hackers that advertise there great work.....

KidInTree · 14th March 2008, 06:26 PM

Here came across this profesional treecare provider. look at the video at the 1 min mark tell me what you think of his absolutly beautiful work.....

Damn Hackers

YouTube - treecare

TreeDimensional · 14th March 2008, 06:39 PM

Where is Treedock from? I am going to reserve comment futher comment until I look at it again.

The music seemed fitting for the video, I had a headache JUST from the music.

TreeDimensional · 14th March 2008, 07:07 PM

Sorry for the double post, BUT after looking at the video again, I think it would be safe to say that that guy is going to get racked over the coals here.

The two things that stood out in the removal footage where the lack of a climbing line (so only one point of attachment) and where he is felling the large trunk his position to the trunk was suicidal and he appeared to cut MOST of the hinge wood.

The pruning footage was really grainy, and it was difficult to tell if the boulavard tree were previously pollarded. There MAy have been knobs ther, but I have old eyes.

Looks like they might have been paid on volume!

bigshea13 · 14th March 2008, 09:39 PM

its the latest trend.

Ekka · 14th March 2008, 10:54 PM

He's from the Netherlands.

Well, the trees were previously pollarded but I'm not sure they grow that much in a year or two.

In most shots they're pretty good on PPE except here where the ground under the load has no helmet and the home owner same.

I'd say overall they're OK with some minor breaches.

Here's the log fell and where he cut the hinge wood, not the best and the centre is maybe what it hinged on, however if it was a forward leaner does it matter?

I've seen a lot worse and think "hack" is a little harsh. Sure there's some breaches here and there but on what job site isn't there?

Sean Freeman · 15th March 2008, 02:25 PM

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not the best and the centre is maybe what it hinged on, however if it was a forward leaner does it matter?

Eric you're right if it was a forward leaner then it was always going the way it did....and we don't know what kind of discussions/planning/decisions went into it.....as an aside when I'm working up north with Tim and Stephen we do quite a bit of felling, sometimes very trickey (heart beating in mouth stuff) more often than not mundane mindless stuff...BUT....if Tim or I were to have a stump looking like that (and yes I do sometimes!) there would be a good deal of post felling explaining to do, technique and method are critical in tree felling, reproducing perfect hinges every time on basic simple stuff is imperative if you are to be able to deal with dangerously unstable tree stems.

As I say hopefully the faller was as embaressed about those pulled fibres and lack of proper hinge as I would be, and it was used as a learning tool for the next fell.

Ekka · 15th March 2008, 03:45 PM

Well, the thing you have to remember is he was cutting the hinge wood off as it was falling.

Have you ever done that when taking a top out? I have, keep cutting so it's gone.

So in defence of the guy the tree was falling then the hinge wood was cut out. Sure it's not the best but he done it purposefully, only he can tell us why but a hack wouldn't have had those cuts so flat and I've even had "hacks" use no scarf and just back cut with the hinge if you could call it that being the bark strip they leave. He didn't do the angled back cut BS either.

So, I still think calling these guys "hacks" is a bit harsh.

Sean Freeman · 15th March 2008, 06:16 PM

Hmmm...I certainly don't cut through the hinge wood esp not when I'm up in the tree with nowhere to go...maybe I'm misunderstanding your meaning there?

If I'm worried about the weight distribution of a tree top I'm removing then I'll place a pull/control line in the top, I just can't imagine when I would deliberately cut through the hinge, I want it to operate all the way once the piece starts to go....On the ground I'm not at the stump once the tree starts to go, if you get into the habit of staying at the stump cutting through the hinge you'll get bitten for sure.

bigshea13 · 15th March 2008, 06:58 PM

i gotta admit i cut the hinge wood out when im trying to jump the piece over something especially if its a tree whos wood doesnt leave witha crisp snap. it gives the piece better propulsion.

newguy18 · 15th March 2008, 07:25 PM

I usually only cut through the wood in one shot with no hinceing while doing drop and slice cuts,on occassion i will cut an inch or 2 on either side while felling espically with palms.I almost always have a pull rope in the top i'm cutting out to ensure its going where i want it and in most of my critical felling.I'm with Ekka i wouldn't call them hacks either.

Ekka · 15th March 2008, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Sean Freeman

Hmmm...I certainly don't cut through the hinge wood esp not when I'm up in the tree with nowhere to go...maybe I'm misunderstanding your meaning there?

