Exposing another shame file

Eric Frei · 2nd June 2007, 01:14 PM

Have a look at the pics. Tell me.

Is this pruning to AS4373 (target cuts)?

Eric Frei · 2nd June 2007, 02:17 PM

Part 1

First off I rang the customer from the sign writing on the vehicle parked near the house.

I asked why the pruning in the first place ... and it was to make the trees safer as branch dropped out.

I asked who did the job and was told Morrie's Tree Care and he suggested that they be reduced and pruned up safer like they are including overhang from neibs tree on LH side.

I started to discuss the pruning in more detail and the customer went cold and said it was none of my business and to keep my nose out of their business.

So, knowing Morrie's Tree Care is just up the road with a sign on the fence I drove up and got a pic.

Then I rang Morrie.

He said the trees were made safer and pruned in accordance with AS4373. He went on to say that whilst he is not an arborist he has worked on trees 8 years to 9 years now and used to be the foreman for Brisbane Tree Services. He said his cuts were no different to that of an arborist and he had great knowledge of how to make trees safer.

I mentioned the lack of foliage and he reckons they'll bush up nice now.... this is what you have to do and it's right he reckons.

Eric Frei · 2nd June 2007, 02:27 PM

Part 2

I just got off the phone with Kim (ccc48) from Brisbane City Council after doing a Protected Vegetation search and guess what?

The entire property has protection, one of the toughest in fact, SLT (significant landscape tree), toward the top of this link here's what it says.
http://www.brisbane.qld.gov.au/BCC:B...6828:pc=PC_297

Quote:

You can carry out the following work on protected vegetation without a permit:

1. Tree pruning (except a Significant Landscape Tree, a tree protected by an individual tree vegetation protection order and a heritage tree).
You must not remove more than 20% of the tree's canopy in any 12-month period or leave the tree lopsided. All tree pruning must conform to Australian Standard 4373 : 1996 Pruning of Amenity Trees. You can buy a copy of this standard from Standards Australia.

So, both the customer and the "arborist" are in a lot of hot water. I have no pity, I hope they get their azzes fined.

And any other profession would deregister such malpractitioners

Eric Frei · 2nd June 2007, 03:10 PM

Part 3

Just now 1.04pm Dan from BCC rang me and said permits were granted for pruning works to 6 forest red gums at above location.

Part of the condition was council was to re-inspect but hasn't done so yet.

I mentioned the topping and zero foliage etc and they'll have an officer out soon.

I mentioned that no way does the pruning conform to AS4373 and if this is allowed then it'll be the laughing stock of tree management in Australia... imagine that, being allowed to prune protected trees like that.

Now lets see how this pans out. Very interesting case to follow, their own rules state pruning to AS4373 is req'd.

Drouin Tree Service · 2nd June 2007, 05:13 PM

Very interesting Ekka,i wont hold my breath on it but maybe you will force them into acting.

Sean Freeman · 2nd June 2007, 05:30 PM

Oh dear sounds like BCC are losing the plot, would like to hear their side....permit to prune protected evenly weakly protected trees with no cutting specs...sounds kind of sus?

I'm sorry Morrie but you have zero credibility mate, if you want to lop and top and can sell that to your client fine, but please don't try and quote standards and specs to us to defend sub standard (in the truest meaning) work, you just sound stupid and desperate.....yeah you do....I've worked with LGA cutting crews on and off since coming to Oz and the better crews have very experienced gangers who might not be qualified arborists but they do understand what lopping is and they would not do it to protected trees. So don't try to grasp at straws by suggestng that council crews would do what you've done.

matt dallas · 2nd June 2007, 06:17 PM

their are some cowboys out their ekka , your doing a good job on cracking down on them, my groundy's can prune better than that ha,

Eric Frei · 2nd June 2007, 07:26 PM

I've had a gut full.

I started to get used to it then when Jim came out he re-ignited the flame.

I'm sick of being told to STFU and mind my own business.

By doing this I am minding my own business, in the caretaker sense of exposing the hypocrites and hacks. That in effect will help my business, the more of them that lift their game or piss off the better.

Good trees getting butchered for a buck.

People calling themselves arborists who aren't or worse, who are but forgot what it means.

I'm trying to make a living in this city too, the right way. I leave written quotes and clear explanations and have more info on my websites than these guys (including customers) would have read in their lives about trees.

No-ones rattling the cage, no association is addressing it or has addressed it since I've been around ... must be in the too hard basket. How many of these hacks are hiding in organisations as I type?

