Emerald Ash Borer| New Treatment 99% Effective

Tree Machine · 27th April 2008, 08:48 PM

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Have you got EAB in Indy?

The beetle has been positively identified in the two counties north of me. My county (Marion county) is under quarantine.

At the Indiana ISA conference a year and a a couple months ago I attended the EAB presentation by Dr. David Smitley of Michigan State University.After the talk I stayed after to shake hands. I told him the bug was in the adjacent counties to the north of me. He told me to get prepared, and make the infestation part of my reality. If it's not yet in my neighborhoods, it will be.

treevet · 27th April 2008, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Tree Machine

My Grandfather lived in northern Michigan, and I watched a large swath of the Manistee National Forest lose insane numbers of oaks. I would visit the forest with him every Spring for Morels and steelhead season, and again in the Fall for salmon season.

I saw the forest before the infestation, during the infestation and after. It was heartbreaking, but the bringing in Grampa's firewood the last few years of his life was easy pickins, forests full of standing and fallen dead oak. I remember one time when the gypsy moths were feeding so heavily you could stand quietly in the woods and the sound of their poop falling to the forest floor sounded like a light rain.

Not familiar w the mushrooms, but that is a damn nice looking fish and looks like you and your Grampa had a great day.

I know what you mean by raining poop hitting the leaves. The first year we hit them with Sevin, they fell immediately. The second year they fell after we got to the end of a long driveway. 3rd year it took couple of hours and the next year it hardly worked at all. Guys were using stuff that made birds fall in the yard. Few years later they disappeared as a fungus attacked their bodies and killed them. They have reappeared out there I ve heard and I saw stands on the PA Turnpike dead couple of summers ago I assumed they killed.

We ve got to worry about resistance to treatments from these also. They are harder to hit as they are inside tree. If you haven t seen one you should visit a infestation site. You will be amazed the devastation these little bastards can cause. It is hugely impressive.

treevet · 27th April 2008, 09:09 PM

I am familiar with Smitley. The guy I am in contact with is Dan Herms. What a great guy and very acessable and not at all condescending like you might expect. I think their are 4 lead researchers (I could be wrong) and these are 2 of them, the other being Deb McCullough (sp?) and not sure of other. The first seminar I attended was in 2002 with Ind Arb Assoc at Purdue Univ for EAB.

Looks like you are in one little hot spot or it is called a brush fire I think (as opposed to a forest fire). IMO when you are in a quarantined county and no contiguous quar counties around you then it spreads much faster as all wood and other refuse has to be distributed in your perimeter and it doesn t matter to anyone if it contains eab larvae. Reality is sad sometimes.

I just went in and passed a 2 hour test for a pesticide license last week. Have you done it? Could stand to make some good money and IMO it is very ethical if person wants to spend it and can afford it. I sold my big 50 gpm sprayer a few years ago but as luck would have I have a small one if I get into soil injection.

Tree Machine · 27th April 2008, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by treevet

The first seminar I attended was in 2002 with Ind Arb Assoc at Purdue Univ for EAB.

That was early.

I attended the 2006 teleconference, here at a local Purdue extension office. I shot the slides with my still camera as they were shown, and brought them back.

EAB-slides.jpg 1.55mb pic of all slides, open and scroll down

I was relieved when none were found in my neighborhoods last year (though that doesn't mean they're not here). This year I have a feeling the tide will change.

They emerald ash borer is high on my radar. I do not look forward to their arrival, but in the meantime I inspect every single ash tree I climb, prune or take down, and regularly visit Michigan State's EAB site,
the Michigan State Invasive Species Initiative,
Purdue University's EAB site
and the Indiana Department of Natural Resources EAB site.
Google searches now and then to find stuff not contained in the University links.

I keep informed through these venues and when it is time, I will buy the injection gun, chemicals and begin treating ash trees in my area.

I sincerely do not look forward to that time.

treevet · 27th April 2008, 09:40 PM

Me either. We re still clean in my town as far as anyone knows. I am buying the gun but also may do some soil injections for those who want many treated or cannot afford the root flare injections.

Tree Machine · 27th April 2008, 09:52 PM

Good luck to you, brother.

Emamectin is seeming to be very encouraging. I have a lot of clients ask me about the pest. I just let them know the borer has not been seen in our neighborhoods and that I will be sending a postcard to all my clients as soon as it is verified nearby, informing them of what our plan of action will be.

I see a future filled with answering the same damn EAB questions hundreds of times over.
I hate this bug already.

treevet · 27th April 2008, 10:03 PM

Same to you Jim. We ll have to get together sometime. I ve been through Indy every wk end the last couple of months for my kids track events. Sat we went to Anderson College.