Sometimes like Shea says to get the piece to fly, jump a fence etc.

As it's going over, it's well on its way you keep cutting through so there's no jolting

14th March 2008, 06:26 PM	#1 (permalink)
KidInTree Sappling Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Orillia, Ontatio, Canada Posts: 13	hackers that advertise there great work..... Here came across this profesional treecare provider. look at the video at the 1 min mark tell me what you think of his absolutly beautiful work..... Damn Hackers YouTube - treecare

14th March 2008, 06:39 PM	#2 (permalink)
TreeDimensional Mature tree Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Canada Posts: 420	Re: hackers that advertise there great work..... Where is Treedock from? I am going to reserve comment futher comment until I look at it again. The music seemed fitting for the video, I had a headache JUST from the music. __________________ West Central Saskatchewan ISA Certified Arborist

14th March 2008, 07:07 PM	#3 (permalink)
TreeDimensional Mature tree Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Canada Posts: 420	Re: hackers that advertise there great work..... Sorry for the double post, BUT after looking at the video again, I think it would be safe to say that that guy is going to get racked over the coals here. The two things that stood out in the removal footage where the lack of a climbing line (so only one point of attachment) and where he is felling the large trunk his position to the trunk was suicidal and he appeared to cut MOST of the hinge wood. The pruning footage was really grainy, and it was difficult to tell if the boulavard tree were previously pollarded. There MAy have been knobs ther, but I have old eyes. Looks like they might have been paid on volume! __________________ West Central Saskatchewan ISA Certified Arborist

15th March 2008, 03:45 PM	#7 (permalink)
Ekka Admin - Dip Arb & Hort Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 7,734	Re: hackers that advertise there great work..... Well, the thing you have to remember is he was cutting the hinge wood off as it was falling. Have you ever done that when taking a top out? I have, keep cutting so it's gone. So in defence of the guy the tree was falling then the hinge wood was cut out. Sure it's not the best but he done it purposefully, only he can tell us why but a hack wouldn't have had those cuts so flat and I've even had "hacks" use no scarf and just back cut with the hinge if you could call it that being the bark strip they leave. He didn't do the angled back cut BS either. So, I still think calling these guys "hacks" is a bit harsh. __________________ Arborist Training in Australia\| Your Free Helping Guide Free Tree and Green Industry Link Directory .... Yes, I also SEO (Optimize) and build websites that fly high in Google Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding and Stump Removal Brisbane Brisbane - Gold Coast Tree Care, Consulting, Developer, Tree and Arborist Reports Forum Sponsors

15th March 2008, 06:16 PM	#8 (permalink)
Sean Freeman PDF King & Arborist Extrodinaire Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Townsville Nth Queensland & Gold Coast Sth Queensland Posts: 1,868	Re: hackers that advertise there great work..... Hmmm...I certainly don't cut through the hinge wood esp not when I'm up in the tree with nowhere to go...maybe I'm misunderstanding your meaning there? If I'm worried about the weight distribution of a tree top I'm removing then I'll place a pull/control line in the top, I just can't imagine when I would deliberately cut through the hinge, I want it to operate all the way once the piece starts to go....On the ground I'm not at the stump once the tree starts to go, if you get into the habit of staying at the stump cutting through the hinge you'll get bitten for sure. __________________ Sean Trees are poems that earth writes upon the sky, We fell them down and turn them into paper, That we may record our emptiness. - Kahlil Gibran

15th March 2008, 06:58 PM	#9 (permalink)
bigshea13 Mature tree Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: hiding Posts: 378	Re: hackers that advertise there great work..... i gotta admit i cut the hinge wood out when im trying to jump the piece over something especially if its a tree whos wood doesnt leave witha crisp snap. it gives the piece better propulsion. Last edited by bigshea13 : 15th March 2008 at 06:59 PM. Reason: spelling errors

15th March 2008, 07:25 PM	#10 (permalink)
newguy18 Part of the Furniture Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Dead twig Florida. Posts: 4,062	Re: hackers that advertise there great work..... I usually only cut through the wood in one shot with no hinceing while doing drop and slice cuts,on occassion i will cut an inch or 2 on either side while felling espically with palms.I almost always have a pull rope in the top i'm cutting out to ensure its going where i want it and in most of my critical felling.I'm with Ekka i wouldn't call them hacks either. __________________ Have your say join us today. I ship USA saws out of the USA "Everybody's hell on safety." G.f.beranek. www.atreestory.com

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