Well, tough shit, it's getting made public, and the best part is you are allowed to.

Putting pictures of your tree work on the internet should be something you'd be proud to do, not scared of and threaten people, that my friend is a blatant sign of dishonesty and fraud.

I even had the glen from Q-Build say to me, "how'd you like it if some-one followed you around putting pics up of your work?" Yeah, I'd love it, bring it on, in fact I do it myself nearly every day, I'm bloody proud of my work and proud to walk away from insistent fools wanting a hack job.

Feel sorry for no-one, they chose to do it, they have a brain ... it's up to them how they use it. It really makes my skin crawl to hear their pathetic threats and justifications ... and their KNOW IT ALL BULL SHIT!

When I drive around I look out for this stuff, you should all do the same and take a pro-active stance. Post them up here and get the facts, question the customers/authorities and tree companies ... if it's going to change then it happens for a reason, and that reason will be the evidence we supply.

Jeff Darby · 2nd June 2007, 08:02 PM

Hi,
When I first looked at this it reminded me of the pruning Gomez Adams used to do on the Adam's Family, Do you's blokes remember that show???. What a pure unadulterated hack job, neatly hacked but hacked,please show me we in AS4373 does it show this method of corrective pruning??.Please correct me if I'm wrong! but an Australian Standard is the bare minumum/level of training and application we can expect from a tradesman in the application of his trade, This represention of work we have here comes no where near the mark, and the perpetraiters need to held responsable!.Now from the tree's health,let's have a quick look at this.we all know QLD is in the grip of probably the worst drought we seen for a long time so,

These poor trees :
# are drought stressed and along comes Joe Hack only looking at the money side of things and cuts of the food factory,BRILLIANT,now not only are they drought stressed,now their going strait into emergency recovery mode to get some more canopy back up there to feed the tree,what does grow back will be pure epicormic regrowth with no structuall attachement to the main trunk at all which will cause,if these trees survive,more danger to the owners up the road and more cost as these limbs break of in storms.From a hacks point of view great more money for him as he continually pulls the wool over the customer eyes,
From an Arborist's outlook this is pure negligent practice and an insult to our profesion.and as far as throwing up a smoke cloud people are not stupid.
WORK TO THE STANDARD OR GET OUT OF THE TREE CARE GAME because what these pictures represents is pure butchery!

TreeCo · 3rd June 2007, 02:36 PM

Good work Ekka. Hold them to the fire!

TREE-SURFER · 3rd June 2007, 10:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ekka

I've had a gut full.

I started to get used to it then when Jim came out he re-ignited the flame.

I'm sick of being told to STFU and mind my own business.

By doing this I am minding my own business, in the caretaker sense of exposing the hypocrites and hacks. That in effect will help my business, the more of them that lift their game or piss off the better.

Good trees getting butchered for a buck.

I'm trying to make a living in this city too, the right way.

Too bloody true mate. We are minding our business and the good for our local trees that people own. Hatrackers and pikies are just too abundant and people are too intimidated by a cheaper quote and don't look at the aspects that are offered by us professionals. On speaking to a guy the other day, I learned that lawyers over here are charging ?280 per hour, for they're professional services, so if the customers were to try and sue the pikies, look at the charges they are facing on top of trying to get the job done right.
When are people going to listen and get it right the first time. Working for a couple of other Arb companies, I get to hear some stories of customers who have had to get the professionals in after a top and lop job. Still amazes me that people will always go for the cheaper quote.
Will you people please listen to us, we are not trying to get more money out of you, we are here to help you get what your trees deserve.
Lets face facts; would you go for a cheaper quote if it were your teeth that needed drilling or would you ask an expert?.......Go figure

TREE-SURFER · 3rd June 2007, 10:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ekka

Have a look at the pics. Tell me.

Is this pruning to AS4373 (target cuts)?

Looks like the infamous M Galbraith has been working in Brisbane....

JohN Dee · 3rd June 2007, 11:11 PM

It’s a good thing this bloke doesn’t call himself an Arborist otherwise he’d have a heap of lawsuits for defamation. Morrie, you need to either get qualified and learn some ethics or GET OUT OF OUR INDUSTRY!

This kind of work is appalling and a disgrace to the tree industry and everyone who is an Arborist. When is this government going to act on these situations? When it is too late? When it takes out their BMW? When a Lopped n Topped tree falls and kills one of their loved ones? And then when it does happen, they will take it too far...

