how do you ascend on a removal?

newguy18 · 30th December 2008, 12:09 PM

Just a poll to see how others ascend while performing a removal.I always go at it spurs,flipline and the climbline hanging off the side of my harness,after i reach my high point,i set my climbline and rigging line[if needed].

Therrin · 30th December 2008, 01:49 PM

You left out "spurs and two fliplines"

I often use that combo and leave the climbline out of it all together. Pines remember? Pines... Dont need a climbline for it.. just flip up, lop off the branches, get to the top, buck it down, and flip down as I go.

Silly Newguy.

newguy18 · 30th December 2008, 02:36 PM

Sorry.

Eric Frei · 30th December 2008, 07:42 PM

LOL, yeah I forgot. With palms for TD's I take two flip lines.

With smaller trees I flip to the high point and have the lifeline hanging somewhere out of my way but use it for limb changeovers.

You know, some "gurus" made a rule that you need a lifeline long enough to reach ground at all times, so the two flip line thing for palms in that idiot place would be out, and big tree climbers like McMahon would need to lug around 700' of rope to reach the ground DRT.

treefeller · 31st December 2008, 05:39 AM

On big stuff i use a lifeline as well as flip lines. If pines then i use two flip lines. And spurs

kevin clark · 1st January 2009, 02:39 AM

I use a adjustable friction saver on all T.D. it's safe and easy

ALPHA115 · 1st January 2009, 05:03 AM

We just started to tackle this problem in my area of guys using a figure 8 and repelling off their work line or cutting a "V" in the top of the stub and putting their repelling system in the "V" then repelling.
Bad news some guys have fallen.

So one thing we have come up with is lowering one side of the life line to the ground, tying a butterfly knot with a carabiner, girth hitch it around the trunk of the tree, then use a Distel or a Schwabisch around the long end of the rope, install a munter hitch or a figure 8 under the Distel (to stop the knot from binding or taking off).
Then do a single line decent. When you get to the ground pull the other end of the rope and pull the whole system out of the tree. This works great and allows us to pull over the large stubs we have.
As opposed to blocking them down.
Hope I explained this well enough for you to understand it?

dannyboysfc · 2nd January 2009, 06:19 PM

For the most part I go at it with my 2 in 1 lanyard(double ended flip line) and a climb line, oh yeah spikes too. With this gear I can be pretty versatile; spike and flipline up even using the climb line as a 2nd lanyard if needed, or set the climbline and use it with the spikes and flipline to ascend, can decend srt by tying the climb line to the top of the stick and decending using one biner and munter hitch, etc.... Point is I find this setup very versatile.

yooper · 4th January 2009, 05:15 PM

When i am climbing a tree for a take down with my hooks on I take every branch off, except low long ones that will come back and kick my nuts out though my mouth. I then tie in at the top take care of business from there. and all is good.

Q.Q. · 7th January 2009, 10:11 PM

Two wire core flip lines 10foot, 15 foot, and spures.I take the life line up and set it, than go to work.

If I feel like it I sometimes set the life line from the ground, depends on the tree I find.

newguy18 · 9th January 2009, 12:56 AM

two fliplines and a climbline?thats 3 tie ins,lord are you that scared of cutting two lanyards?

Galbee · 9th January 2009, 08:18 AM

I put a top line in where i can, usually spread disiduous, tall thin single limb trees i use a wire core flipline and a cinched lanyard made from the end of my 10mm 45ft long climbing line (justin case) both with spurs this enables me to decend safely and quickly if the need arises.

newguy18 · 9th January 2009, 08:24 AM

Everyone here knows i'm old school,climb to my high piont,tie in do all the work out of the climb line,go back up,top it out,clip the climbline into my side dee out of the way and block down useing my 45' lanyard,unless in the vicinity of power.I trie the split tail and cinched up climbline but didn't like it,to slow,i perfer tail tied tautline hitch.

Q.Q. · 9th January 2009, 09:59 PM

Just like that secure feeling bud. You would be suprized at how quick I can work all that when I want to.
And yes my saws are pretty sharp with the sh....t I have to cut around here.

