Lets build a Hazard - Risk Assessment form

Eric Frei · 23rd February 2007, 05:59 PM

Without going into too much political hoohaa about this topic at the end of the day we all need these for each job.

The form should be relatively simple, one page is best. You have to identify risks then add control measures ... as the job site changes the form needs to be updated.

For example. When the bobcat arrives to load the log and your stump grinder fires up but guys are still dragging brush you may have to add these hazards and how you'll deal with them.

Anyway, I got a sample one for you people. I can tell you that you wont find this stuff easily on the net ... not for our business. OHS consultants will want to charge you good money for this.

On the back of the form is the control heirarchy, notice PPE is the last.

Now, I'm not saying the form I put is the best, done the best, etc it's just what I got but together we can perhaps get something really good and doing it here means many other can dowload it and abide by the rules... afterall this is a professional site.

Jeff Darby · 26th February 2007, 12:53 PM

Hi Ekka,
This is strait out of the, AMENITY Tree Industry, CODE OF PRACTICE 1998,Workcover New South Wales, as presented to us by our lecturer at TAFE.

Hope this helps to build the ultimate tree workers risk assessment form - Local, National and International.

We'll have ours up for all to and comment on, in a few weeks time.

Eric Frei · 26th February 2007, 02:39 PM

Some good stuff there mate.

I think you need a column to also write brief notes or comments, certainly a place for address, date, signatures etc.

You could circle your control measure I suppose but you might like to add extra's to cover ya azz on a bad day!

See, under site pets and animals need to be in there to, ever worked in some-ones yard with a roaming dog or acreage and the cows come for a look?

TREE-SURFER · 27th February 2007, 11:13 AM

Have included my RA into this, in word doc.
See what ya think.
(Does any1 outside of UK, have Method statements for Gov. Work?)

Mangoes · 5th March 2007, 02:03 AM

TS, that's fantastic first page, alot of extra reading that crews will no doubt ignore. But I really like the formula for quantifying risk in the chart at the bottom.

PS, You live on the Isle of Man!?! Hell of a place to be come July?

TREE-SURFER · 5th March 2007, 02:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mangoes

PS, You live on the Isle of Man!?! Hell of a place to be come July?

Course has now been made a lot smoother and a lot faster... 100 years old this year, so there will be lots of bikes, old and new. Gonna be a summer to remember..
For those who are wondering.... the Isle of Man is the world capitol for Road Racing. The famous Manx TT

http://www.iomguide.com/races/tt/tt-maps.php
I used to look after the famous Geoff Duke's trees.

Mangoes · 5th March 2007, 05:03 AM

You Tube

Eric Frei · 5th March 2007, 02:36 PM

Far out, I had no idea but after seeing that video I'm hooked.

Keep us update TS on those events in the non trees forum, that helcam action was awesome.

Jeff Darby · 24th March 2007, 05:13 PM

Bump

Eric Frei · 1st June 2008, 08:20 PM

Here's a JSA off the Vic govt site

http://www.worksafe.vic.gov.au/wps/w...rksheet%20(JSA)

JohN Dee · 1st June 2008, 11:03 PM

How scary... I was just looking over this thread the other day and here it is again bumped up.

Sorry to say it, but as far as I know in NSW that JSA form wouldn't be valid aswell as your one there too mate. All hazards must have an associated risk with a rating. All forms are to include a HAZPAC Matrix key, like the one found in Andy's SWMS right there...

I'll post up a pic of our HAZPAC we work from, it is pretty basic and I'd guess one of the most commen ones used in the NSW Tree Industry.

JohN Dee · 1st June 2008, 11:10 PM

That is the HAZPAC on our forms... Btw that link is dead...

Sean Freeman · 2nd June 2008, 12:06 AM

I would lke to point out to all the Aussie members that to be compliant to the AS 4360 you have to show the assessed risk (from the particular risk matrix you may be using) before the control measure, and the assessed risk after the control measure.