Eric Frei · 3rd June 2007, 11:28 PM

His sign says

Quote:

Tree's Made Safe 4 You

TrevMcRev · 4th June 2007, 10:20 AM

His sign should say

Quote:

trees made safe 4 you FOR NOW! and never mind the consequences to your trees health or saftey in the future!

Eric Frei · 12th June 2007, 08:25 PM

I was advised today by BCC that a small piece of justice was dealt out to the home-owner and they were fined $375

That's the maximum thay can on the spot fine ... they advised to fine further meant legals and court case plus take a few years so decided on the $375 fine.

It's something but in my mind a joke ... when the fine for malpractice to a SLT protected tree is that small many would just include that into the removal price and be done with it.

The council specs for the job were a 20% thin, deadwood and work to be done by L3 arborist which Morrie is not!

They didn't do anything to Morrie .... yet!

Jeff Darby · 12th June 2007, 08:48 PM

Ahha,a slap on the wrist for the home owner not much but better than nothing!..now they need to deal with Morrie,according to the previous posts he's supposed to executed his..LOL.. pruning in accordance with the standard,so deal with him according to the standard,bottom line is he should have walked as soon as he new what the customer wanted,or swung them around to do it properly.The home owner has been fined that's one part of the sequence of events that led to this episode of tree butchery dealt with so finnish the job, BCC, now it's Morries turn!.

NeTree · 23rd June 2007, 09:29 AM

Let's forget about the standards, for just a minute.

How the heck can anyone stand back after they're done, look at that, and say "Man, that sure looks purty. I done a good job!"

If they live, I see some poorly attached limbs in the future. In fact, I'd say in five years they'll be far more hazardous than they ever were.

Eric Frei · 23rd June 2007, 10:15 AM

That's what I reckon.

The Council has ordered take downs on them now, plus replanting.

You know, it's the dug in arrogance of the arborist that I really dont understand.

Eric Frei · 30th June 2007, 01:47 PM

Here's the finished product.

BCC must be impressed with effectiveness of their Protection Orders.

And Morrie took his sign down.

JohN Dee · 30th June 2007, 04:02 PM

Woohoo! Another win. Hopefully from this BCC can learn from it and maybe with a bit of nudging from their favorite Arborist

they'll put up some TPO's

Eric Frei · 30th June 2007, 04:46 PM

Sad part is the trees lost, and they were on huge property, easily accommodated, We preach right tree right place, couldn't have got much better than this.

However you have borne witness to the "treeloppers" and the council in action. Personally, I'm really disappointed that in 2007 this sort of crap, and these sort of "tradesmen" exist.

Any half decent town would run them out, run articles in media and get the community educated and on side. To expect to leave such an arduous task upon the forces of business is a joke, any idiot can and does go out and buy a saw, call themselves an expert and hack away.

You need a BSA license to erect a stupid fence yet any old idiot with a saw takes on our job, and in this instance decent trees were destroyed, in the name of safety, profit and most important .... IGNORANCE.

I draw your attention to the proactive publication in Melbourne TrevMcrev published.

http://www.treeworld.info/attachment...1&d=1183115108

And also to this thread where another council puts out a warning.

Council puts out warning for rogue tree loppers

And this thread here shows some decent chat from SA parliament on the issues.

SA Parliament tree chat 2006

Sunraysia Tree Solutions · 24th August 2007, 10:21 AM

Be interesting if the council actually does something usually they just delay things until everbody forgets about it

Rebel9 · 9th November 2008, 10:04 PM

Great work, i might have to go around with my camera too and do some detective work..........[/B]

[/B]

treevet · 11th November 2008, 02:55 PM

Watcha ya gonna be lookin for Rebel9?

treeseer · 11th November 2008, 04:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by treevet

Watcha ya gonna be lookin for Rebel9?

Good question.

How about looking for GOOD work, and telling that story?

Show folks the right way, not the wrong.

If you cannot bring good news, then don't bring any.

Eric Frei · 11th November 2008, 06:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by treeseer

If you cannot bring good news, then don't bring any.

Ah, dont listen to this bloke, we all know the world is governed around all the bad things. When bad things happen then law makers feel obligated to make changes.

Bringing bad things makes change, suppressing and ignoring it means every thing is just fine and dandy ... which it isn't.

treeseer · 11th November 2008, 08:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ekka

Ah, dont listen to this bloke, we all know the world is governed around all the bad things.

If

is the guiding philosophy of treeworld.info, then this is not a good place to be.

Goodbye!