Havn't really seen too much other stuff to know any different.

bigshea13 · 10th January 2009, 12:42 AM

whats up new guy? put a micro pulley over the tail of your climb line...then hook it with a caribeaner right next to where u tied you line to your saddle,just under byour hitch. when yur thrusting or taking up slack in line just pull up on you tail. my fav hitch is the blake but i see you ve got a diff one

newguy18 · 10th January 2009, 02:57 AM

I actually tried that,but didn't like it,its okay on the vt,distel or swabisch,just not the tautline.

Q.Q. · 10th January 2009, 11:24 PM

Yep tried it too, is ok for mabie fun climbing but too much crap on the biner in front of me.Does make takeing up the slak easy though.

pomme · 12th January 2009, 07:17 AM

It depends on the tree. I dislike spikes and only use them when i need to. sometimes i dismantle the crown and then use spikes to log log the trunk down.at other times i ll spike from the ground up with a flipline and climbing line

jomoco · 26th June 2009, 08:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dannyboysfc

For the most part I go at it with my 2 in 1 lanyard(double ended flip line) and a climb line, oh yeah spikes too. With this gear I can be pretty versatile; spike and flipline up even using the climb line as a 2nd lanyard if needed, or set the climbline and use it with the spikes and flipline to ascend, can decend srt by tying the climb line to the top of the stick and decending using one biner and munter hitch, etc.... Point is I find this setup very versatile.

Got a question for yu Danny lad!

In your avatar presumably depicting you in a perfectly pruned wash fan, I'd like to know if you did your picture perfect pruning with knives or something else?

Perfect pruning Danny Boy, and my money says you're a knife artist lad!

jomoco

Eric Frei · 26th June 2009, 09:30 AM

Nah, he took too much off ... fronds should sit lower... 9 o'clock and 3 o'clock.

Pruning - Landscape plants - Edward F. Gilman - UF/IFAS

jomoco · 26th June 2009, 10:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ekka

Nah, he took too much off ... fronds should sit lower... 9 o'clock and 3 o'clock.

Pruning - Landscape plants - Edward F. Gilman - UF/IFAS

You're right Ekka, but what the Hilton empire wants see, the Hilton empire gets see, yeah yeah.....or else else it's curtains.... and some bum with a chainsaw and a tall lift murderlizes them leaving only three nicked fronds.

I've always believed that climbing and pruning very tall slicked wash fans was best done with just a couple of properly sharpened carpet knives with wrist lanyards in each hand, and I still believe it today.

Peeling tall fans with the same type of knife but shorter, has to be the best aerobic workout in the entire tree biz!

There is an art to pruning and peeling wash fans with knives that many arborists are unaware of mate!

Don't listen to the callous man Danny Boy! Yu done just fine!

It's amazing how heavy the fruit can be at different stages of it's development, outweighing a simple frond, even a green one by a huge order of magnitude! I could swear I've cut fruit stalks in them weighng well in excess of 75 lbs! A real wrist twister to hold onto! Some could only be handled by cutting them in halves with the knife.

Knives also work surprisingly well on queen palm fruit missile silos that can weigh over 100 lbs!

jomoco

Eric Frei · 26th June 2009, 11:53 AM

Everyone here likes to scalp the buggers here too, reason being they think you'll be away longer before returning.

I prefer one cut about 2" above the root ball.

Martin · 5th July 2009, 03:18 AM

Two straps and spurs on my way up and always have my climb line in a rope bag on my back. It's flaked in and sits on my hip as I rappell or move through the tree. I don't bring my rope up at all if I'm in a conifer like a fir or cedar etc....

Martin · 5th July 2009, 03:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ALPHA115

We just started to tackle this problem in my area of guys using a figure 8 and repelling off their work line or cutting a "V" in the top of the stub and putting their repelling system in the "V" then repelling.
Bad news some guys have fallen.

So one thing we have come up with is lowering one side of the life line to the ground, tying a butterfly knot with a carabiner, girth hitch it around the trunk of the tree, then use a Distel or a Schwabisch around the long end of the rope, install a munter hitch or a figure 8 under the Distel (to stop the knot from binding or taking off).
Then do a single line decent. When you get to the ground pull the other end of the rope and pull the whole system out of the tree. This works great and allows us to pull over the large stubs we have.
As opposed to blocking them down.
Hope I explained this well enough for you to understand it?

Alot of single stemmers out here use that method but I wouldn't call it a "V" the general rule here is to cut down at least the width of your bar and then widen the bottom to the width of your rope. This is pretty secure and I would have a hard time seeing the rope flip out of there once your on the rappell down. Just be sure that there is no funny knot or anything to cause the rope to ride up one side. If everything is clean and cuts are made properly then everything is good with that method in my opinion.

letigre · 7th July 2009, 09:10 PM

check this out. a mate sent it to me the other day. pretty clever.

YouTube - DLRW

Galbee · 8th July 2009, 08:55 PM

Very clever, i liked that its great to see how others work

jomoco · 12th July 2009, 02:45 AM

Great scott! That man is brilliant!

His technique for ascending with leg power alone is totally logical to the nnnnth degree!

Hats off to his brilliant innovative mind!

Is he Scotch?

jomoco

letigre · 14th July 2009, 07:08 PM

pretty sure hes a yank.

letigre · 15th July 2009, 07:15 PM

gerald bernak (i dont know how to spell his last name). good dude. got a few vids out.

Eric Frei · 15th July 2009, 09:38 PM

He's a yank, MB's buddy!

Just shows no-ones perfect.

View Poll Results: how do you ascend while performing a take down?
spurs and a flipline,climbline hanging off the side d ring.	18	31.58%
pre installed climbline.	4	7.02%
loops and a flip line.	0	0%
spurs flipline and climbline cinched up.	12	21.05%
footlocking.	1	1.75%
depends on tree and location.	35	61.40%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 57. You may not vote on this poll

30th December 2008, 12:09 PM	#1
newguy18 Part of the Furniture Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: orlando,fl Posts: 5,206	how do you ascend on a removal? Just a poll to see how others ascend while performing a removal.I always go at it spurs,flipline and the climbline hanging off the side of my harness,after i reach my high point,i set my climbline and rigging line[if needed]. __________________ Have your say join us today. I ship USA saws out of the USA old schooler

30th December 2008, 01:49 PM	#2
Therrin Former Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Bakersfield, Ca Posts: 2,732	Re: how do you ascend on a removal? You left out "spurs and two fliplines" I often use that combo and leave the climbline out of it all together. Pines remember? Pines... Dont need a climbline for it.. just flip up, lop off the branches, get to the top, buck it down, and flip down as I go. Silly Newguy.

30th December 2008, 02:36 PM	#3
newguy18 Part of the Furniture Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: orlando,fl Posts: 5,206	Re: how do you ascend on a removal? Sorry. __________________ Have your say join us today. I ship USA saws out of the USA old schooler

30th December 2008, 07:42 PM	#4
Eric Frei Admin - Australia's most prominant Arborist - prev Ekka Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 10,799	Re: how do you ascend on a removal? LOL, yeah I forgot. With palms for TD's I take two flip lines. With smaller trees I flip to the high point and have the lifeline hanging somewhere out of my way but use it for limb changeovers. You know, some "gurus" made a rule that you need a lifeline long enough to reach ground at all times, so the two flip line thing for palms in that idiot place would be out, and big tree climbers like McMahon would need to lug around 700' of rope to reach the ground DRT. __________________ Free Online Tree Value Calculator by TreeWorld Free Online TPZ and SRZ AS4970-2009 Calculator by TreeWorld Free Online Tree Surface Area and Tree Volume Calculator by TreeWorld My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist \| Project Arborist

31st December 2008, 05:39 AM	#5
treefeller Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: aaa Posts: 241	Re: how do you ascend on a removal? On big stuff i use a lifeline as well as flip lines. If pines then i use two flip lines. And spurs

1st January 2009, 02:39 AM	#6
kevin clark Sappling Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Corning new york, USA Posts: 26	Re: how do you ascend on a removal? I use a adjustable friction saver on all T.D. it's safe and easy __________________ Hairy clark

