Ignore it then claim insurance!

Ekka · 3rd February 2007, 07:58 PM

That's what they do.

Can ya give us a quote for removal of a tree that fell over in the storm and busted the fence.

People often don't maintain their vegetation and when it does fail they think "insurance" will cover it.... "she'll be right, mate."

Check this one out.

Sean Freeman · 3rd February 2007, 08:23 PM

Nasty case of the Ganoderma's there,
here's one we did earlier....

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Small very lopped benjamina with extensive ganoderma through roots and root crown been declining for 3 maybe 4 yrs Steve had visited this client years before and advised the tree removal..but you know all that money and the tree is still green

Well we got a little rain bout 18mths back and a little wind and whatdyu know the darn thing fell over

We were going to dock it up and cart it out from the yard 5m below road level then Steve saw the light and got in a crane

I luv crane jobs...so long as you have a good driver otherwise they terrify me.

SF

Ekka · 3rd February 2007, 11:01 PM

The top of this was struck by lightening middle last year.

The other day I drove past and a branch was on the footpath.

Today I went and spoke to the neighbour. He said branches are dropping all the time right into where the entrance to their house is. He said he spoke to the guy next door and nothing gets done.

The owner (guy next door) is seldom home, I have left many flyers in the letterbox.

Neighbour says the guy next door said he was waiting for his brother to return to cut it down. (typical legends club thing). Meanwhile the neighbour has also been removing dead branches caught on the service drop!

That's serious, and breaking the 3m rule. I lodged a written to council today to put an order on the owner.

4th February 2007, 11:24 AM

If I'm reading this right....(and correct me if I'm not) you are leaving brochures for your business at a residence uninvited, (and talking to the neighbors about) a tree on somebody's property that is no real business of yours whether it lives or dies? (Other than you trying to make money off of it.) And furthermore you're submitting a complaint against the individual with the city?

LOL! This is the exact reason why we moved out of the city. Busybodies who can't mind their own business. And if it was me you were doing that to, I'd be filing a 'complaint' of my own against your business license.

That's the view from a 'homeowner' not in the trade.

Ekka · 4th February 2007, 11:53 AM

City law demands safety of vegetation, the law is written so action can be taken against people who have hazardous trees.

In this case the tree poses a serious threat to pedestrians and the neighbour. A reasonable person would have attended to the tree, but to leave hazards that affect others lives and put them at risk is unreasonable.

There is no law against putting flyers in peoples boxes or talking with them, this isn't Russia 30 years ago.

The home-owner is way out of line, and regardless of local law there is State law of private nuisance and neglegence anyway.

However if your dead tree is in the middle of your 10 acre paddock and not effecting anyone that is entirely different.

TREE-SURFER · 4th February 2007, 04:04 PM

Must say, I gotta go with Ekka on this one. Being in UK., we got Duty of care. It is down to the individual to seek professional advice about their trees if they hav'nt got a clue.
Being near to some1 elses property and the public highway, the guy who owns the tree, not only will not be insured, but could also hold him to manslaughter if the worst happened.
Get knockin Ekka and advise the dude on good ownership practice.

4th February 2007, 04:07 PM

That's bs. There's no "serious threat" from this tree. The only "serious threat" appears to be to the homeowners wallet from you trolling for his business.

Once again, it is the nanny mentality such as the one exhibited here that is making city life unbearable these days.

A "reasonable" person would have minded their own business and let the homeowner worry about the tree. If you think its 'too dangerous' then don't walk under it or be around it...simple as that.

Is your business in proper order? Because here's hoping that the homeowner goes after you to make sure your affairs are in order, like you're going after him.

4th February 2007, 04:10 PM

Yes, you Brits know all about nannys....you're the ones who let them put cameras on every street corner to keep you from misbehaving. I expect you folks to be crybabies. I thought Aussies were made of stronger stuff though.

4th February 2007, 04:16 PM

For the record, I spent about $10,000 last year to have some huge old trees removed on my property because moron neighbors dug up the tree's roots with construction projects and then complained to the city when the trees started dying back, saying I wasn't taking care of them and they posed a 'danger'. Rubbish. It was their fault the trees were that way in the first place.