Eric Frei · 11th November 2008, 08:51 PM

Ahem, the thread is called "Exposing another shame file"

What did you expect to find here?

Also, in case your senses have vacated your body, what are those other hundreds of threads all about, including the one about trichoderma vs armillaria?

Are you being a forum drama Queen? Or a dummy spitter? Or trying to control what people want to do? Or trying to censor? Or unable to argue with logic? Or unable to accept all forms of posts?

I dont know, but sure as eggs the place will be here with or without you.

Jeff Darby · 11th November 2008, 08:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by treeseer

If

is the guiding philosophy of treeworld.info, then this is not a good place to be.

Goodbye!

Jeez, Guy, put your dummy back in.

View Poll Results: Is this pruning to AS4373 (target cuts)?
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2nd June 2007, 01:14 PM	#1
Eric Frei Admin - Razor sharp and independent 2 X Diploma Level 5 qualified arborist Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,792	Exposing another shame file Have a look at the pics. Tell me. Is this pruning to AS4373 (target cuts)? Attached Thumbnails __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

2nd June 2007, 02:17 PM	#2
Eric Frei Admin - Razor sharp and independent 2 X Diploma Level 5 qualified arborist Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,792	Part 1 First off I rang the customer from the sign writing on the vehicle parked near the house. I asked why the pruning in the first place ... and it was to make the trees safer as branch dropped out. I asked who did the job and was told Morrie's Tree Care and he suggested that they be reduced and pruned up safer like they are including overhang from neibs tree on LH side. I started to discuss the pruning in more detail and the customer went cold and said it was none of my business and to keep my nose out of their business. So, knowing Morrie's Tree Care is just up the road with a sign on the fence I drove up and got a pic. Then I rang Morrie. He said the trees were made safer and pruned in accordance with AS4373. He went on to say that whilst he is not an arborist he has worked on trees 8 years to 9 years now and used to be the foreman for Brisbane Tree Services. He said his cuts were no different to that of an arborist and he had great knowledge of how to make trees safer. I mentioned the lack of foliage and he reckons they'll bush up nice now.... this is what you have to do and it's right he reckons. Attached Thumbnails __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

2nd June 2007, 03:10 PM	#4
Eric Frei Admin - Razor sharp and independent 2 X Diploma Level 5 qualified arborist Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,792	Part 3 Just now 1.04pm Dan from BCC rang me and said permits were granted for pruning works to 6 forest red gums at above location. Part of the condition was council was to re-inspect but hasn't done so yet. I mentioned the topping and zero foliage etc and they'll have an officer out soon. I mentioned that no way does the pruning conform to AS4373 and if this is allowed then it'll be the laughing stock of tree management in Australia... imagine that, being allowed to prune protected trees like that. Now lets see how this pans out. Very interesting case to follow, their own rules state pruning to AS4373 is req'd. __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

2nd June 2007, 05:13 PM	#5
Drouin Tree Service Veteran Heritage Status Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Australia Posts: 1,694	Very interesting Ekka,i wont hold my breath on it but maybe you will force them into acting. __________________ Drouin Tree Services \| Excavator Hire - Drouin and SE Gippsland \| Landclearing Melbourne

2nd June 2007, 05:30 PM	#6
Sean Freeman Monument Status Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Townsville Nth Queensland & Gold Coast Sth Queensland Posts: 1,985	Oh dear sounds like BCC are losing the plot, would like to hear their side....permit to prune protected evenly weakly protected trees with no cutting specs...sounds kind of sus? I'm sorry Morrie but you have zero credibility mate, if you want to lop and top and can sell that to your client fine, but please don't try and quote standards and specs to us to defend sub standard (in the truest meaning) work, you just sound stupid and desperate.....yeah you do....I've worked with LGA cutting crews on and off since coming to Oz and the better crews have very experienced gangers who might not be qualified arborists but they do understand what lopping is and they would not do it to protected trees. So don't try to grasp at straws by suggestng that council crews would do what you've done. Last edited by Sean Freeman; 2nd June 2007 at 07:04 PM.