1st January 2009, 05:03 AM	#7
ALPHA115 I'm new here so be nice Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Vancouver, Canada Posts: 2	Re: how do you ascend on a removal? We just started to tackle this problem in my area of guys using a figure 8 and repelling off their work line or cutting a "V" in the top of the stub and putting their repelling system in the "V" then repelling. Bad news some guys have fallen. So one thing we have come up with is lowering one side of the life line to the ground, tying a butterfly knot with a carabiner, girth hitch it around the trunk of the tree, then use a Distel or a Schwabisch around the long end of the rope, install a munter hitch or a figure 8 under the Distel (to stop the knot from binding or taking off). Then do a single line decent. When you get to the ground pull the other end of the rope and pull the whole system out of the tree. This works great and allows us to pull over the large stubs we have. As opposed to blocking them down. Hope I explained this well enough for you to understand it?

2nd January 2009, 06:19 PM	#8
dannyboysfc Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: California Posts: 195	Re: how do you ascend on a removal? For the most part I go at it with my 2 in 1 lanyard(double ended flip line) and a climb line, oh yeah spikes too. With this gear I can be pretty versatile; spike and flipline up even using the climb line as a 2nd lanyard if needed, or set the climbline and use it with the spikes and flipline to ascend, can decend srt by tying the climb line to the top of the stick and decending using one biner and munter hitch, etc.... Point is I find this setup very versatile.

4th January 2009, 05:15 PM	#9
yooper Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Upper Michigan U.S.A. Posts: 138	Re: how do you ascend on a removal? When i am climbing a tree for a take down with my hooks on I take every branch off, except low long ones that will come back and kick my nuts out though my mouth. I then tie in at the top take care of business from there. and all is good.

7th January 2009, 10:11 PM	#10
Q.Q. Mature tree Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Western QLD. Australia Posts: 303	Re: how do you ascend on a removal? Two wire core flip lines 10foot, 15 foot, and spures.I take the life line up and set it, than go to work. If I feel like it I sometimes set the life line from the ground, depends on the tree I find. __________________ Q,Q's Tree & Garden Maintenance FAMILARITY BREEDS CONTEMPT

9th January 2009, 12:56 AM	#11
newguy18 Part of the Furniture Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: orlando,fl Posts: 5,206	Re: how do you ascend on a removal? two fliplines and a climbline?thats 3 tie ins,lord are you that scared of cutting two lanyards? __________________ Have your say join us today. I ship USA saws out of the USA old schooler Last edited by newguy18; 9th January 2009 at 02:30 AM. Reason: karnt speel.

9th January 2009, 08:18 AM	#12
Galbee Veteran Heritage Status Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Brisbane Aus Posts: 1,329	Re: how do you ascend on a removal? I put a top line in where i can, usually spread disiduous, tall thin single limb trees i use a wire core flipline and a cinched lanyard made from the end of my 10mm 45ft long climbing line (justin case) both with spurs this enables me to decend safely and quickly if the need arises. __________________ In the land of the blind, the man with one eye is king

9th January 2009, 08:24 AM	#13
newguy18 Part of the Furniture Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: orlando,fl Posts: 5,206	Re: how do you ascend on a removal? Everyone here knows i'm old school,climb to my high piont,tie in do all the work out of the climb line,go back up,top it out,clip the climbline into my side dee out of the way and block down useing my 45' lanyard,unless in the vicinity of power.I trie the split tail and cinched up climbline but didn't like it,to slow,i perfer tail tied tautline hitch. __________________ Have your say join us today. I ship USA saws out of the USA old schooler

9th January 2009, 09:59 PM	#14
Q.Q. Mature tree Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Western QLD. Australia Posts: 303	Re: how do you ascend on a removal? Just like that secure feeling bud. You would be suprized at how quick I can work all that when I want to. And yes my saws are pretty sharp with the sh....t I have to cut around here. Havn't really seen too much other stuff to know any different. __________________ Q,Q's Tree & Garden Maintenance FAMILARITY BREEDS CONTEMPT

10th January 2009, 12:42 AM	#15
bigshea13 Former Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: super 8 motels Posts: 387	Re: how do you ascend on a removal? whats up new guy? put a micro pulley over the tail of your climb line...then hook it with a caribeaner right next to where u tied you line to your saddle,just under byour hitch. when yur thrusting or taking up slack in line just pull up on you tail. my fav hitch is the blake but i see you ve got a diff one