TREE-SURFER · 4th February 2007, 04:30 PM

Quite the ugly face ( NEGLIGENCE), I see it every day. And it's the unsuspecting passer by that gets Smaked on the head and finds that he/she won't get a penny, unless they take the owner of the tree to court, to pay for their fee's / time off work. etc etc etc
As for your neighbours digging up your roots, thats a matter for you to take up with them, or the contractors that damaged the roots of your living giants.
And as I see it every day, I also file reports for insurance companies alike to find fault. As for the guy we are talking about, He is at fault, and in UK. would not be insured in the unlikely event that some 1 not walking on the other side of the street, just minding their own, get hit. What would you do if you got hit. I can only guess.
And for the record, only pikies sting the customers. $10,000 sounds a bit steep for a couple of trees. But hey, I'm not a brit, I'm Manx.

TREE-SURFER · 4th February 2007, 04:32 PM

And as for the cameras, maybe thats why our cops don't get trigger happy and shoot innocent kids.
But cheers anyway.

Ekka · 4th February 2007, 11:06 PM

Oh Sappy's just talking like that coz he's the victim of such a case.

Sap, everyone one has the right to enjoy their property to the boundaries without threat or risk ... whether that be trees or a stinking smoking wood boiler it doesn't matter.

And in the case above the tree owner is neglegent beside down right inconsiderate. That's the entrance to their house.

Remember that case in Hawaii where a large Norfolk Pine on the footpath fell onto a house putting a 12 year old girl into hospital for many moths in a coma? Well the council contractors who worked those trees were negligent as they ignored the blatant VTA signs of DANGER. They did nothing about the tree, didn't report the tree. Now a families life is changed forever when something could have been done.

TREE-SURFER · 4th February 2007, 11:53 PM

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...n_page_id=1770

Heres 1 just for Sappy! Young boy dies as a result of negligence....

Ekka · 5th February 2007, 01:48 AM

"An inspector alerted to the presence of the crack at the point of collapse would have been obliged immediately to deal with the problem either by felling it or removing its crown to ensure it didn't collapse."

"The system of carrying out a survey was inadequate to ensure the safety of members of the public." National Trust park manager Steven Adams and Head estate warden Adam Riley were quizzed by police but not charged.

Says it all, if it can be seen then you have no leg to stand on. The top of this pine is caught up and pines like this lose their integrity quickly. I have no feelings of guilt or anything dobbing in this owner, in fact, it might just save some-one an injury.

People need to take responsibility for their vegetation, and they better know what an arborist is if they have trees. and on that note arborists better get their act together not to end up in hot water.

Sean Freeman · 5th February 2007, 02:16 AM

I agree absolutely with your point Ekka that managers/owners of trees have to take responsibility for their trees, and as skilled and qualified people we should be the ones offering them a range of options as to how they can achieve that.

But we should all be careful taking egs from the press, the events in Dunham Massey Park were played for all they were worth by the press in the UK at the time. Everyone was looking for someone to blame.

The National Trust (Managers of the park) developed back in 1997 one of the better policies for managing tree risk it has been tested numerous times in British courts and was one of the first such policies to take seriously the issues arising from mixing people and trees in different conditions.

National trust assessment.pdf

I would argue that since 97' they should have improved their assessment tools, methods and training for grounds staff (since as you can see they're the ones assessing by and large). Also a big part of what I think Ekka's saying is if an Arborist spending the day in the park had been fortunate enough to see the biomechanical signs of serious trouble, then they sure as hell should make sure everyone knows about it. Thats part of our responsibility to Joe public and all their little kids.

SF

TREE-SURFER · 5th February 2007, 02:55 AM

Hey Ekka, this guy's brother in law is gonna fell this sucker (says the neighbour) just seen the piccy's. UK Law states that no un trained or non qualified persons (Public or Private) may clear branches limbs or whole tree's that surround urility wires. Whats your laws on the matter, just currious.

4th February 2007, 11:53 AM	#5 (permalink)
Ekka Eric Frei Administrator - Brisbane L5 (Dip) Hort Cert III Arb + some Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 6,932	City law demands safety of vegetation, the law is written so action can be taken against people who have hazardous trees. In this case the tree poses a serious threat to pedestrians and the neighbour. A reasonable person would have attended to the tree, but to leave hazards that affect others lives and put them at risk is unreasonable. There is no law against putting flyers in peoples boxes or talking with them, this isn't Russia 30 years ago. The home-owner is way out of line, and regardless of local law there is State law of private nuisance and neglegence anyway. However if your dead tree is in the middle of your 10 acre paddock and not effecting anyone that is entirely different. __________________ Remember to use the "search" function, if you have answers/questions post them so everyone can benefit. Free Tree and Green Industry Link Directory Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding and Stump Removal Brisbane Brisbane Tree Care, Consultations, Developer, Tree and Arborist Reports Forum Sponsors