The point being that you are documenting how the control measure has altered the degree of exposure, and also very importantly documenting recognition that the risk (unless eliminated or engineered out) remains despite the control measure.....eg ear protection doesn't remove the source of the noise.

treevet · 2nd June 2008, 01:25 AM

Man you fellows over the pond sure love the report writing. You've got this hazard and this hazard and so many hazards they all cannot be abated. But hey, you got to do it anyway. New problem is you've spent half the day writing hazard report and adjustments and voila, now you have to do the job with less time, uh oh, new hazard created.

Noticed a big dog plop in yard, trip hazard and post trip, smell hazard. Mitigation, put plastic garbage on potential trip foot and attach a clothes pin with .50 metric kms of pressure to nose for subsequent smell hazard.

Sean Freeman · 2nd June 2008, 02:34 AM

It takes longer to write the explaination of the JSA than it does to complete one...also if you don't document it then it did not happen...that's the case over here just as it is over there!

Managing risks and hazards is much more than just ticking boxes, its about making sure eveyone goes home at the end of the day.....I'll happily spend 10/15 mins going through the Job risk assessment sheet as many times as is required to ensure that outcome.

treevet · 2nd June 2008, 02:47 AM

We have pre job discussions w hazard identifications and constant stoppages during the course of the job to identify safety concerns by any member of the crew but especially the most experienced lead. Fatigue is identified and discussed to be made aware of esp. during high risk periods. There is such a high occurrence of transition from relative safety to extreme danger on a job and movement of "kill zone" when tree is being worked on that written policy is difficult to define these issues and mitigate them.

Safety safety every second of job and every cut made and every effort put forth all day long until you're home sitting on the recliner.

Sean Freeman · 2nd June 2008, 02:53 AM

Yes you're right no risk management tool can ever mitigate the real life threatening aspects of tree work, esp take downs.
Communication and risk awareness go a long way and the tools we use (risk management tools) should aid us in this regard...having guys (and girls) with the right attitude is more than half the battle for sure.

treevet · 2nd June 2008, 03:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sean Freeman

Yes you're right no risk management tool can ever mitigate the real life threatening aspects of tree work, esp take downs.
Communication and risk awareness go a long way and the tools we use (risk management tools) should aid us in this regard...having guys (and girls) with the right attitude is more than half the battle for sure.

Yeah Sean, I think from your posts I can assume you have moved more away from the field in recent years and I, although I own my own business, am more of a day to day field individual. If these 2 minds can develop protocol together, one leaning more toward production and the other more, maybe concerned with safety (as they are the ones actually incurring the injuries) then it will be productive.

Recent crane topplings killing numerous employees has been explained by many as the push for production overemphasizing safety. One just happened yesterday, I believe in NYC.

treevet · 2nd June 2008, 03:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by treevet

Yeah Sean, I think from your posts I can assume you have moved more away from the field in recent years and I, although I own my own business, am more of a day to day field individual. If these 2 minds can develop protocol together, one leaning more toward production and the other more, maybe concerned with safety (as they are the ones actually incurring the injuries) then it will be productive.

Recent crane topplings killing numerous employees has been explained by many as the push for production overemphasizing safety. One just happened yesterday, I believe in NYC.

PS, Some of this report stuff could well be interpreted as management just covering their asses for the occurrance or accident but not really addressing the cause or prevention. Superficiality.

Eric Frei · 2nd June 2008, 09:17 AM

I am yet to see any tradesman come to my house do one.

I am yet to see any of the tradespeople that built the retaining wall across the road and new gutters do one.

About the only places that mandate one are the larger companies where shiny asses reside.

TreeVet, now there's a log in the yard, better hazard tape it off, cone it out, document it.

Oh, now there's rounds and sawdust, better cater for that too.

Shit, now wheel ruts and Ekka's running a Kanga in and out, better change it again.

Crikey, now it's raining and the ground is wet, better doc that as well.

