where cover-up of the mess made by arborists in New Farm Park & the cover-up by journalists of those water blasting 360 degrees BCC practices around hundreds of tree stems of jacarandas has taken politicians and arborists why not go to my twitter web sites:

donross4trees
donross4reform
donross4bomer.

Double click twice on the avatars on the three twitter web sites to understand why Crikey's journalists are loathe to print my posts on the internet.

What VTA proponent & ISAAC proponent arborists do not understand is: If you follow the pseudo-science of Mattheck then in any court of law you will be shown to be following bad science based Mattheck's manipulation of selected data sets.

Imagine yourself to be the Chairman of the CMC or the Premier Bligh.

The simple legal issue & question all arborists are deemed to understand is:

Can a life member of ISAAC really assign a target value of 3 to an at risk residence from an overturning 18 metre high tree?

If you can answer that question, then you might understand that, in November 2009, when the Valley police ponder that question that few arborists will understand why the CMC and the Premier did not seek non-BCC advice on this question.

Cheers and good luck in covering-up of arboricultural crime because it does much harm to dozens of lawyers' reputations and for that reason it does achieve some useful purpose.

If you delete this post, Eric Frei, then that is no problem because the media get a copy of this post and they are well aware of your covering-up of posts that do not suit a VTA proponents' point of view & it is precisely covering-up piled on covering-up which will cause a big political mess if it ever be reported honestly and fairly.

Eric Frei

Crikey Don ... or is it Gloria?

It's not about covering up, it's about keeping you out of trouble.

You're like a kid in a lollyshop with these sites, you have 3 names on Twitter, 2 we know of here. You know that's a ban-able offence here.

Anyway, the issue is you have been flogging a dead horse, nothings changed, there's been elections, trees fell, more trees might fall, bla bla bla on and on it goes but in reality nothing happens.

You been to CMC, Mayor, media, etc ... all blew you off.

So, how many times does it take for you to realise that doing the same thing brings the same result, if indeed you want to win this personal cruisade of yours then you need to change your approach. I dont think we can help you.

So, go back tot he drawing board and rehash a new strategy, make it concise, stay to the point and not waver like flag in gale. And leave us alone!

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Eric Frei

Took these pic on 8 January 2010.

In New Farm Park they have some Poincianas fenced off in the lawn area with pool fencing at the drip line. They're mulched with their own sheddings which everyone will say is the best thing.

So these trees are pretty well cared for as far as compaction, pollution and mulching goes.

But guess what, they fail too.

Here you can see the pool fencing got smashed where one of the large leaders split from the trunk tearing down the face of the trunk where they have put some shade cloth and foam filler.

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Sean Freeman

It would appear to me that the trees were retained for all the right reasons and the the potential targets issues managed correctly through the installation of the fencing.

It is a real shame that any of these very beautiful canopies should be impacted by the failure of any large limbs, however without knowing anything about the state of the detailed assessments regarding health and vigour structural integrity (etc...) it is very hard to make meaningful comment about the long term future for that particular tree.

Personally I would really like such a tree to continue to be retained, it would be a great opportunity to have interpretive signage pointing out the values of these landscape trees, perhaps briefly discussing the reasons for the fencing, an assessment of the failure, plans for future planting, statements about the nature of the park...future plans etc...

I know this informative scenario is unlikely given the history of the park...

Eric Frei

I believe they were fenced because a few years a go a large limb failed injuring a child.

There's a few fenced off now and as you can see they have grown further than the fenced drip line now a days.

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Eric Frei

Went to the park today and the Poinciana tree in the background of the pic above seems to have failed recently too. I have emailed BCC looking for info. If you have some please add it.

I have circled it for you. Please note it is another in so called pristine conditions mulched with it's own debris, fenced off etc.





Here's the failure pics, I have put arrows for the direction I feel the tree fell (judging by fence damage opposing sides). Also note the yellow circles in the last picture and see how the wood is distinctly separated, appears it was codominant (bifurcation) at ground level and although the trunk may have appeared a large solid mass it was two halves. Likely got too hollow and heavy then north section and south section parted ways.

Now the thong on there is size 11 Aus for scale.

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Eric Frei

From another thread.

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Eric Frei

Well, the rest of the above recently failed too. All gone by the time I got there including the stump, shame, would have been good to get a pic of that stump.

Here's what's left as of yesterday. Note the advanced stock replacement they planted within the fenced area, it was there before the tree failed.

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Eric Frei

Posted 9 June 2008 by me:-

And today hello.

Funny how no props, prune and fence for this one.

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Eric Frei

19 August 2011 I took pics of the prop job as below.

Spot the difference (see pic below)?



Yeah, it now has got fenced off too.

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