4th February 2007, 04:04 PM	#6 (permalink)
TREE-SURFER Mature tree Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Isle of Man,UK. Posts: 410	Must say, I gotta go with Ekka on this one. Being in UK., we got Duty of care. It is down to the individual to seek professional advice about their trees if they hav'nt got a clue. Being near to some1 elses property and the public highway, the guy who owns the tree, not only will not be insured, but could also hold him to manslaughter if the worst happened. Get knockin Ekka and advise the dude on good ownership practice. __________________ The Aerial Arborist Isle of Man Tree Surgeon\| All Aspects of Tree Work Andy@Aerial-Arborist.co.uk What experts say about TOPPING

4th February 2007, 04:30 PM	#10 (permalink)
TREE-SURFER Mature tree Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Isle of Man,UK. Posts: 410	Quite the ugly face ( NEGLIGENCE), I see it every day. And it's the unsuspecting passer by that gets Smaked on the head and finds that he/she won't get a penny, unless they take the owner of the tree to court, to pay for their fee's / time off work. etc etc etc As for your neighbours digging up your roots, thats a matter for you to take up with them, or the contractors that damaged the roots of your living giants. And as I see it every day, I also file reports for insurance companies alike to find fault. As for the guy we are talking about, He is at fault, and in UK. would not be insured in the unlikely event that some 1 not walking on the other side of the street, just minding their own, get hit. What would you do if you got hit. I can only guess. And for the record, only pikies sting the customers. $10,000 sounds a bit steep for a couple of trees. But hey, I'm not a brit, I'm Manx. __________________ The Aerial Arborist Isle of Man Tree Surgeon\| All Aspects of Tree Work Andy@Aerial-Arborist.co.uk What experts say about TOPPING

4th February 2007, 04:32 PM	#11 (permalink)
TREE-SURFER Mature tree Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Isle of Man,UK. Posts: 410	And as for the cameras, maybe thats why our cops don't get trigger happy and shoot innocent kids. But cheers anyway. __________________ The Aerial Arborist Isle of Man Tree Surgeon\| All Aspects of Tree Work Andy@Aerial-Arborist.co.uk What experts say about TOPPING Last edited by TREE-SURFER : 4th February 2007 at 04:33 PM. Reason: Thought I'd be polite.

4th February 2007, 11:06 PM	#12 (permalink)
Ekka Eric Frei Administrator - Brisbane L5 (Dip) Hort Cert III Arb + some Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 6,932	Oh Sappy's just talking like that coz he's the victim of such a case. Sap, everyone one has the right to enjoy their property to the boundaries without threat or risk ... whether that be trees or a stinking smoking wood boiler it doesn't matter. And in the case above the tree owner is neglegent beside down right inconsiderate. That's the entrance to their house. Remember that case in Hawaii where a large Norfolk Pine on the footpath fell onto a house putting a 12 year old girl into hospital for many moths in a coma? Well the council contractors who worked those trees were negligent as they ignored the blatant VTA signs of DANGER. They did nothing about the tree, didn't report the tree. Now a families life is changed forever when something could have been done. __________________ Remember to use the "search" function, if you have answers/questions post them so everyone can benefit. Free Tree and Green Industry Link Directory Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding and Stump Removal Brisbane Brisbane Tree Care, Consultations, Developer, Tree and Arborist Reports Forum Sponsors

3rd February 2007, 08:23 PM	#2 (permalink)
Sean Freeman PDF King & Arborist Extrodinaire Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Townsville Nth Queensland & Gold Coast Sth Queensland Posts: 1,671	Nasty case of the Ganoderma's there, here's one we did earlier.... DSCF5569.JPG DSCF5568.JPG DSCF5566.JPG DSCF5587.JPG DSCF5594.JPG Small very lopped benjamina with extensive ganoderma through roots and root crown been declining for 3 maybe 4 yrs Steve had visited this client years before and advised the tree removal..but you know all that money and the tree is still green Well we got a little rain bout 18mths back and a little wind and whatdyu know the darn thing fell over We were going to dock it up and cart it out from the yard 5m below road level then Steve saw the light and got in a crane I luv crane jobs...so long as you have a good driver otherwise they terrify me. SF

4th February 2007, 11:24 AM	#4 (permalink)
coveredinsap Posts: n/a	If I'm reading this right....(and correct me if I'm not) you are leaving brochures for your business at a residence uninvited, (and talking to the neighbors about) a tree on somebody's property that is no real business of yours whether it lives or dies? (Other than you trying to make money off of it.) And furthermore you're submitting a complaint against the individual with the city? LOL! This is the exact reason why we moved out of the city. Busybodies who can't mind their own business. And if it was me you were doing that to, I'd be filing a 'complaint' of my own against your business license. That's the view from a 'homeowner' not in the trade.

