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| Admin - Owner Palm & Tree Services in Brisbane Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane
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Where does it say she was aware of the hazard? That from the information provided is a huge assumption. Was the hazard adequately reduced or isolated according the hierarchy matrix? If indeed there was a hazard and the manager was aware then it should have been isolated shouldn't it? If you are working on a tree on the footpath is it the publics fault when you drop a branch and they have wandered into your jobsite or is it your fault for not securing and isloating the jobsite? You are way wrong on this one.
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| Veteran Heritage Status Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Townsville Nth Queensland & Gold Coast Sth Queensland
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It is always terrible when someone is seriously hurt or killed, I feel very sorry for her family. Media generally are very unreliable sources of info about the facts relating to such cases they are more often than not a lot more interested in beating up the story. |
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Isn't every tree hazardous? What we don’t know is how likely it was for her to be hit (and killed) by a falling dead branch. If it was extremely unlikely then it may have been that the manager had acted appropriately. Correct me if I am wrong but aren’t their other ways of assessing risks other than using a matrix. Doesn't QTRA look at it in a different way? Stairs kill about 1 person in a million (UK data) each year yet there is no program to remove all stairs or to stop people from using them. Should the manager have taken action if the risk of a person being seriously harmed by the tree was only 1 in million? I think not though I am sure that there are many who would disagree Abe | |
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| Moderator - Previously known as JayD Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: TreeWorld, Sydney Australia
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Just Starting , I have been following this thread since it was first posted on Treeworld. I have been following your input aswell, I have noticed you seem to be posting in an antagonistic belligerent maner. Treeworld is all about furthering matters relating to Arboriculture, in good natured helpful comments on the subject being discussed. A place where anyone can pose questions post pictures and know they will receive helpful advice for free, your posts seem to lack the spirit this forum was intended for. Because of this your account is under review. JayD![]() Moderator Treeworld
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| Admin - Owner Palm & Tree Services in Brisbane Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane
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Often the same circle of events occur or same warning signs, things like not identifying themselves (anonymous), BS email addresses like optusnet or gmail etc, undermining others, arguing rhetoric, not validating their "sources", opinion passed as fact, pseudo cyber bullying specific posters and so on .... generally poor to no content is added however they also are experts in shitting on others content. When it's like that, it's goodbye, because it is my house and I decide who's invited and who isn't. So, being a little democratic about it your account was reviewed amongst others to make sure it wasn't just me reading the wrong thing. And the decision was made, goodbye Just Starting. ![]() Quote:
![]() Lets make some pretty sound assumptions about this case. 1/ The dead lady was 60 years old, I cannot see a 60 year old lady leaving the well beaten track so likely she was on some type of thoroughfare like a footpath or road. 2/ Management was notified twice, that means either more than one person thought it was hazardous enough or the one person was worried and reported it twice possibly wondering when something was going to be done about it. 3/ It was an apartment complex with a manager, he/she is then charged with OHS responsibility for the area and paid a fee/commission to manage the complex. It is then his/her job to do something about it. 4/ It was deadwood, which means it can shed at anytime regardless of weather. Now, if the manager did have or employ some sort of risk assessment system (QTRA or other) which demonstrated that the risk was simply too small to worry about then he/she will be tested in court, I suppose if he/she loses then he/she will sue the manufacturer of the tool they used for losses. Way I see it, nothing was done, deadwood fell hitting a person using a thoroughfare on a managed complex ... spells negligence. In many resorts the regular cleaning of coconut palms and the dreaded cocos palm is an ongoing event which also lead to the innovative coconet invention to manage these types of risks, hundreds of people a year die from falling coconuts, in fact more than die from shark attacks. Falling Coconuts Kill More People Than Shark Attacks Quote:
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| Bayside Tree Care Brisbane Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Brisbane Aus
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I see what you mean i jumped to the assumption that as the complex had been warned twice about the branch that they would have informed the residents, i assumed they would take the action of a reasonable person and cordon off the tree if it was thought to be hazardous. mistake noted.
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| Admin - Owner Palm & Tree Services in Brisbane Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane
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No worries. You know when you are working in public areas what the public are like. They'll even lift up a hazard tape to wander beneath it pushing a pram heading right under the tree you are cutting. When Jim1NZ and I were doing a crane job we had traffic control to stop pedestrians and cyclist when loads were being lifted. Anyway a guy on a bike with a little tow behind trailer with a kid in it, he wasn't stopping, he played dodge with the paddle pop man and went straight around him and flew past the bloke down the other end. When dealing with the public they say assume an intellect of a 12yo, I reckon it's a lot lower.
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| Bayside Tree Care Brisbane Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Brisbane Aus
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Yes i know that one, Kalangur, tower job large euc over the road, signs up everywhere, cones and traffic control in place, i gave the order to stop the traffic from the tower three cars at each end stopped, I put a wide gob in then started the back cut, then a female drove inside the cycle lane which was signed and marked closed past the cars, the traffic controller kicked the car in the door and shouted at her to stop, then an argument ensued i finished my cut and dropped the 5 meters of gum in the road 4 to 5 meters from the front of her car, there was a moment of silence then the traffic controller looked at me and smiled like i had just dropped it on cue, she got reported for that. 12 year old mentality from the public that was a mis print, 2 year old mentality is more like what i expect from the public.
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| Admin - Owner Palm & Tree Services in Brisbane Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane
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Post the source or evidence then. ![]() Here's another, perhaps take your fight there Mark Hartley as you are banned from here so dont troll! http://www.aims.gov.au/pages/researc...sharks-02.html
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10 years ago, while I was driving transport truck in a snow storm, I topped a hill, and at the top of the hill was a stop sign. I hit the brakes, went into a skid )because the road was covered with wet snow, I was grossed at 63,500 Kgs, and also going down hill), I went through a T intersection, Jackknifed the truck, went into a gully, taking down a Hydro Pole to boot. There was two transport trucks stopped before the intersection, because the lead truck saw the sparks fly from the hydro lines as they had fallen. This guy in a car, came along, pulled his car up beside the lead truck, and gave him heck, for stopping in the middle of the road. After this Bozo was finished giving the driver of the transport truck a piece of his mind, he drove his car, across the hydro lines that were laying across the road, not knowing if they were Live or Not. Goes to show you, that they are out there, everywhere. Bruce.
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