Dang, the chipper has rocked up better put that in.

Struth, the neighbours dogs been let out .... RUN!

..... here's what the govt did to Noah.

Noah lets down Lord for 2008 ark and flood

Jeff Darby · 2nd June 2008, 10:14 AM

I hear you,but here in Sydney you need to comply.If Workcover visit your site and you dont have it filled out and others from previous jobs,At the least you will be issued with an order to comply.Worst case senario close you down until you comply with a fine for thier troubles.Like you I have never seen it done by plumbers,electricians or other trades,Doesn't mean it does not get done thought.

We use a simple form that covers things we do and confront day to day.It is applied to all jobs because they are similier.Hazard,risk rating,control measure.

Then we apply a Safe Work Method Statement (SWMS) to our job at hand again they are similier any thing not in our statement goes into comments section and added to our form later.

The end result of no injury on my job site is well worth the effort in developing these forms.

I think,Me personally,The biggest hazard is a worker without common sence,This worker is a walking time bomb.He/She must be trained up or moved out!

We have to accept the future and adjust to the modern ways or risk being swept aside ourselves.

Laboriously as it may be do it and be done with it.And keep proof of compliance.

Eric Frei · 2nd June 2008, 10:30 AM

A two man team, old bull and young bull have been assigned with the task of removing an old cyclone mesh fence around an industrial yard.

You know the type, 2" mesh with galv steel poles and the 3 barbed wires along the top.

Old bull is showing the young bull what to do etc and both have eye protection, hard hat and gloves on. They are cutting wire with right tools.

After a while old bull tells young bull he has to go to the toilet.

In the toilet absense young bull decides to remove his eye protection and cuts one of the top tensioned barbed wires, it springs and whips taking his eye out.

Bad accident, company cops $10K fine.

Yes,

Quote:

We have to accept the future and adjust to the modern ways

Jeff Darby · 2nd June 2008, 10:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ekka

A two man team, old bull and young bull have been assigned with the task of removing an old cyclone mesh fence around an industrial yard.

You know the type, 2" mesh with galv steel poles and the 3 barbed wires along the top.

Old bull is showing the young bull what to do etc and both have eye protection, hard hat and gloves on. They are cutting wire with right tools.

After a while old bull tells young bull he has to go to the toilet.

In the toilet absense young bull decides to remove his eye protection and cuts one of the top tensioned barbed wires, it springs and whips taking his eye out.

Bad accident, company cops $10K fine.

Yes,

LOL..Old bull should have transferd his role as nomited supervisor to young bull while he was absent from the job.End result still the same but maybe smaller fine because old bull followed the book

Eric Frei · 2nd June 2008, 10:45 AM

Oh by the way. I wrote to our shiny asses some time ago about a number of cases featured on their website where they boasted of the implications and fines to companies.

I was very specific of the cases and the circumstances, all drawn from their website. I asked where individual responsibility started and why especially in the case above a company would be fined when the worker totally disregarded what he was taught and told etc.

Well, never got a response (typical) and those cases I cannot find on their site anymore. (removed)

---------------------

Approximately 2 years ago I did a quote for a lady who used to work for the dept that busted OHS issues. She quit her job as she couldn't tolerate the attitude and directives.

In her own words they were budgeted to bust small businesses and raise revenue. She said there wouldn't be a business out there today we couldn't bust. The court cases and turmoil she put people through made her sick. Some lost their businesses etc she told me.

The irony and funny part she pointed out was they weren't allowed to go after govt, they weren't allowed to bust their own! No point in fining the govt itself.

So she quit, was disgusted by the entire thing and it was some fascist govt ploy, where the people in the job had lost the plot.

Go do your research, with around 1/4 to 1/3 of the workforce somehow govt you'd think the cases would balance in proportion but they dont.

