Help from our friends in the US

playfordtree · 16th November 2007, 05:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ekka

Their solution might be to double to USA price inline with everywhere else.

Now that,

would be friggin funny.

With that sort of thinking you could get yourself a job as a corporate economist tomorrow!

DBS · 16th November 2007, 05:54 AM

Are there any physical differences from USA saw to AUS saw??

-Daryl

Ekka · 16th November 2007, 12:11 PM

Yes, the Australian model saw leaves you with a very very thin wallet.

.... but jokes aside no.

With larger saws there's differences with the bumper spikes and side covers sometimes depending on where you buy them in the USA coz the east coast guys vs the west coast guys thing goes on.... you know, who's got the biggest bar thing!

JayD · 16th November 2007, 12:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ekka

the east coast guys vs the west coast guys thing goes on.... you know, who's got the biggest bar thing!

So your saying we all weren't created equall?

As long as it does the job does it matter?

shaggs · 17th November 2007, 03:43 AM

Nice letter Simon.
Will be interesting to hear the reply....then we can sen one!!!

Therrin · 18th November 2007, 01:09 AM

Well, say the client wants the job done quickly, but also wants it to be done properly. If you've got a bigger ..um... bar. you may be able to get things handled quicker. Especially if you've got the power to back up the bar. I think a newer saw might do a better job in this situation... run more efficiently and smoothly. Runnin out of gas half way through the project wouldn't be so great either. Some of them older saws really guzzle fuel and just dont have any "staying power". Runnin out before the job's done is just a serious waste of time....

It's the details sometimes that make for better customer satisfaction ;-)

Therrin · 19th November 2007, 03:13 AM

Wait, oh... whoops... were you guys talking about *trees*?

=P

playfordtree · 19th November 2007, 10:31 PM

Okay i have had a response from Stihl,
here it is.

Quote:

"Hello Simon,

Thank you for your question regarding the price of STIHL products in Australia.

As you have written, the price of STIHL products varies around the world according to various costs. In Australia we have a suggested retail price for our products and by law we cannot dictate the price that our dealers sell our products for. I do acknowledge that the dealers in general will sell the product at about the recommended retail price.

Unlike our companies in the USA and Europe we do not have any manufacturing facilities in Australia. We are required to import our products and incur the shipping and holding costs of doing this.

The cost of the product to us is finally determined by the price we are charged from our supplier and all cost’s to land the product. We then allow for an acceptable margin to cover the cost of running our business and providing a profit to our owners.

As we only sell our products through the servicing dealer network there must be the opportunity for the dealers to cover the cost of running their business.

I suspect that you know all of this already. I am unable to give you specific costs and margins however I assure you we do not inflate our prices to make high margins. I believe that this is obvious if you compare our prices to our legitimate competitors in Australia. We are in a market driven business and must remain competitive to sell product.

To put it another way, if our legitimate competitors could drop their prices and take us out of business I am sure they would.

Your support of STIHL products is appreciated and I hope that it continues. I wish you well in your own business.

Regards

Ken Collier

Commercial Manager"

There are more holes in this response than swiss cheese!

I will think on it for a day or so then respond.

In the meantime if anyone else can think of good arguements to Stihls response then please post them and i will include them in my next email to Stihl.

JayD · 19th November 2007, 10:53 PM

I think this blokes just taken his boots off, cause something sure smells about this, If they can sell in the US a 200T for $500, Surely they can do the same here, Before our exchange rate just about equalised noone really noticed, A smoke screen so to speak, To the States or to Australia there couldn't be that much differance,...correct me if I'm wrong.

playfordtree · 19th November 2007, 11:24 PM

Your right JayD, all smoke and mirrors.

If Ekka can get a saw freighted here for around $100, Stihl would be able to get them freighted for a lot less.

How much can their holding costs be?
surely it cant be too much per saw.

When he talks about their competitors pricing, what he means in my opinion is "well if they can get away with it so can we!"

Ekka · 20th November 2007, 01:44 AM

What did I say, same ole same ole!

If the USA is retailing 200T's for $500 how much are they buying them wholesale for?

How about this, why cant the Dealer source the saw at wholesale direct from either USA or Germany and tell the Stihl distributors to rack off as they obviously are grossly inefficient? With USA we have a free trade agreement but not with Germany .... so perhaps Germany is preventing "free trade"!

Quote:

In Australia we have a suggested retail price for our products and by law we cannot dictate the price that our dealers sell our products for.

And is it fair to say that there may be possible collusion between Stihl dealers? All having the same price, same specials and not allowed to sell via internet to reduce costs and increase efficiencies?

Keep pushing, push hard, and push these pertinent points.

TreeCo · 20th November 2007, 07:26 AM

I bet as soon as USA saws start showing up in Australia to be repaired that the dealer will have the serial numbers traced to their orgin in the USA......and then directly to the person shipping from the USA.

There is no doubt that Stihl dealers here in the states work together to fix prices.

