How bad is land clearing in your area?

newguy18 · 7th July 2007, 07:11 PM

In my area of north Flordia every time you turn around it seems like someone sold thier land the buyer pays a guy with a couple dozers and they push all the trees over.Or old man dies has a farm and same thing someone comes in tears all the trees out burns the brush and leaves a pile of coals and a tore up strip of land.Just curious if it happens often with anyone else.

Ekka · 7th July 2007, 07:18 PM

Brisbane.

Always more developing, more shops, more houses, expand expand ... up here there's lots of it.

The tree ordinances are under local council rule so varies a lot from place to place, some protected some not, and some good decisions made and some bad.

What is poor is that if trees are retained that there's no Tree Protection Zone so they get clobbered by dozers, roots shredded etc .... other places put bonds on trees and enforce saving them.

Just depends where you are and what council it is .... and of course the type of trees and development. However, we certainly as a species like to screw nature as much as we can.

newguy18 · 7th July 2007, 07:24 PM

I'm not against tree work at all as I am trying to make a career out of it I just think our county should regulate how much they are allowed to remove trees.Around here 1 company will clear 2 strips of land on average per day and there is probably 25 companies that do it here in Live oak.I think that is pretty alarming.

Sean Freeman · 7th July 2007, 07:51 PM

I'm not one of those guys who likes to be a doom sayer, in fact I believe in the ability of humans to fix anything if they really apply themselves, but this is a natural system and it has limits beyond which it will not be able to recover in the ways we would like.

These pics aren't the best but they get the point across...

First the percentage area of remaining native woody vegetation 1990-91

Source: Land cover change in Australia: results of the collaborative Bureau of Rural Sciences-state agencies' project on remote sensing of agricultural land cover change, Michele Barson, Lucy Randall and Vivien Bordas, 2000.

next the distribution of clearing (ha) of woody vegetation 1990-91 to 1995 for agriculture, grazing and development.

Source: Land cover change in Australia: results of the collaborative Bureau of Rural Sciences-state agencies' project on remote sensing of agricultural land cover change, Michele Barson, Lucy Randall and Vivien Bordas, 2000.

You will I hope notice some similarities in the geographic location of both the native veg and the clearing?

and last but not least the extent of clearing over the study period by Interim Biogeographic Region. In this one red is really really bad.

Source: Land cover change in Australia: results of the collaborative Bureau of Rural Sciences-state agencies' project on remote sensing of agricultural land cover change, Michele Barson, Lucy Randall and Vivien Bordas, 2000.

By heck it makes you proud to be a Queenslander don't you think???

Despite all the laws passed in the last 5yrs I still see massive landclearing, offenders getting ridiculously small penalties, and even after those penalties repeating the offences.

By the way I live at the uppermost point on the red area.

newguy18 · 7th July 2007, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by boa07

I'm not one of those guys who likes to be a doom sayer, in fact I believe in the ability of humans to fix anything if they really apply themselves, but this is a natural system and it has limits beyond which it will not be able to recover in the ways we would like.

These pics aren't the best but they get the point across...

First the percentage area of remaining native woody vegetation 1990-91

Source: Land cover change in Australia: results of the collaborative Bureau of Rural Sciences-state agencies' project on remote sensing of agricultural land cover change, Michele Barson, Lucy Randall and Vivien Bordas, 2000.

next the distribution of clearing (ha) of woody vegetation 1990-91 to 1995 for agriculture, grazing and development.

Source: Land cover change in Australia: results of the collaborative Bureau of Rural Sciences-state agencies' project on remote sensing of agricultural land cover change, Michele Barson, Lucy Randall and Vivien Bordas, 2000.

You will I hope notice some similarities in the geographic location of both the native veg and the clearing?

and last but not least the extent of clearing over the study period by Interim Biogeographic Region. In this one red is really really bad.

Source: Land cover change in Australia: results of the collaborative Bureau of Rural Sciences-state agencies' project on remote sensing of agricultural land cover change, Michele Barson, Lucy Randall and Vivien Bordas, 2000.

By heck it makes you proud to be a Queenslander don't you think???

Despite all the laws passed in the last 5yrs I still see massive landclearing, offenders getting ridiculously small penalties, and even after those penalties repeating the offences.

By the way I live at the uppermost point on the red area.