Jeff Darby · 2nd June 2008, 10:54 AM

I think we all know what goes on out there Ekka,Sadly do as we say prevails not do as we do.
If the company want you, your gone.There's a lot of grey areas left for the Lawyers to rip any of us to pieces.

I still think these prevention identification forms are value.Hazard assessement etc.

Sean Freeman · 2nd June 2008, 11:29 AM

Its a fact of human life that people will ignore the rules and at times break the law, whether individuals or companies, small or large...its really not the point IMO, this thread is about the Risk assessment process and what is useful/worthwhile and what is not (again IMO)
In Qld anyone can choose to flout any one of the many bits of legislation, statute or common law, they can do that often with impunity until something goes wrong and they get caught out....
However.....anyone that adheres to WH&S solely because they want to avoid getting into court and loosing their business is not on the same page as me, and they will eventually mess up, and people (possibly including themselves) will get hurt.

There are a number of legal firms that provide excellent training in the practical realities of WH&S/OH&S law in Oz, and yes they are expensive, but they do deliver training/workshops at bigger events like Arborcamps-mock courts, I would very strongly recommend that anyone who has the chance does go to one of these, you will learn more in the few hours there than you would ever gain anywhere else (without actually having to go through the hell of being in the stand yourself)

newguy18 · 2nd June 2008, 02:33 PM

i stopped by a couples home this evening about a slash pine that blew over in the storm this afternoon,anyone who knows what to look for would have spotted the rot and decay all the way through the stump and into the roots,at least it wasn't by the house and it didn't take out the service lines.

TrueBlacktopp · 5th June 2008, 02:02 PM

I would have to say i do risk assessments every day maybe not always on paper . but still i think in a large scale of things risk assessments are very importaint because it allows to give priority to the trees that need work today and the trees that can wait till tomorrow or till next year. i have takin a course on hazardous tree risk assessment and if you want i can put up some pics of the forms that we followed.

paul_darrington · 7th February 2010, 02:41 PM

I've attached a my version of a Risk Assessment - however it wouldn't qualify with WorkCover as a true JSA/Risk Assessment. ( as it doesnt have a 'HAZPAC Risk Matrix' as JohN Dee mentioned)

Its simply a 'Pre-work Hazard checklist' for my own saftey.

feel free to use it & modify it

Paul

23rd February 2007, 05:59 PM	#1
Eric Frei Admin - Razor sharp and independent 2 X Diploma Level 5 qualified arborist Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,820	Lets build a Hazard - Risk Assessment form Without going into too much political hoohaa about this topic at the end of the day we all need these for each job. The form should be relatively simple, one page is best. You have to identify risks then add control measures ... as the job site changes the form needs to be updated. For example. When the bobcat arrives to load the log and your stump grinder fires up but guys are still dragging brush you may have to add these hazards and how you'll deal with them. Anyway, I got a sample one for you people. I can tell you that you wont find this stuff easily on the net ... not for our business. OHS consultants will want to charge you good money for this. On the back of the form is the control heirarchy, notice PPE is the last. Now, I'm not saying the form I put is the best, done the best, etc it's just what I got but together we can perhaps get something really good and doing it here means many other can dowload it and abide by the rules... afterall this is a professional site. Attached Thumbnails __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

26th February 2007, 12:53 PM	#2
Jeff Darby Moderator - Previously known as JayD Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: TreeWorld, Sydney Australia Posts: 2,031	Hazard Assessment Checklist Hi Ekka, This is strait out of the, AMENITY Tree Industry, CODE OF PRACTICE 1998,Workcover New South Wales, as presented to us by our lecturer at TAFE. Hope this helps to build the ultimate tree workers risk assessment form - Local, National and International. We'll have ours up for all to and comment on, in a few weeks time. Attached Thumbnails __________________ Member: Australian Tree Association Join the Australian Tree Association...Have your voice heard ! Arboriculture, A life long study for some, a passing phase for others © Jeffrey J Darby 2011

26th February 2007, 02:39 PM	#3
Eric Frei Admin - Razor sharp and independent 2 X Diploma Level 5 qualified arborist Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,820	Some good stuff there mate. I think you need a column to also write brief notes or comments, certainly a place for address, date, signatures etc. You could circle your control measure I suppose but you might like to add extra's to cover ya azz on a bad day! See, under site pets and animals need to be in there to, ever worked in some-ones yard with a roaming dog or acreage and the cows come for a look? __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

5th March 2007, 02:03 AM	#5
Mangoes Sappling Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: n/a Posts: 23	TS, that's fantastic first page, alot of extra reading that crews will no doubt ignore. But I really like the formula for quantifying risk in the chart at the bottom. PS, You live on the Isle of Man!?! Hell of a place to be come July? __________________ ?Perhaps a truer indication of mental illness?..can be found in the far more common tendency to passively accept the abuse of the very systems that keep us alive.? - John Vaillant; The Golden Spruce

5th March 2007, 02:36 PM	#8
Eric Frei Admin - Razor sharp and independent 2 X Diploma Level 5 qualified arborist Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,820	Far out, I had no idea but after seeing that video I'm hooked. Keep us update TS on those events in the non trees forum, that helcam action was awesome. __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

24th March 2007, 05:13 PM	#9
Jeff Darby Moderator - Previously known as JayD Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: TreeWorld, Sydney Australia Posts: 2,031	Bump __________________ Member: Australian Tree Association Join the Australian Tree Association...Have your voice heard ! Arboriculture, A life long study for some, a passing phase for others © Jeffrey J Darby 2011

1st June 2008, 11:03 PM	#11
JohN Dee Moderator Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Climbing around the world Posts: 855	Re: Lets build a Hazard - Risk Assessment form How scary... I was just looking over this thread the other day and here it is again bumped up. Sorry to say it, but as far as I know in NSW that JSA form wouldn't be valid aswell as your one there too mate. All hazards must have an associated risk with a rating. All forms are to include a HAZPAC Matrix key, like the one found in Andy's SWMS right there... I'll post up a pic of our HAZPAC we work from, it is pretty basic and I'd guess one of the most commen ones used in the NSW Tree Industry. __________________ We are what we repeatedly do... Excellence then, is not an act, but HABIT... Red : Green : Blue

1st June 2008, 11:10 PM	#12
JohN Dee Moderator Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Climbing around the world Posts: 855	Re: Lets build a Hazard - Risk Assessment form That is the HAZPAC on our forms... Btw that link is dead... Attached Thumbnails __________________ We are what we repeatedly do... Excellence then, is not an act, but HABIT... Red : Green : Blue

2nd June 2008, 12:06 AM	#13
Sean Freeman Monument Status Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Townsville Nth Queensland & Gold Coast Sth Queensland Posts: 1,985	Re: Lets build a Hazard - Risk Assessment form I would lke to point out to all the Aussie members that to be compliant to the AS 4360 you have to show the assessed risk (from the particular risk matrix you may be using) before the control measure, and the assessed risk after the control measure. The point being that you are documenting how the control measure has altered the degree of exposure, and also very importantly documenting recognition that the risk (unless eliminated or engineered out) remains despite the control measure.....eg ear protection doesn't remove the source of the noise.

2nd June 2008, 01:25 AM	#14
treevet Backflipper Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Cincinnati, Ohio, USA Posts: 2,131	Re: Lets build a Hazard - Risk Assessment form Man you fellows over the pond sure love the report writing. You've got this hazard and this hazard and so many hazards they all cannot be abated. But hey, you got to do it anyway. New problem is you've spent half the day writing hazard report and adjustments and voila, now you have to do the job with less time, uh oh, new hazard created. Noticed a big dog plop in yard, trip hazard and post trip, smell hazard. Mitigation, put plastic garbage on potential trip foot and attach a clothes pin with .50 metric kms of pressure to nose for subsequent smell hazard.

2nd June 2008, 02:34 AM	#15
Sean Freeman Monument Status Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Townsville Nth Queensland & Gold Coast Sth Queensland Posts: 1,985	Re: Lets build a Hazard - Risk Assessment form It takes longer to write the explaination of the JSA than it does to complete one...also if you don't document it then it did not happen...that's the case over here just as it is over there! Managing risks and hazards is much more than just ticking boxes, its about making sure eveyone goes home at the end of the day.....I'll happily spend 10/15 mins going through the Job risk assessment sheet as many times as is required to ensure that outcome.

2nd June 2008, 02:47 AM	#16
treevet Backflipper Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Cincinnati, Ohio, USA Posts: 2,131	Re: Lets build a Hazard - Risk Assessment form We have pre job discussions w hazard identifications and constant stoppages during the course of the job to identify safety concerns by any member of the crew but especially the most experienced lead. Fatigue is identified and discussed to be made aware of esp. during high risk periods. There is such a high occurrence of transition from relative safety to extreme danger on a job and movement of "kill zone" when tree is being worked on that written policy is difficult to define these issues and mitigate them. Safety safety every second of job and every cut made and every effort put forth all day long until you're home sitting on the recliner.

2nd June 2008, 02:53 AM	#17
Sean Freeman Monument Status Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Townsville Nth Queensland & Gold Coast Sth Queensland Posts: 1,985	Re: Lets build a Hazard - Risk Assessment form Yes you're right no risk management tool can ever mitigate the real life threatening aspects of tree work, esp take downs. Communication and risk awareness go a long way and the tools we use (risk management tools) should aid us in this regard...having guys (and girls) with the right attitude is more than half the battle for sure.

2nd June 2008, 09:17 AM	#20
Eric Frei Admin - Razor sharp and independent 2 X Diploma Level 5 qualified arborist Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,820	Re: Lets build a Hazard - Risk Assessment form I am yet to see any tradesman come to my house do one. I am yet to see any of the tradespeople that built the retaining wall across the road and new gutters do one. About the only places that mandate one are the larger companies where shiny asses reside. TreeVet, now there's a log in the yard, better hazard tape it off, cone it out, document it. Oh, now there's rounds and sawdust, better cater for that too. Shit, now wheel ruts and Ekka's running a Kanga in and out, better change it again. Crikey, now it's raining and the ground is wet, better doc that as well. Dang, the chipper has rocked up better put that in. Struth, the neighbours dogs been let out .... RUN! ..... here's what the govt did to Noah. Noah lets down Lord for 2008 ark and flood __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

2nd June 2008, 10:14 AM	#21
Jeff Darby Moderator - Previously known as JayD Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: TreeWorld, Sydney Australia Posts: 2,031	Re: Lets build a Hazard - Risk Assessment form I hear you,but here in Sydney you need to comply.If Workcover visit your site and you dont have it filled out and others from previous jobs,At the least you will be issued with an order to comply.Worst case senario close you down until you comply with a fine for thier troubles.Like you I have never seen it done by plumbers,electricians or other trades,Doesn't mean it does not get done thought. We use a simple form that covers things we do and confront day to day.It is applied to all jobs because they are similier.Hazard,risk rating,control measure. Then we apply a Safe Work Method Statement (SWMS) to our job at hand again they are similier any thing not in our statement goes into comments section and added to our form later. The end result of no injury on my job site is well worth the effort in developing these forms. I think,Me personally,The biggest hazard is a worker without common sence,This worker is a walking time bomb.He/She must be trained up or moved out! We have to accept the future and adjust to the modern ways or risk being swept aside ourselves. Laboriously as it may be do it and be done with it.And keep proof of compliance. __________________ Member: Australian Tree Association Join the Australian Tree Association...Have your voice heard ! Arboriculture, A life long study for some, a passing phase for others © Jeffrey J Darby 2011

2nd June 2008, 10:45 AM	#24
Eric Frei Admin - Razor sharp and independent 2 X Diploma Level 5 qualified arborist Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,820	Re: Lets build a Hazard - Risk Assessment form Oh by the way. I wrote to our shiny asses some time ago about a number of cases featured on their website where they boasted of the implications and fines to companies. I was very specific of the cases and the circumstances, all drawn from their website. I asked where individual responsibility started and why especially in the case above a company would be fined when the worker totally disregarded what he was taught and told etc. Well, never got a response (typical) and those cases I cannot find on their site anymore. (removed) --------------------- Approximately 2 years ago I did a quote for a lady who used to work for the dept that busted OHS issues. She quit her job as she couldn't tolerate the attitude and directives. In her own words they were budgeted to bust small businesses and raise revenue. She said there wouldn't be a business out there today we couldn't bust. The court cases and turmoil she put people through made her sick. Some lost their businesses etc she told me. The irony and funny part she pointed out was they weren't allowed to go after govt, they weren't allowed to bust their own! No point in fining the govt itself. So she quit, was disgusted by the entire thing and it was some fascist govt ploy, where the people in the job had lost the plot. Go do your research, with around 1/4 to 1/3 of the workforce somehow govt you'd think the cases would balance in proportion but they dont. __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

2nd June 2008, 10:54 AM	#25
Jeff Darby Moderator - Previously known as JayD Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: TreeWorld, Sydney Australia Posts: 2,031	Re: Lets build a Hazard - Risk Assessment form I think we all know what goes on out there Ekka,Sadly do as we say prevails not do as we do. If the company want you, your gone.There's a lot of grey areas left for the Lawyers to rip any of us to pieces. I still think these prevention identification forms are value.Hazard assessement etc. __________________ Member: Australian Tree Association Join the Australian Tree Association...Have your voice heard ! Arboriculture, A life long study for some, a passing phase for others © Jeffrey J Darby 2011

2nd June 2008, 11:29 AM	#26
Sean Freeman Monument Status Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Townsville Nth Queensland & Gold Coast Sth Queensland Posts: 1,985	Re: Lets build a Hazard - Risk Assessment form Its a fact of human life that people will ignore the rules and at times break the law, whether individuals or companies, small or large...its really not the point IMO, this thread is about the Risk assessment process and what is useful/worthwhile and what is not (again IMO) In Qld anyone can choose to flout any one of the many bits of legislation, statute or common law, they can do that often with impunity until something goes wrong and they get caught out.... However.....anyone that adheres to WH&S solely because they want to avoid getting into court and loosing their business is not on the same page as me, and they will eventually mess up, and people (possibly including themselves) will get hurt. There are a number of legal firms that provide excellent training in the practical realities of WH&S/OH&S law in Oz, and yes they are expensive, but they do deliver training/workshops at bigger events like Arborcamps-mock courts, I would very strongly recommend that anyone who has the chance does go to one of these, you will learn more in the few hours there than you would ever gain anywhere else (without actually having to go through the hell of being in the stand yourself)

2nd June 2008, 02:33 PM	#27
newguy18 Part of the Furniture Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: orlando,fl Posts: 4,977	Re: Lets build a Hazard - Risk Assessment form i stopped by a couples home this evening about a slash pine that blew over in the storm this afternoon,anyone who knows what to look for would have spotted the rot and decay all the way through the stump and into the roots,at least it wasn't by the house and it didn't take out the service lines. __________________ Have your say join us today. old schooler

5th June 2008, 02:02 PM	#28
TrueBlacktopp Sappling Join Date: May 2007 Location: White Rock, bc Posts: 26	Re: Lets build a Hazard - Risk Assessment form I would have to say i do risk assessments every day maybe not always on paper . but still i think in a large scale of things risk assessments are very importaint because it allows to give priority to the trees that need work today and the trees that can wait till tomorrow or till next year. i have takin a course on hazardous tree risk assessment and if you want i can put up some pics of the forms that we followed.

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