Ekka · 20th November 2007, 05:21 PM

They go hard on them here and it's in the headlines with this Billionaire worth $54Billion dollars being one of the worst cartels yet, they done his ass but not personally just the company!

Pratt headed worst cartel, says judge - National - theage.com.au

Should have jailed his ass!

Oil companies are next for sure.

a_lopa · 20th November 2007, 05:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TreeCo

I bet as soon as USA saws start showing up in Australia to be repaired that the dealer will have the serial numbers traced to their orgin in the USA......and then directly to the person shipping from the USA.

There is no doubt that Stihl dealers here in the states work together to fix prices.

My local dealer hates seeing my imported saws...

16th November 2007, 05:54 AM	#77 (permalink)
DBS Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: CT USA Posts: 205	Re: Help from our friends in the US Are there any physical differences from USA saw to AUS saw?? -Daryl __________________ Stihl MS 200T Stihl MS 361

16th November 2007, 12:11 PM	#78 (permalink)
Ekka Eric Frei Administrator - Brisbane L5 (Dip) Hort Cert III Arb + some Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 6,943	Re: Help from our friends in the US Yes, the Australian model saw leaves you with a very very thin wallet. .... but jokes aside no. With larger saws there's differences with the bumper spikes and side covers sometimes depending on where you buy them in the USA coz the east coast guys vs the west coast guys thing goes on.... you know, who's got the biggest bar thing! __________________ Remember to use the "search" function, if you have answers/questions post them so everyone can benefit. Free Tree and Green Industry Link Directory Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding and Stump Removal Brisbane Brisbane Tree Care, Consultations, Developer, Tree and Arborist Reports Forum Sponsors

17th November 2007, 03:43 AM	#80 (permalink)
shaggs Mature tree Join Date: May 2007 Location: sydney Posts: 462	Re: Help from our friends in the US Nice letter Simon. Will be interesting to hear the reply....then we can sen one!!!

18th November 2007, 01:09 AM	#81 (permalink)
Therrin The Tree World Bandit Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Lancaster, Ca Posts: 1,273	Re: Help from our friends in the US Well, say the client wants the job done quickly, but also wants it to be done properly. If you've got a bigger ..um... bar. you may be able to get things handled quicker. Especially if you've got the power to back up the bar. I think a newer saw might do a better job in this situation... run more efficiently and smoothly. Runnin out of gas half way through the project wouldn't be so great either. Some of them older saws really guzzle fuel and just dont have any "staying power". Runnin out before the job's done is just a serious waste of time.... It's the details sometimes that make for better customer satisfaction ;-) __________________ Ken Fessia I.T.S.A. Tree Service (661) 916-4703

19th November 2007, 03:13 AM	#82 (permalink)
Therrin The Tree World Bandit Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Lancaster, Ca Posts: 1,273	Re: Help from our friends in the US Wait, oh... whoops... were you guys talking about trees? =P __________________ Ken Fessia I.T.S.A. Tree Service (661) 916-4703

19th November 2007, 10:53 PM	#84 (permalink)
JayD Over mature heritage tree Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Sydney Posts: 941	Re: Help from our friends in the US I think this blokes just taken his boots off, cause something sure smells about this, If they can sell in the US a 200T for $500, Surely they can do the same here, Before our exchange rate just about equalised noone really noticed, A smoke screen so to speak, To the States or to Australia there couldn't be that much differance,...correct me if I'm wrong. __________________ Free Tree and Green Industry Link Directory

19th November 2007, 11:24 PM	#85 (permalink)
playfordtree Mature tree Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Adelaide Australia Posts: 340	Re: Help from our friends in the US Your right JayD, all smoke and mirrors. If Ekka can get a saw freighted here for around $100, Stihl would be able to get them freighted for a lot less. How much can their holding costs be? surely it cant be too much per saw. When he talks about their competitors pricing, what he means in my opinion is "well if they can get away with it so can we!" __________________ I Drink Therefore I am.

20th November 2007, 07:26 AM	#87 (permalink)
TreeCo Mature tree Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Georgia, USA Posts: 259	Re: Help from our friends in the US I bet as soon as USA saws start showing up in Australia to be repaired that the dealer will have the serial numbers traced to their orgin in the USA......and then directly to the person shipping from the USA. There is no doubt that Stihl dealers here in the states work together to fix prices.

20th November 2007, 05:21 PM	#88 (permalink)
Ekka Eric Frei Administrator - Brisbane L5 (Dip) Hort Cert III Arb + some Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 6,943	Re: Help from our friends in the US They go hard on them here and it's in the headlines with this Billionaire worth $54Billion dollars being one of the worst cartels yet, they done his ass but not personally just the company! Pratt headed worst cartel, says judge - National - theage.com.au Should have jailed his ass! Oil companies are next for sure. __________________ Remember to use the "search" function, if you have answers/questions post them so everyone can benefit. Free Tree and Green Industry Link Directory Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding and Stump Removal Brisbane Brisbane Tree Care, Consultations, Developer, Tree and Arborist Reports Forum Sponsors

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