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| never i'm afraid to unclip while in a tree. |     | 16 | 20.51% |
| only when the trees are small. |    | 43 | 55.13% |
| all the time when I have adequte hand and foot holds. |    | 19 | 24.36% |
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8th January 2008, 05:14 AM
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| Part of the Furniture  Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: orlando,fl
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|  free climbing how often do you do it?
just a poll to see how often you guys freeclimb.
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8th January 2008, 06:17 AM
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| Admin - Owner Palm & Tree Services in Brisbane  Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane
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| Re: free climbing how often do you do it?
Guilty for me on smaller busy trees where sometimes you cant swing a cat! Not sure if you did slip you'd make it to the ground. Some of these tree would be Leopard tree, fiddlewood, bauhinia, Qld firewheel etc. They're busy little annoying blighters at times.
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8th January 2008, 04:52 PM
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| Mature tree  Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: belgium
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| Re: free climbing how often do you do it?
NEVER EVER CLIMB A TREE UNBELAYED. On small trees it could happen that I only use a flipline for safety.
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8th January 2008, 06:02 PM
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| Admin - Owner Palm & Tree Services in Brisbane Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane
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| Re: free climbing how often do you do it?
Two flip lines are good also. You should never free climb though, and I never talk on the mobile whilst driving either. 
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8th January 2008, 06:56 PM
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| Former Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Bakersfield, Ca
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| Re: free climbing how often do you do it?
Well out of the 9 who've answered the poll so far, only 4 of us have actually said something. I'm thinking the other's don't want to be intimidated and stringently lambasted by Quercus. Just ONE flip Quercus? Where does that leave you when you need to move around branches?  I free-climb on occasion, though I have to admit, with a lady-friend I'm rather fond of, and while getting older and realizing that I'm not as agile as I used to be, I only freeclimb rarely. When I started I was doing 75 foot free ascent's up pine spars till the trunk was thin enough for me to get a line around it. And that's with a full gear rack and saw hanging off me. I don't do that crazy crap now though. Somewhere I seem to have gotten a higher appreciation for life. |
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8th January 2008, 07:01 PM
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8th January 2008, 11:08 PM
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| Re: free climbing how often do you do it?
i'll have to get my brother taking pictures of me free climbing in that pine in my backyard.Its a little one at 50'.I can be from ground to the top of that treein less than 5 minutes without a rope or harness.
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9th January 2008, 12:41 AM
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| Former Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: super 8 motels
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| Re: free climbing how often do you do it?
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Well out of the 9 who've answered the poll so far, only 4 of us have actually said something. I'm thinking the other's don't want to be intimidated and stringently lambasted by Quercus. i wasnt worried about the tounge lashing, to be honest...i didnt want to sound like i was condoning the practice. its one thing to be stupid....it another to open your mouth and prove it. im not sure of the caliber if people that are logging in and reading these tips that we are posting. i dont want to give anybody new to the field the wrong idea. when my little brother joined my crew he was always trying to outdo everyone even though he was brand new to the gig. i was always catching myself,trying not to take shoetcuts or do thing that could give him the wrong idea. the newguys have to learn from someone, hopefully its someone worth learning from.  |
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9th January 2008, 12:10 PM
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| Sappling Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Dubuque Ia
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| Re: free climbing how often do you do it?
I'll free climb quite often. Anything over 20 in. dbh I will usually buck in on the ground. I always have my saddle and climb line on. After 15 ft. I buck constantly. Mostly depends on tree and weather conditions.
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9th January 2008, 04:04 PM
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10th January 2008, 03:51 AM
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Intimidated? Stringently lambasted? I'm not sure what that last thing is... But I'm a sucker for safety that's all... It's already as dangerous enough as it is, so why does one have to challenge disaster? | |
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10th January 2008, 04:13 AM
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| Re: free climbing how often do you do it?
This may sound stupid but for me the more danger the better I work.I'm not saying saftey wise I'm saying productive wise.i suppose you don't use leg locks to hold you on limbs while your rigging it.
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10th January 2008, 05:55 AM
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| Re: free climbing how often do you do it?
Callous disregard for safety is an indicator of a severely selfish and self absorbed individual. Lanyard or rope, I ALWAYS have a means of quick self rescue. About 3-4 years ago a climber in Vancouver died as a result of climber with only a lanyard. Cut his left arm, hit an artery, bled out.....died alone at the top of a tree. If he had a means of self rescue, he would have been on the ground in 30 seconds where his groundman could have applied pressure and at the very least he wouldn't have died dispairingly alone.
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10th January 2008, 06:03 AM
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| Re: free climbing how often do you do it?
I never once said I'm without a second lanyard but to go out and set a tip tie I just use a leg lock to hold me.I only cut with a handsaw like that.
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10th January 2008, 11:14 AM
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| Re: free climbing how often do you do it?
I think I understand your direction of thought. To review..... Callous disregard for safety is an indicator of a severely selfish and self absorbed individual. Why: Because someone willing to chance their life, be it talking on the phone while driving, free climbing or one handed chainsaw use etc. etc., does not respect the hierchy of people close to them. 1 - spouse/partner 2,3,4 - kids 4-6 - parents/inlaws any number - siblings, cousins, grandparents numerous - friends/acquaintences There is no possible arguement against it. Such an individual is thinking only of themselves......and their machismo, or pride, or laziness... whatever.
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10th January 2008, 11:39 AM
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| Former Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Oregon
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| Re: free climbing how often do you do it?
In construction and other trades, it is completely professional to free climb an extension ladder. When I know that a tree is loaded with strong limbs, and it's as solid or more solid than an extension ladder, I'll free climb it. In fact, a lot of trees are more stout and more sturdy than ladders. 20' is typically my limit. Higher for recreation if I find a really fun climbing tree. Usually a conifer with many whorls of limbs evenly spaced. |
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10th January 2008, 01:02 PM
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| Former Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Bakersfield, Ca
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| Re: free climbing how often do you do it?
"I never once said I'm without a second lanyard..." oh yeah? how'd you fall out of a tree after cutting through just one of them then? They're only givin you a hard time about safety cuz noone wants to see you get hurt. And so that lurkers who read your posts don't decide to go and do things like that themselves. I think you cut alot more corners than I do though... I'm still trying to align my techniques along the safety standards. It's difficult to re-train yourself when you get set doing things a certain way. |
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10th January 2008, 02:23 PM
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| Part of the Furniture Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: orlando,fl
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| Re: free climbing how often do you do it?
oh one time .Yeah i should clean up and get an appreciation for life i guess.
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10th January 2008, 02:53 PM
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| Mature tree Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: belgium
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| Re: free climbing how often do you do it?
I'll use one (or two) fliplines on trees up to 15 feet. Above that I'm use a climbing line along with the flipline. Did you know that 80 to 100 climbers die (per year) , by cutting their lanyard while removing their handsaw from the holster? |
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10th January 2008, 03:20 PM
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| Former Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Bakersfield, Ca
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| Re: free climbing how often do you do it?
Thats horrible!! Thank god I've never used a handsaw!!!  In scuba, people are all afraid about getting bitten by sharks, but actually, more people are killed by falling coconuts every year. Kinda puts things in perspective. Where did you get that statistic from, btw? |
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10th January 2008, 03:47 PM
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| Mature tree Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: belgium
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| Re: free climbing how often do you do it?
We use handsaws a lot more when pruning then chainsaws. I like them far more then chainsaws because they cut really really fast (4 inch branches in about 7 to 8 strokes..), are friendly for environment and noise, are a lot safer and lighter... and leave a nice and clean wound. I have about nine Silky handsaws and polesaws.All for different use... They do cost a lot of money...and mostly there's no need for safety pants or vests. A forestry instructor knew these statistics. I'll try to contact him for the source.
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10th January 2008, 03:59 PM
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| Former Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Bakersfield, Ca
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| Re: free climbing how often do you do it?
I was actually thinking earlier today that I'll have to pick up a good handsaw for pruning. You just verified that you can get a cleaner cut with them. TreeDimensional mentioned some to me, but besides Silky, who else makes good ones?
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11th January 2008, 12:20 AM
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| Re: free climbing how often do you do it?
corona.
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11th January 2008, 02:38 AM
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| Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: england
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| Re: free climbing how often do you do it?
Half of our t/ds are conifers in gardens. I normally climb up to probally 10-15 ft before clipping in (deprndind on tree size), providing there are strong branches every foot or so else i would be tied in from the ground as normal. Im not saying its right as all training bodies would definetly say is completly forbidden, Thats my choice to do that, my 6 year old son climbs a climbing frame without a rope and could fall! If it the conditions are safe a couple of foots not the end of the world.( i would never dream of doing it any other time). So yes i do it sometimes but nothing dangerous! "SILKY!"
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11th January 2008, 04:23 AM
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| Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Macclesfield England
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11th January 2008, 07:21 AM
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11th January 2008, 08:59 AM
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| Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: england
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| Re: free climbing how often do you do it?
I use silky because in my opinion there good pruning saws and always will will use them! A bit narrow minded as ive never tried any other (scars on my hands dont like um tho) .And RC1 next time your removing a conifer hedge or painting your kitchen ceiling make sure you got your rope with you! |
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16th January 2008, 11:01 PM
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| Mature tree  Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: International, Germany
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| Re: free climbing how often do you do it?
NEVER, but i will free climb shrubs... |
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26th February 2008, 11:09 PM
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| Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: ONTARIO, CANADA
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| Re: free climbing how often do you do it?
I am guilty of some free climbing i shouldn't but once and a while i do. I never used to use 2 tie in points when hand sawing but the only time a have cut a line or lanyard was a hand saw. i did not get cut or cut through a line but my heart felt like it stopped. Not the best sport to learn from your mistakes.
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27th February 2008, 12:38 PM
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| Semi-mature vigorous tree  Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Vancouver, BC
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| Re: free climbing how often do you do it?
For the first 3 years, at least a few times a week. 100cm+ dia. fir and only one lanyard! Looking back on it now, I just shake my head. I always have two lanyards attached to my belt now, regardless of what I'm doing.
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