4th February 2007, 04:07 PM	#7 (permalink)
coveredinsap Posts: n/a	That's bs. There's no "serious threat" from this tree. The only "serious threat" appears to be to the homeowners wallet from you trolling for his business. Once again, it is the nanny mentality such as the one exhibited here that is making city life unbearable these days. A "reasonable" person would have minded their own business and let the homeowner worry about the tree. If you think its 'too dangerous' then don't walk under it or be around it...simple as that. Is your business in proper order? Because here's hoping that the homeowner goes after you to make sure your affairs are in order, like you're going after him.

4th February 2007, 04:10 PM	#8 (permalink)
coveredinsap Posts: n/a	Yes, you Brits know all about nannys....you're the ones who let them put cameras on every street corner to keep you from misbehaving. I expect you folks to be crybabies. I thought Aussies were made of stronger stuff though.

4th February 2007, 04:16 PM	#9 (permalink)
coveredinsap Posts: n/a	For the record, I spent about $10,000 last year to have some huge old trees removed on my property because moron neighbors dug up the tree's roots with construction projects and then complained to the city when the trees started dying back, saying I wasn't taking care of them and they posed a 'danger'. Rubbish. It was their fault the trees were that way in the first place.

4th February 2007, 11:53 PM	#13 (permalink)
TREE-SURFER Mature tree Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Isle of Man,UK. Posts: 410	http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...n_page_id=1770 Heres 1 just for Sappy! Young boy dies as a result of negligence.... __________________ The Aerial Arborist Isle of Man Tree Surgeon\| All Aspects of Tree Work Andy@Aerial-Arborist.co.uk What experts say about TOPPING

5th February 2007, 01:48 AM	#14 (permalink)
Ekka Eric Frei Administrator - Brisbane L5 (Dip) Hort Cert III Arb + some Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 6,932	"An inspector alerted to the presence of the crack at the point of collapse would have been obliged immediately to deal with the problem either by felling it or removing its crown to ensure it didn't collapse." "The system of carrying out a survey was inadequate to ensure the safety of members of the public." National Trust park manager Steven Adams and Head estate warden Adam Riley were quizzed by police but not charged. Says it all, if it can be seen then you have no leg to stand on. The top of this pine is caught up and pines like this lose their integrity quickly. I have no feelings of guilt or anything dobbing in this owner, in fact, it might just save some-one an injury. People need to take responsibility for their vegetation, and they better know what an arborist is if they have trees. and on that note arborists better get their act together not to end up in hot water. __________________ Remember to use the "search" function, if you have answers/questions post them so everyone can benefit. Free Tree and Green Industry Link Directory Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding and Stump Removal Brisbane Brisbane Tree Care, Consultations, Developer, Tree and Arborist Reports Forum Sponsors

5th February 2007, 02:16 AM	#15 (permalink)
Sean Freeman PDF King & Arborist Extrodinaire Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Townsville Nth Queensland & Gold Coast Sth Queensland Posts: 1,671	I agree absolutely with your point Ekka that managers/owners of trees have to take responsibility for their trees, and as skilled and qualified people we should be the ones offering them a range of options as to how they can achieve that. But we should all be careful taking egs from the press, the events in Dunham Massey Park were played for all they were worth by the press in the UK at the time. Everyone was looking for someone to blame. The National Trust (Managers of the park) developed back in 1997 one of the better policies for managing tree risk it has been tested numerous times in British courts and was one of the first such policies to take seriously the issues arising from mixing people and trees in different conditions. National trust assessment.pdf I would argue that since 97' they should have improved their assessment tools, methods and training for grounds staff (since as you can see they're the ones assessing by and large). Also a big part of what I think Ekka's saying is if an Arborist spending the day in the park had been fortunate enough to see the biomechanical signs of serious trouble, then they sure as hell should make sure everyone knows about it. Thats part of our responsibility to Joe public and all their little kids. SF

5th February 2007, 02:55 AM	#16 (permalink)
TREE-SURFER Mature tree Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Isle of Man,UK. Posts: 410	Hey Ekka, this guy's brother in law is gonna fell this sucker (says the neighbour) just seen the piccy's. UK Law states that no un trained or non qualified persons (Public or Private) may clear branches limbs or whole tree's that surround urility wires. Whats your laws on the matter, just currious. __________________ The Aerial Arborist Isle of Man Tree Surgeon\| All Aspects of Tree Work Andy@Aerial-Arborist.co.uk What experts say about TOPPING