information re-manchester popular tree

gedono · 2nd April 2007, 10:26 AM

Hi,
i was wondering if anybody could give me some information or link to how much water a manchester popular tree would drink, the size of the tree would be around 40feet tall, i dont know the width but i am an average size adult male & i could just about wrap my arms around it,
All this may sound odd but 18 mth ago a major developer cut down & removed the stump

of this lovely tree, since this combined with excavating & fitting three large manholes/sewer system, I have had trouble with my cellar flooding, the tree was, & the new sewer system is ruffly 30 to 35 feet from the side of my property, if anybody could assist i would be truely gratefull as the bullyboy tactics of this developer are somewhat overwhelmeing, & has left me with a ?23k bill

to control the ingress of water as i am told that it cannot be cured, Many Thanks gedono

Eric Frei · 2nd April 2007, 03:02 PM

What I know so far.

Manchester poplar (Populus nigra betulifolia)

Tree was 40' high and approx 2' DBH so is semi mature

Tree is a high water consumer http://www.ottawaforests.ca/city_tre...n-damage_e.htm

Tree was located 33' feet away.

Tree was removed and large sewer pipes buried where tree was.

What I'd like to see or know ...

Picture showing site.

Lay of the land.

Where and how water is entering cellar

Type of soil.

Depth and size of trenches for the sewers.

Can you maybe help with these?

Also, poplars are deciduous and during the dormancy period use very little water so that would be the counter argument. I take it winter is also a wet time of year, so did your cellar flood prior during winter?

I'm guessing here but I'd say in ideal conditions that tree could have sucked out around 500 litres of water a day easy. But my suspicion is the trenches for the sewers have done something, although there's a pipe in there you have a deep fissure in the soil profile that might become an underground lake and seep across to an even lower place ... your cellar.

Sean Freeman · 2nd April 2007, 03:20 PM

I would agree with you Ekka, something else has occurred to produce the flooding (or seepage?). Possibly other construction activities such as cut and fill envolving sub base stablisation (ie 95% compaction) may have perched the water table. Or as you suggest something simpler.

Gedono, are you the only person who has been affected, do you have nearby properties or nieghbours?
Also what is the name of your Local Government Authority, I could give you some tips on how to proceed with them if you tell me which one it is.

Sean

2nd April 2007, 10:26 AM	#1
gedono I'm new here so be nice Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 1	information re-manchester popular tree Hi, i was wondering if anybody could give me some information or link to how much water a manchester popular tree would drink, the size of the tree would be around 40feet tall, i dont know the width but i am an average size adult male & i could just about wrap my arms around it, All this may sound odd but 18 mth ago a major developer cut down & removed the stump of this lovely tree, since this combined with excavating & fitting three large manholes/sewer system, I have had trouble with my cellar flooding, the tree was, & the new sewer system is ruffly 30 to 35 feet from the side of my property, if anybody could assist i would be truely gratefull as the bullyboy tactics of this developer are somewhat overwhelmeing, & has left me with a ?23k bill to control the ingress of water as i am told that it cannot be cured, Many Thanks gedono Last edited by gedono; 2nd April 2007 at 10:30 AM. Reason: highlight heading

2nd April 2007, 03:02 PM	#2
Eric Frei Admin - Owner Palm & Tree Services in Brisbane Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,994	What I know so far. Manchester poplar (Populus nigra betulifolia) Tree was 40' high and approx 2' DBH so is semi mature Tree is a high water consumer http://www.ottawaforests.ca/city_tre...n-damage_e.htm Tree was located 33' feet away. Tree was removed and large sewer pipes buried where tree was. What I'd like to see or know ... Picture showing site. Lay of the land. Where and how water is entering cellar Type of soil. Depth and size of trenches for the sewers. Can you maybe help with these? Also, poplars are deciduous and during the dormancy period use very little water so that would be the counter argument. I take it winter is also a wet time of year, so did your cellar flood prior during winter? I'm guessing here but I'd say in ideal conditions that tree could have sucked out around 500 litres of water a day easy. But my suspicion is the trenches for the sewers have done something, although there's a pipe in there you have a deep fissure in the soil profile that might become an underground lake and seep across to an even lower place ... your cellar. __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Palm and Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

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2nd April 2007, 03:20 PM	#3
Sean Freeman Veteran Heritage Status Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Townsville Nth Queensland & Gold Coast Sth Queensland Posts: 1,981	I would agree with you Ekka, something else has occurred to produce the flooding (or seepage?). Possibly other construction activities such as cut and fill envolving sub base stablisation (ie 95% compaction) may have perched the water table. Or as you suggest something simpler. Gedono, are you the only person who has been affected, do you have nearby properties or nieghbours? Also what is the name of your Local Government Authority, I could give you some tips on how to proceed with them if you tell me which one it is. Sean