That's pretty bad but here in Flordia there are no regulations all that is required is get a permit and show proof of insurance.So basically all you need is a pickup,a dozer ,a chainsaw to cut it up just small enough to burn,and about 60 k in insurance.

Ekka · 8th July 2007, 09:57 PM

Queensland had the 6th worst landclearing record on the planet and only effective this year did a new law prohibiting wholesale land clearing get enacted.

But it took them years and years to get it into place although the problem was thoroughly hashed out ages ago, they gave time for clearing and some permits still being enacted upon that were granted.

I also have looked at those maps Boa and now what you do is overlay the rainfall maps and wella! Where lots of clearing has taken place the rainfall has dropped.

Remember when Mr Beatty went out to those cotton fields with his cheque book, he had an open cheque to buy them out and let the waters to the Darling system flow again ... they wouldn't sell for anything and pissed him off!

The irony I find in this place is they like to re-invent the wheel than take a leaf from some-one elses book.

allmarktree · 14th July 2007, 04:35 AM

Bulldozers are not the waqy to do it. This is
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUaTqgPxBeY

7th July 2007, 07:11 PM	#1 (permalink)
newguy18 Part of the Furniture Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Live Oak Florida home of the crapiest trees you will ever see. Posts: 2,740	How bad is land clearing in your area? In my area of north Flordia every time you turn around it seems like someone sold thier land the buyer pays a guy with a couple dozers and they push all the trees over.Or old man dies has a farm and same thing someone comes in tears all the trees out burns the brush and leaves a pile of coals and a tore up strip of land.Just curious if it happens often with anyone else. __________________ Have your say join us today. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xzkd_m4ivmc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xzfzb...eature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-OqK...eature=related

7th July 2007, 07:18 PM	#2 (permalink)
Ekka Eric Frei Administrator - Brisbane L5 (Dip) Hort Cert III Arb + some Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 7,405	Brisbane. Always more developing, more shops, more houses, expand expand ... up here there's lots of it. The tree ordinances are under local council rule so varies a lot from place to place, some protected some not, and some good decisions made and some bad. What is poor is that if trees are retained that there's no Tree Protection Zone so they get clobbered by dozers, roots shredded etc .... other places put bonds on trees and enforce saving them. Just depends where you are and what council it is .... and of course the type of trees and development. However, we certainly as a species like to screw nature as much as we can. __________________ Remember to use the "search" function, if you have answers/questions post them so everyone can benefit. Free Tree and Green Industry Link Directory Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding and Stump Removal Brisbane Brisbane Tree Care, Consultations, Developer, Tree and Arborist Reports Forum Sponsors

7th July 2007, 07:24 PM	#3 (permalink)
newguy18 Part of the Furniture Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Live Oak Florida home of the crapiest trees you will ever see. Posts: 2,740	I'm not against tree work at all as I am trying to make a career out of it I just think our county should regulate how much they are allowed to remove trees.Around here 1 company will clear 2 strips of land on average per day and there is probably 25 companies that do it here in Live oak.I think that is pretty alarming. __________________ Have your say join us today. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xzkd_m4ivmc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xzfzb...eature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-OqK...eature=related

8th July 2007, 09:57 PM	#6 (permalink)
Ekka Eric Frei Administrator - Brisbane L5 (Dip) Hort Cert III Arb + some Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 7,405	Queensland had the 6th worst landclearing record on the planet and only effective this year did a new law prohibiting wholesale land clearing get enacted. But it took them years and years to get it into place although the problem was thoroughly hashed out ages ago, they gave time for clearing and some permits still being enacted upon that were granted. I also have looked at those maps Boa and now what you do is overlay the rainfall maps and wella! Where lots of clearing has taken place the rainfall has dropped. Remember when Mr Beatty went out to those cotton fields with his cheque book, he had an open cheque to buy them out and let the waters to the Darling system flow again ... they wouldn't sell for anything and pissed him off! The irony I find in this place is they like to re-invent the wheel than take a leaf from some-one elses book. __________________ Remember to use the "search" function, if you have answers/questions post them so everyone can benefit. Free Tree and Green Industry Link Directory Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding and Stump Removal Brisbane Brisbane Tree Care, Consultations, Developer, Tree and Arborist Reports Forum Sponsors

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14th July 2007, 04:35 AM	#7 (permalink)
allmarktree Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Albany, New York Posts: 130	Bulldozers are not the waqy to do it. This is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUaTqgPxBeY