Have Weaver Leather copied the Harrison rocket? You decide.

Eric Frei · 10th October 2007, 09:43 PM

Copy of email just sent to Sherrills

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----- Original Message -----
From: <eric@treeworld,info>
To: <info@sherrilltree,com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 8:42 PM
Subject: Sherrill's throwbag a Harrison Rocket Copy allegation

Hi

I'm Eric Frei who runs the Tree World forum from Brisbane Australia.

It has come to light that a new throw bag by your company is very similar to a legendary Harrison Rocket throwbag made in New Zealand by a working arborist called Andy Harrison.

Here's a link to the thread where we would be interested in your response.
http://www.treeworld.info/f9/have-sh...html#post10809

Here's a thread where we reveal all the greatness of the Harrison Rocket.

Legendary Harrison Rocket Throwball

Also, I inform you that I will publish this email on the thread.

Regards
Eric Frei
www.treeworld.info , the best SEO'd forum for arborists on the net.

Eric Frei · 11th October 2007, 11:42 PM

Reply from Tobe Sherrill

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Hello Guys,

FYI, SherrillTree is not a manufacturer like the chipper companies refered to above, or apparel, or soda makers, or the many manufacturers involved in mimicking proven trends or formulas. We are primarily a reseller of made goods, although we sometimes get involved in branding good ideas or moving an idea into our market first.

Several months ago I found out that Weaver was delivering this throw weight design to a dealer in Germany and that the weight would soon be available in the US (Weaver-reported). As a big fan of the Harrison Rocket (not so much of the price and transportation issues) I elected to switch all future inventory over to the product ASAP, but first I wanted to test it. In doing so I discovered that it needed modification, and for that, Weaver was thankful. Within 6 weeks the product was far more durable than first released (Let's keep this part between Americans).

We didn't contract Weaver or even suggest that they make this product, please feel free to confirm that with them. Would SherrillTree have done this on our own? Eventually i'm sure. Would we have paid Andrew a commission? If he supported the effort, absolutely. About 2 years ago he wasn't keen on the idea even though he had no patent or claim otherwise, and without patent protection such fees are... quite unusual. Name a product where we've done this before? Most recently- the Falteimer Cube, we volunteered a fee even though no patent exists in the US.

Just thought the "truth seekers" would care to know.

Be safe.

Oldtimer · 12th October 2007, 06:11 AM

Ekka that sounds like a straight forward response from Sherrill. I asked for comments on the durability of this new product to the other Tree Climber Coalition members in the US and so far I have not seen any opinions. I like the color combination ( Green-Orange) because they are easy to see in the type of trees that we ( Recreational Climbers) climb.
I was not satisfied with the durability of the previous throw weights made of soft "leatherlike" material. They break too fast at the seams. I have used the throw weights made by New Tribe a small manufacturing outfit in Oregon and they last a long time and are made of a very bright orange color and durable material and the price is very reasonable for the quality they provide. Go to Tree Climbing Equipment for more details on their climbing gear.

Eric Frei · 13th October 2007, 04:36 PM

The reply post above in #3 was taken from TB as a copy. Tobe asked me to do that.

There was no alteration or anything just a straight copy/paste.

It appears good fortune that we did that as TB's copy vanished, so did some other posts over there, not sure what or why as I run this place and MB runs that one!

But seriously, copying of ideas etc just goes on and on ... believe it or not in the professional world it's called plagiarism and I have recently been informed and alerted by Peter Sterken that he has become victim of such on his work pertaining to the safety and elasticity of palms.

A copy of the notice he issued is attached.

Mangoes · 16th October 2007, 04:45 AM

I wonder how Greg Good feels about everyone ripping off his idea?

Eric Frei · 16th October 2007, 07:09 AM

I dont know, ask him how he felt when Frans made the Jr GRCS and Chris Cowell was it that made the Euro version.

Then there's also the Hobbs, Porty and over here we have Billy Goddards device. So if you'd like to summons all these people it would be great but I leave you with a quote below.

Oxman posted this over at TB

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Last shot of the Teti LD, for those of you just itching to fire up the welder.

Thanks to Greg Good for coming up with the beefy version. I spose any design can be copied for personal use. It's only protected against sale for profit by the patent.

Also, Ken Johnson just donated a LD to the Canadian TREE Fund auction. It was used by Robert Phillips in his rigging demo at the Pacific NW ISA Annual Training Conference in Victoria, British Columbia, Canada, last month. Thanks a bunch.

Oxman · 16th October 2007, 11:15 AM

Hey, where can I get some of those throwballs made from Kangaroo scrotums?

Steve Tipton · 16th October 2007, 04:30 PM

The buck kangaroos hate that!

rangitata · 16th October 2007, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Oxman

Hey, where can I get some of those throwballs made from Kangaroo scrotums?

If you have some good running shoes and a pocket knife, there are plenty in central Australia

Eric Frei · 16th October 2007, 06:06 PM

Well, I'm all for recycling! lol

Look out, ricocheting 14oz scrotum!

TrevMcRev · 18th October 2007, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Ekka

scrotum!

Thats what ive always called throwbags anyway

Tree Machine · 5th November 2007, 11:59 AM

Under close inspection, identical in all respects.

Field testing, awesome bag, glad to have 12 oz. They fires and behave just like a Harrison. I love the color. Very, very sweet bags.

The only thing I haven't done is chop it in half to see if the internals are the same. I really don't want to go there.

newguy18 · 5th November 2007, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Ekka

I dont know, ask him how he felt when Frans made the Jr GRCS and Chris Cowell was it that made the Euro version.

Then there's also the Hobbs, Porty and over here we have Billy Goddards device. So if you'd like to summons all these people it would be great but I leave you with a quote below.

Oxman posted this over at TB

I believe the hobbs has been around for 20 years Ekka corect me if I'm wrong.

10th October 2007, 09:32 PM	#1
Eric Frei Admin - Owner Palm & Tree Services in Brisbane Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,994	Have Weaver Leather copied the Harrison rocket? You decide. Attached Thumbnails __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Palm and Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

12th October 2007, 06:11 AM	#4
Oldtimer Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Austin TX Posts: 100	Re: Have Sherrill's copied the Harrison rocket? You decide. Ekka that sounds like a straight forward response from Sherrill. I asked for comments on the durability of this new product to the other Tree Climber Coalition members in the US and so far I have not seen any opinions. I like the color combination ( Green-Orange) because they are easy to see in the type of trees that we ( Recreational Climbers) climb. I was not satisfied with the durability of the previous throw weights made of soft "leatherlike" material. They break too fast at the seams. I have used the throw weights made by New Tribe a small manufacturing outfit in Oregon and they last a long time and are made of a very bright orange color and durable material and the price is very reasonable for the quality they provide. Go to Tree Climbing Equipment for more details on their climbing gear.

16th October 2007, 04:45 AM	#6
Mangoes Sappling Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: n/a Posts: 23	Re: Have Sherrill's copied the Harrison rocket? You decide. I wonder how Greg Good feels about everyone ripping off his idea? __________________ ?Perhaps a truer indication of mental illness?..can be found in the far more common tendency to passively accept the abuse of the very systems that keep us alive.? - John Vaillant; The Golden Spruce

16th October 2007, 11:15 AM	#8
Oxman Sappling Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Seattle Posts: 42	Re: Have Sherrill's copied the Harrison rocket? You decide. Hey, where can I get some of those throwballs made from Kangaroo scrotums?

16th October 2007, 04:30 PM	#9
Steve Tipton Over mature heritage tree Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Sydney Posts: 821	Re: Have Sherrill's copied the Harrison rocket? You decide. The buck kangaroos hate that!

16th October 2007, 06:06 PM	#11
Eric Frei Admin - Owner Palm & Tree Services in Brisbane Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,994	Re: Have Sherrill's copied the Harrison rocket? You decide. Well, I'm all for recycling! lol Look out, ricocheting 14oz scrotum! __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Palm and Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

5th November 2007, 11:59 AM	#13
Tree Machine Over mature heritage tree Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 952	Have Sherrill's copied the Harrison ? Under close inspection, identical in all respects. Field testing, awesome bag, glad to have 12 oz. They fires and behave just like a Harrison. I love the color. Very, very sweet bags. The only thing I haven't done is chop it in half to see if the internals are the same. I really don't want to go there. Attached Thumbnails

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