2nd June 2007, 06:17 PM	#7
matt dallas Sappling Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 6	their are some cowboys out their ekka , your doing a good job on cracking down on them, my groundy's can prune better than that ha,

2nd June 2007, 07:26 PM	#8
Eric Frei Admin - Razor sharp and independent 2 X Diploma Level 5 qualified arborist Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,792	I've had a gut full. I started to get used to it then when Jim came out he re-ignited the flame. I'm sick of being told to STFU and mind my own business. By doing this I am minding my own business, in the caretaker sense of exposing the hypocrites and hacks. That in effect will help my business, the more of them that lift their game or piss off the better. Good trees getting butchered for a buck. People calling themselves arborists who aren't or worse, who are but forgot what it means. I'm trying to make a living in this city too, the right way. I leave written quotes and clear explanations and have more info on my websites than these guys (including customers) would have read in their lives about trees. No-ones rattling the cage, no association is addressing it or has addressed it since I've been around ... must be in the too hard basket. How many of these hacks are hiding in organisations as I type? Well, tough shit, it's getting made public, and the best part is you are allowed to. Putting pictures of your tree work on the internet should be something you'd be proud to do, not scared of and threaten people, that my friend is a blatant sign of dishonesty and fraud. I even had the glen from Q-Build say to me, "how'd you like it if some-one followed you around putting pics up of your work?" Yeah, I'd love it, bring it on, in fact I do it myself nearly every day, I'm bloody proud of my work and proud to walk away from insistent fools wanting a hack job. Feel sorry for no-one, they chose to do it, they have a brain ... it's up to them how they use it. It really makes my skin crawl to hear their pathetic threats and justifications ... and their KNOW IT ALL BULL SHIT! When I drive around I look out for this stuff, you should all do the same and take a pro-active stance. Post them up here and get the facts, question the customers/authorities and tree companies ... if it's going to change then it happens for a reason, and that reason will be the evidence we supply. __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

2nd June 2007, 08:02 PM	#9
Jeff Darby Moderator - Previously known as JayD Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: TreeWorld, Sydney Australia Posts: 2,025	Hi, When I first looked at this it reminded me of the pruning Gomez Adams used to do on the Adam's Family, Do you's blokes remember that show???. What a pure unadulterated hack job, neatly hacked but hacked,please show me we in AS4373 does it show this method of corrective pruning??.Please correct me if I'm wrong! but an Australian Standard is the bare minumum/level of training and application we can expect from a tradesman in the application of his trade, This represention of work we have here comes no where near the mark, and the perpetraiters need to held responsable!.Now from the tree's health,let's have a quick look at this.we all know QLD is in the grip of probably the worst drought we seen for a long time so, These poor trees : # are drought stressed and along comes Joe Hack only looking at the money side of things and cuts of the food factory,BRILLIANT,now not only are they drought stressed,now their going strait into emergency recovery mode to get some more canopy back up there to feed the tree,what does grow back will be pure epicormic regrowth with no structuall attachement to the main trunk at all which will cause,if these trees survive,more danger to the owners up the road and more cost as these limbs break of in storms.From a hacks point of view great more money for him as he continually pulls the wool over the customer eyes, From an Arborist's outlook this is pure negligent practice and an insult to our profesion.and as far as throwing up a smoke cloud people are not stupid. WORK TO THE STANDARD OR GET OUT OF THE TREE CARE GAME because what these pictures represents is pure butchery! __________________ Member: Australian Tree Association Join the Australian Tree Association...Have your voice heard ! Arboriculture, A life long study for some, a passing phase for others © Jeffrey J Darby 2011

3rd June 2007, 02:36 PM	#10
TreeCo Mature tree Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Georgia, USA Posts: 307	Good work Ekka. Hold them to the fire!

3rd June 2007, 11:11 PM	#13
JohN Dee Moderator Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Climbing around the world Posts: 855	It’s a good thing this bloke doesn’t call himself an Arborist otherwise he’d have a heap of lawsuits for defamation. Morrie, you need to either get qualified and learn some ethics or GET OUT OF OUR INDUSTRY! This kind of work is appalling and a disgrace to the tree industry and everyone who is an Arborist. When is this government going to act on these situations? When it is too late? When it takes out their BMW? When a Lopped n Topped tree falls and kills one of their loved ones? And then when it does happen, they will take it too far... __________________ We are what we repeatedly do... Excellence then, is not an act, but HABIT... Red : Green : Blue

12th June 2007, 08:25 PM	#16
Eric Frei Admin - Razor sharp and independent 2 X Diploma Level 5 qualified arborist Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,792	I was advised today by BCC that a small piece of justice was dealt out to the home-owner and they were fined $375 That's the maximum thay can on the spot fine ... they advised to fine further meant legals and court case plus take a few years so decided on the $375 fine. It's something but in my mind a joke ... when the fine for malpractice to a SLT protected tree is that small many would just include that into the removal price and be done with it. The council specs for the job were a 20% thin, deadwood and work to be done by L3 arborist which Morrie is not! They didn't do anything to Morrie .... yet! __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

