keeping public out?

Newbieone · 22nd August 2009, 07:28 PM

lets say you are working in a park, are we required to have a phisical barrier like mesh or tape, or are hats and a sign ok?

Do we need to do anything?

australia

Jeff Darby · 22nd August 2009, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Newbieone

lets say you are working in a park, are we required to have a phisical barrier like mesh or tape, or are hats and a sign ok?

Do we need to do anything?

australia

All of the above, plus an observer for the public & signal to climber its ok to drop pieces, right time of day eg; when it has least amount of activity, the public see's a public place as there right to do as they please, which it is on an ordinary day when no tree work is being carried out, allways think the public see's the world much like a child thru straws and only see what there interested in.

Newbieone · 22nd August 2009, 08:51 PM

is that from a code or standard?

Jeff Darby · 22nd August 2009, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Newbieone

is that from a code or standard?

It's what I practice when I work with a crew in a public place, and its oh&s.
Every one has the right to go home uninjured from the days work, the public has the right to use the park, but its up to you to keep them away from your work with barriers,signs,observers. at least in a park you a good line of sight for people coming into your work area perimeter and you can stop work and head them off at the pass so to speak.

Eric Frei · 23rd August 2009, 09:31 AM

I think the correct terminology would be to have sufficient control measures to isolate the public from the risk.

From PDF attached.

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The Controls that are available are:
1. ELIMINATION
Machinery can be made safe by eliminating the cause of the danger. For instance, if the use of a portable circular saw creates an electrocution hazard through cutting the power cord, use a bench saw with built-in fixed wiring. Whilst the electricity is still present the chance of electrocution as a result of the saw cutting the wiring is eliminated.
The other alternative is to remove the hazardous machine, ie. buy sawn timber rather than having a circular saw on site. This solution would eliminate the hazard associated with cutting the cord as well as the hazard associated with the sharp blade of the saw.
2. SUBSTITUTION
Substitution involves replacing a hazardous machine or hazardous work practice with a less hazardous one. Using a cordless drill rather than a drill with a cord for instance.
3. ISOLATION
Isolation involves separating the hazard from persons at risk of being injured by it. In the case of machinery it might involve installing a fence around a dangerous machine.
4. ENGINEERING CONTROLS
If the hazard cannot be eliminated, substituted or isolated, engineering control is the next preferred option. It involves such things as guards or introducing remote stop and start buttons.
5. ADMINISTRATIVE CONTROLS
Administrative controls include the use of danger signs, work practices that reduce the risk such as regular rest breaks for keyboard operators and reduced exposure to noisy machines (by job rotation), supervision and training. The introduction of written procedures accompanied by associated training would also be included in this control measure.
6. PERSONAL PROTECTIVE EQUIPMENT (PPE)
Personal protective equipment should be considered only when other control measures are not practical, or to increase protection. PPE associated with the use and maintenance of machinery includes, eye protection, hearing protection, safety footwear, close fitting (without hampering movement) clothing, and gloves. The provision of PPE must be accompanied by training in its proper use, fitting, cleaning and maintenance.
The hierarchy is shown in the attached flow chart.

From NSW Workcover:-

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The hierarchy of control involves starting from the top of a list of risk control options and working your way down, with the last option being the least desirable. It can be found in Clause 5 of the OHS Regulation 2001 – Meaning of “control of risks”.

The hierarchy of control must be used when the risk to health and safety cannot be eliminated:

* can the hazard be substituted with a less hazardous one by using a different material or process?
* can the hazard be isolated from the worker or the worker from the hazard?
* can engineering means be used to minimise the risk?
can safer work or administrative practices be put into place?
* as a last resort, can personal protective equipment (PPE) be used?

A combination of the above controls may be necessary if no single measure is enough to reduce the risk to the lowest level reasonably practical.

PPE should be used as part of an integrated organisational approach to health and safety management. It should complement other control methods, not replace them.

Apocalypsse · 23rd August 2009, 09:50 AM

I find the best way to keep the public out is by building a wall of witches hats, something they will trip over, but it has to be those tall witches hats which go up to your waste. Ive had people walk through my site before, OVER THE TOP OF A WITCHES HAT and not realise it, he only realised when he friend told him after we all gave them the *gtfo* look.

Jeff Darby · 23rd August 2009, 10:14 AM

By far the most hectic for me was taking down four small trees directly outside the entrance of a train station in the cbd which was also a small park, what a nightmare, our tactics were signs on the trees 48 hrs in advance advising we were removing them due to decline in health.

Again we worked out the quietest time of the day, this location was small taxis picking up and droping off,cars everwhere,people eating in restuarants surrounding the work area, again we used witches hat signs and lookouts for the public.

You really had to be on the ball the public were trying to get thru at every oportunity we just kept on redirecting them into an alternate route we made around our work. We successfully removed all trees with no incident at all.

Then comes all of the above and traffic co-ordination aswell which takes to another level again,exspecially when it is taken care of inhouse.

JohN Dee · 23rd August 2009, 04:29 PM

By far most effective/practical way to keep them out are the big cones like apo mentioned but link them all up with the tiger tail poles the ones that look like these O======O The O ring secures over the cone.

Other then that shepherd them around the work site but shepherding is not for the faint hearted...

22nd August 2009, 07:28 PM	#1
Newbieone I'm new here so be nice Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Australia Posts: 4	keeping public out? lets say you are working in a park, are we required to have a phisical barrier like mesh or tape, or are hats and a sign ok? Do we need to do anything? australia

22nd August 2009, 08:51 PM	#3
Newbieone I'm new here so be nice Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Australia Posts: 4	Re: keeping public out? is that from a code or standard?

23rd August 2009, 09:50 AM	#6
Apocalypsse Veteran Heritage Status Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Victoria, Australia Posts: 1,152	Re: keeping public out? I find the best way to keep the public out is by building a wall of witches hats, something they will trip over, but it has to be those tall witches hats which go up to your waste. Ive had people walk through my site before, OVER THE TOP OF A WITCHES HAT and not realise it, he only realised when he friend told him after we all gave them the gtfo look.

23rd August 2009, 10:14 AM	#7
Jeff Darby Moderator - Previously known as JayD Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: TreeWorld, Sydney Australia Posts: 2,059	Re: keeping public out? By far the most hectic for me was taking down four small trees directly outside the entrance of a train station in the cbd which was also a small park, what a nightmare, our tactics were signs on the trees 48 hrs in advance advising we were removing them due to decline in health. Again we worked out the quietest time of the day, this location was small taxis picking up and droping off,cars everwhere,people eating in restuarants surrounding the work area, again we used witches hat signs and lookouts for the public. You really had to be on the ball the public were trying to get thru at every oportunity we just kept on redirecting them into an alternate route we made around our work. We successfully removed all trees with no incident at all. Then comes all of the above and traffic co-ordination aswell which takes to another level again,exspecially when it is taken care of inhouse. __________________ Member: Australian Tree Association Join the Australian Tree Association...Have your voice heard ! Arboriculture, A life long study for some, a passing phase for others © Jeffrey J Darby 2011

23rd August 2009, 04:29 PM	#8
JohN Dee Moderator Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Climbing around the world Posts: 848	Re: keeping public out? By far most effective/practical way to keep them out are the big cones like apo mentioned but link them all up with the tiger tail poles the ones that look like these O======O The O ring secures over the cone. Other then that shepherd them around the work site but shepherding is not for the faint hearted... __________________ We are what we repeatedly do... Excellence then, is not an act, but HABIT... Red : Green : Blue

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