10th January 2009, 02:57 AM	#16
newguy18 Part of the Furniture Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: orlando,fl Posts: 5,206	Re: how do you ascend on a removal? I actually tried that,but didn't like it,its okay on the vt,distel or swabisch,just not the tautline. __________________ Have your say join us today. I ship USA saws out of the USA old schooler

10th January 2009, 11:24 PM	#17
Q.Q. Mature tree Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Western QLD. Australia Posts: 303	Re: how do you ascend on a removal? Yep tried it too, is ok for mabie fun climbing but too much crap on the biner in front of me.Does make takeing up the slak easy though. __________________ Q,Q's Tree & Garden Maintenance FAMILARITY BREEDS CONTEMPT

12th January 2009, 07:17 AM	#18
pomme Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: england Posts: 241	Re: how do you ascend on a removal? It depends on the tree. I dislike spikes and only use them when i need to. sometimes i dismantle the crown and then use spikes to log log the trunk down.at other times i ll spike from the ground up with a flipline and climbing line

26th June 2009, 09:30 AM	#20
Eric Frei Admin - Australia's most prominant Arborist - prev Ekka Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 10,799	Re: how do you ascend on a removal? Nah, he took too much off ... fronds should sit lower... 9 o'clock and 3 o'clock. Pruning - Landscape plants - Edward F. Gilman - UF/IFAS __________________ Free Online Tree Value Calculator by TreeWorld Free Online TPZ and SRZ AS4970-2009 Calculator by TreeWorld Free Online Tree Surface Area and Tree Volume Calculator by TreeWorld My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist \| Project Arborist

26th June 2009, 11:53 AM	#22
Eric Frei Admin - Australia's most prominant Arborist - prev Ekka Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 10,799	Re: how do you ascend on a removal? Everyone here likes to scalp the buggers here too, reason being they think you'll be away longer before returning. I prefer one cut about 2" above the root ball. __________________ Free Online Tree Value Calculator by TreeWorld Free Online TPZ and SRZ AS4970-2009 Calculator by TreeWorld Free Online Tree Surface Area and Tree Volume Calculator by TreeWorld My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist \| Project Arborist

5th July 2009, 03:18 AM	#23
Martin Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Duncan, BC, Canada Posts: 51	Re: how do you ascend on a removal? Two straps and spurs on my way up and always have my climb line in a rope bag on my back. It's flaked in and sits on my hip as I rappell or move through the tree. I don't bring my rope up at all if I'm in a conifer like a fir or cedar etc....

7th July 2009, 09:10 PM	#25
letigre Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 164	Re: how do you ascend on a removal? check this out. a mate sent it to me the other day. pretty clever. YouTube - DLRW __________________ sticks before chicks

8th July 2009, 08:55 PM	#26
Galbee Veteran Heritage Status Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Brisbane Aus Posts: 1,329	Re: how do you ascend on a removal? Very clever, i liked that its great to see how others work __________________ In the land of the blind, the man with one eye is king

12th July 2009, 02:45 AM	#27
jomoco Sappling Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: San Diego Posts: 43	Re: how do you ascend on a removal? Great scott! That man is brilliant! His technique for ascending with leg power alone is totally logical to the nnnnth degree! Hats off to his brilliant innovative mind! Is he Scotch? jomoco

14th July 2009, 07:08 PM	#28
letigre Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 164	Re: how do you ascend on a removal? pretty sure hes a yank. __________________ sticks before chicks

15th July 2009, 07:15 PM	#29
letigre Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 164	Re: how do you ascend on a removal? gerald bernak (i dont know how to spell his last name). good dude. got a few vids out. __________________ sticks before chicks

15th July 2009, 09:38 PM	#30
Eric Frei Admin - Australia's most prominant Arborist - prev Ekka Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 10,799	Re: how do you ascend on a removal? He's a yank, MB's buddy! Just shows no-ones perfect. __________________ Free Online Tree Value Calculator by TreeWorld Free Online TPZ and SRZ AS4970-2009 Calculator by TreeWorld Free Online Tree Surface Area and Tree Volume Calculator by TreeWorld My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist \| Project Arborist

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