12th June 2007, 08:48 PM	#17
Jeff Darby Moderator - Previously known as JayD Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: TreeWorld, Sydney Australia Posts: 2,025	Ahha,a slap on the wrist for the home owner not much but better than nothing!..now they need to deal with Morrie,according to the previous posts he's supposed to executed his..LOL.. pruning in accordance with the standard,so deal with him according to the standard,bottom line is he should have walked as soon as he new what the customer wanted,or swung them around to do it properly.The home owner has been fined that's one part of the sequence of events that led to this episode of tree butchery dealt with so finnish the job, BCC, now it's Morries turn!. __________________ Member: Australian Tree Association Join the Australian Tree Association...Have your voice heard ! Arboriculture, A life long study for some, a passing phase for others © Jeffrey J Darby 2011

23rd June 2007, 09:29 AM	#18
NeTree Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: USA Posts: 69	Let's forget about the standards, for just a minute. How the heck can anyone stand back after they're done, look at that, and say "Man, that sure looks purty. I done a good job!" If they live, I see some poorly attached limbs in the future. In fact, I'd say in five years they'll be far more hazardous than they ever were.

23rd June 2007, 10:15 AM	#19
Eric Frei Admin - Razor sharp and independent 2 X Diploma Level 5 qualified arborist Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,792	That's what I reckon. The Council has ordered take downs on them now, plus replanting. You know, it's the dug in arrogance of the arborist that I really dont understand. __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

30th June 2007, 01:47 PM	#20
Eric Frei Admin - Razor sharp and independent 2 X Diploma Level 5 qualified arborist Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,792	Here's the finished product. BCC must be impressed with effectiveness of their Protection Orders. And Morrie took his sign down. Attached Thumbnails __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

30th June 2007, 04:02 PM	#21
JohN Dee Moderator Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Climbing around the world Posts: 855	Woohoo! Another win. Hopefully from this BCC can learn from it and maybe with a bit of nudging from their favorite Arborist they'll put up some TPO's __________________ We are what we repeatedly do... Excellence then, is not an act, but HABIT... Red : Green : Blue

30th June 2007, 04:46 PM	#22
Eric Frei Admin - Razor sharp and independent 2 X Diploma Level 5 qualified arborist Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,792	Sad part is the trees lost, and they were on huge property, easily accommodated, We preach right tree right place, couldn't have got much better than this. However you have borne witness to the "treeloppers" and the council in action. Personally, I'm really disappointed that in 2007 this sort of crap, and these sort of "tradesmen" exist. Any half decent town would run them out, run articles in media and get the community educated and on side. To expect to leave such an arduous task upon the forces of business is a joke, any idiot can and does go out and buy a saw, call themselves an expert and hack away. You need a BSA license to erect a stupid fence yet any old idiot with a saw takes on our job, and in this instance decent trees were destroyed, in the name of safety, profit and most important .... IGNORANCE. I draw your attention to the proactive publication in Melbourne TrevMcrev published. http://www.treeworld.info/attachment...1&d=1183115108 And also to this thread where another council puts out a warning. Council puts out warning for rogue tree loppers And this thread here shows some decent chat from SA parliament on the issues. SA Parliament tree chat 2006 __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

24th August 2007, 10:21 AM	#23
Sunraysia Tree Solutions Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Mildura Posts: 110	Be interesting if the council actually does something usually they just delay things until everbody forgets about it

9th November 2008, 10:04 PM	#24
Rebel9 Sappling Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Australia Posts: 6	Re: Exposing another shame file Great work, i might have to go around with my camera too and do some detective work..........[/B][/B]

11th November 2008, 02:55 PM	#25
treevet Backflipper Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Cincinnati, Ohio, USA Posts: 2,131	Re: Exposing another shame file Watcha ya gonna be lookin for Rebel9?

11th November 2008, 08:51 PM	#29
Eric Frei Admin - Razor sharp and independent 2 X Diploma Level 5 qualified arborist Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,792	Re: Exposing another shame file Ahem, the thread is called "Exposing another shame file" What did you expect to find here? Also, in case your senses have vacated your body, what are those other hundreds of threads all about, including the one about trichoderma vs armillaria? Are you being a forum drama Queen? Or a dummy spitter? Or trying to control what people want to do? Or trying to censor? Or unable to argue with logic? Or unable to accept all forms of posts? I dont know, but sure as eggs the place will be here with or without you. __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

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