Might advise you that it is not the wrong thing to start treatments even before the bug hits as as you said there is no knowing if it isn t already in the tops of the ash as this is where it starts (and is often undetected for years). The earlier the better it is said re treatments.

I did some last year and already have some scheduled for next month

I am going to crash and you don't need to reply unless you want to.

arborjockey · 28th April 2008, 05:36 PM

Wait tell the EAB gets here befor you cut the trees down first of all. If anybody in our area needs worry about E.A.B. we treat trees and guarantee the tree as long as the client gets the systemic yearly. The $ of the treatment will go down. It has to. Were in america will probably end up getting a subsidy for it.

There sure are alot of big ash trees. Makes you think.........

treeman48423 · 25th May 2008, 04:12 PM

I am new to this forum, Looks good so far <. theres some good communication on this subject.Quick question - if you was to apply this product ( tree-age ) what would you charge ? x$ per inch , and so forth . Thanks in advance - Tim Taylor

treevet · 26th May 2008, 09:56 PM

I am fairly sure you could get some assistance on that question from the distributer you will have to go through to purchase the EmBen product and the equipment to introduce it into the tree with. I think you may also get some free advertising on the web when you buy in. It is very expensive. to forewarn you.

treeman48423 · 27th May 2008, 06:49 AM

Thanks for your response . we know sales people have their pitch and ideas , but I tend to lean towards us in the field , any thoughts ? Thanks

treevet · 27th May 2008, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by treeman48423

Thanks for your response . we know sales people have their pitch and ideas , but I tend to lean towards us in the field , any thoughts ? Thanks

Yeah Tim, first off the EmBen cost over 500$ for a liter. Think a liter of coke.....500$. Also the equipment can cost from 500$ to 2k$ I think I was told. Anyway this is the same situation when I was raped buying the past current savior product known as Safari last year(which has fallen from grace). If I remember correctly I paid over 400$ for a granular liter that treated very few trees. We can guess who is making the big $ (not us field guys). I correspond with a lead researcher at Ohio State and the tested data on the Tree ("Ahge") product was high nineties in one test and mid seventies in another. Very good but not perfect like it will need to be under high pressure (heavy infestation). It tested very similar to injected immidacloprid.

Hey, if you ve got ten bugs attacking the tree and you re getting hit 3 times (in 70 percent scenerio)....no problem. But if you ve got a thousand of the little shits hitting and 300 are successful it is curtains and I have witnessed this as I am sure you have in Mich.

I guess the top treatments are injections of Immid or EmBen. But what about the injection wounds. Not a small consideration.

newguy18 · 27th May 2008, 10:47 AM

A little off topic but have any of you guys used this stuff?
SUPERthrive - Worlds number one plant supply - Twice as big in only 3 months

treevet · 3rd June 2008, 08:47 AM

I'm on a rain day and small things entertain small minds. New treatment might be to ban doggy style on shiny ass insects.

http://www.invasive.org/images/768x512/9009032.ipg

treevet · 3rd June 2008, 08:51 AM

one more try w a couple of eab's doing the nasty:

http://www.invasive.org/images/768x512/9009032.jpg

if this doesn t work I am headed back to the desk.

newguy18 · 3rd June 2008, 06:35 PM

I didn't need to see that,noone has tried the chemical i posted earlier,i saw it on the back of tree service magazine and now i'm curious about it.

27th April 2008, 09:09 PM	#28 (permalink)
treevet Over mature heritage tree Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Cincinnati, Ohio, USA Posts: 972	Re: Emerald Ash Borer\| New Treatment 99% Effective I am familiar with Smitley. The guy I am in contact with is Dan Herms. What a great guy and very acessable and not at all condescending like you might expect. I think their are 4 lead researchers (I could be wrong) and these are 2 of them, the other being Deb McCullough (sp?) and not sure of other. The first seminar I attended was in 2002 with Ind Arb Assoc at Purdue Univ for EAB. Looks like you are in one little hot spot or it is called a brush fire I think (as opposed to a forest fire). IMO when you are in a quarantined county and no contiguous quar counties around you then it spreads much faster as all wood and other refuse has to be distributed in your perimeter and it doesn t matter to anyone if it contains eab larvae. Reality is sad sometimes. I just went in and passed a 2 hour test for a pesticide license last week. Have you done it? Could stand to make some good money and IMO it is very ethical if person wants to spend it and can afford it. I sold my big 50 gpm sprayer a few years ago but as luck would have I have a small one if I get into soil injection.

27th April 2008, 09:40 PM	#30 (permalink)
treevet Over mature heritage tree Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Cincinnati, Ohio, USA Posts: 972	Re: Emerald Ash Borer\| New Treatment 99% Effective Me either. We re still clean in my town as far as anyone knows. I am buying the gun but also may do some soil injections for those who want many treated or cannot afford the root flare injections.

27th April 2008, 10:03 PM	#32 (permalink)
treevet Over mature heritage tree Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Cincinnati, Ohio, USA Posts: 972	Re: Emerald Ash Borer\| New Treatment 99% Effective Same to you Jim. We ll have to get together sometime. I ve been through Indy every wk end the last couple of months for my kids track events. Sat we went to Anderson College. Might advise you that it is not the wrong thing to start treatments even before the bug hits as as you said there is no knowing if it isn t already in the tops of the ash as this is where it starts (and is often undetected for years). The earlier the better it is said re treatments. I did some last year and already have some scheduled for next month I am going to crash and you don't need to reply unless you want to.

28th April 2008, 05:36 PM	#33 (permalink)
arborjockey Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: hawaii. ohio. oregon. california Posts: 127	Re: Emerald Ash Borer\| New Treatment 99% Effective Wait tell the EAB gets here befor you cut the trees down first of all. If anybody in our area needs worry about E.A.B. we treat trees and guarantee the tree as long as the client gets the systemic yearly. The $ of the treatment will go down. It has to. Were in america will probably end up getting a subsidy for it. There sure are alot of big ash trees. Makes you think.........

25th May 2008, 04:12 PM	#34 (permalink)
treeman48423 Sappling Join Date: May 2008 Location: Davison Mi Posts: 8	Re: Emerald Ash Borer\| New Treatment 99% Effective I am new to this forum, Looks good so far <. theres some good communication on this subject.Quick question - if you was to apply this product ( tree-age ) what would you charge ? x$ per inch , and so forth . Thanks in advance - Tim Taylor

27th April 2008, 09:52 PM	#31 (permalink)
Tree Machine Over mature heritage tree Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 569	Good luck to you, brother. Emamectin is seeming to be very encouraging. I have a lot of clients ask me about the pest. I just let them know the borer has not been seen in our neighborhoods and that I will be sending a postcard to all my clients as soon as it is verified nearby, informing them of what our plan of action will be. I see a future filled with answering the same damn EAB questions hundreds of times over. I hate this bug already.

26th May 2008, 09:56 PM	#35 (permalink)
treevet Over mature heritage tree Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Cincinnati, Ohio, USA Posts: 972	Re: Emerald Ash Borer\| New Treatment 99% Effective I am fairly sure you could get some assistance on that question from the distributer you will have to go through to purchase the EmBen product and the equipment to introduce it into the tree with. I think you may also get some free advertising on the web when you buy in. It is very expensive. to forewarn you.

27th May 2008, 06:49 AM	#36 (permalink)
treeman48423 Sappling Join Date: May 2008 Location: Davison Mi Posts: 8	Re: Emerald Ash Borer\| New Treatment 99% Effective Thanks for your response . we know sales people have their pitch and ideas , but I tend to lean towards us in the field , any thoughts ? Thanks

27th May 2008, 10:47 AM	#38 (permalink)
newguy18 Part of the Furniture Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Live Oak Florida home of the crapiest trees you will ever see. Posts: 2,679	Re: Emerald Ash Borer\| New Treatment 99% Effective A little off topic but have any of you guys used this stuff? SUPERthrive - Worlds number one plant supply - Twice as big in only 3 months __________________ Have your say join us today. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xzkd_m4ivmc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xzfzb...eature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-OqK...eature=related

3rd June 2008, 08:47 AM	#39 (permalink)
treevet Over mature heritage tree Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Cincinnati, Ohio, USA Posts: 972	Re: Emerald Ash Borer\| New Treatment 99% Effective I'm on a rain day and small things entertain small minds. New treatment might be to ban doggy style on shiny ass insects. http://www.invasive.org/images/768x512/9009032.ipg

3rd June 2008, 08:51 AM	#40 (permalink)
treevet Over mature heritage tree Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Cincinnati, Ohio, USA Posts: 972	Re: Emerald Ash Borer\| New Treatment 99% Effective one more try w a couple of eab's doing the nasty: http://www.invasive.org/images/768x512/9009032.jpg if this doesn t work I am headed back to the desk.

3rd June 2008, 06:35 PM	#41 (permalink)
newguy18 Part of the Furniture Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Live Oak Florida home of the crapiest trees you will ever see. Posts: 2,679	Re: Emerald Ash Borer\| New Treatment 99% Effective I didn't need to see that,noone has tried the chemical i posted earlier,i saw it on the back of tree service magazine and now i'm curious about it. __________________ Have your say join us today. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xzkd_m4ivmc http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xzfzb...eature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-OqK...eature=related