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| Over mature heritage tree Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Sydney
Posts: 940
| Last week I was talking to one of our clients about how she went with getting the permission for the removal of the tree we were removing. Well a long story short, once the Tree Preservation Officer left the street, along came the Islanders knocking on her door. They tried and begged, to get the job out from under us, even asking our business name and contact number - we had quoted it a month earlier. She told him to PISS OFF and slammed the door in his face. Today I was speaking with an other client, he was telling me just hours after he rang the council for his removal application, the islanders came door knocking - One driving and three running down the street bashing on doors for tree work. They bashed on his door even offering to cut down his tree before he had permission - This is when the TPO was following THEM down the street (the islanders have been stalking the TPO to see what houses he goes into for tree work). The TPO then jumped out of the car, grabbed them and ORDERED them out of the area. One of the Islanders then raised his fist at the TPO, but the TPO stood strong and all the Islander was, was a dog barking at the fence. They all jumped back into their Van (Fob-mobile) and took off. Another scenario I know of is, the egyptian tree workers... They sit down the end of the street before the hubby' goes to work, then when he leaves and the mrs is at home, they go and knock and pressure them into getting the tree cut down that instant. Although this isn't directly affecting our work load, it is affecting mine and Johns patience, that our loyal customers have to put up with this bullshit (aswell now as the TPO's) and johnny howard doesnt give a rats ass aslong as the $$$ is coming through (from us honest business-men). JayD ![]() ![]() ![]() |
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| Eric Frei Administrator - Brisbane L5 (Dip) Hort Cert III Arb + some Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane
Posts: 6,915
| Same here, there wouldn't be a house in Brisbane that hasn't been knocked, and that's over 1/2 million households. They get organized through their church, there's hundreds of them! Other threads with same interest. The official Aussie dob in a door knocker thread The doorknockers have hit Melbourne. "Isle of Man Tree Surgery Club" Plus QLD law on it Fair Trading Qld
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| Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: ohio
Posts: 201
| It sounds like you guys have a major problem with these guys .I don t see it being that bad around here .I really don t see door knocking being such a bad thing . Please don t everybody jump on my back and beat the crap out of me . I remember a few years ago when we had a bad ice storm , me and my friend went and bought a few saws and went door pounding clean up yards . Made some money had fun made one customer that called back wanted another tree cleaned . So that kind of how I got started I am still not full time but am trying to get there . And since I have bought thousands of dollars of equipment , got certified ,got insurance . I drive around town and see very dead trees close to publics places that could be major hazards . 2 that I can think of very clear and think if I get a slow spot in my work I am going to knock on these people door and give them a price . So does that make me a bad guy I would say no but is does make me door knocker . |
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| Mature tree Join Date: May 2007 Location: sydney
Posts: 462
| I hear the same thing very very often jayd. Islanders knocking on doors, starting at $1200 for a coco's palm then eventually going down to 2-300. What shits you is the pressure they put on the residents and say the tree has to come out etc. They even come back to the same street and try again. I know the TPO in the Sutherland Shire is after them, but there is so many of them, they rotate and come and go. Have you seen them work?? All cut and drop, probably no insurance and a van pulls up wil about 10 men women and kids all to clean up whilst the "cutter" moves on down the street!!! |
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| Eric Frei Administrator - Brisbane L5 (Dip) Hort Cert III Arb + some Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane
Posts: 6,915
| Osb, It's all about your technique and advice. Do you say all trees are dangerous and need to go? Do you pretend you work for the local council and happen to notice ...... ? Do you start at a price 4x higher than reality? Do you pressure people? Do you provide written no obligation quotes and allow people time to make decisions? Do you approve of uninsured, no PPE and no skill? There's a lot more to this than meets the eye, but it stinks to compete with scum.
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| Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Suffolk UK
Posts: 214
| There is a big difference OSB, we have door knockers over here, they pull the same stunts the Islanders in Australia do, I have door knocked legitamatly, I have pointed out real dangerous trees, but I haven't used any high pressure sales tactics the scum use , there is a very big difference. |
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| Mature tree Join Date: May 2007 Location: sydney
Posts: 462
| Did 3 quotes today. Islanders had been to all 3 people the weeks before. Quote and offered to remove ANY tree on their properties, no permit required. Luckily these people got sceptical when the price halved, then halved again all in the space of 10mins. And the fact they started to get shitty when the customer didn't want them to do the work. |
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| Mature tree Join Date: May 2007 Location: sydney
Posts: 462
| What also Sh1ts you is the coincidence of dumped trees and palms on our urban fringe increasing when these guys are doing trees for prices that wont even get you in the gate to the local tip!!!!!! Give us a bad name. |
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| Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: New Zealand
Posts: 101
| we have the same problems in NZ, the main thing which is really disturbing is thte fact these prey on the elderly, several instances where the islanders have TOLD the owner the trees need pruning and they will do the job and it will cost this much, they have been scared into getting tree work done!! how is this moral... |
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| Part of the Furniture Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Live Oak Florida home of the crapiest trees you will ever see.
Posts: 2,677
| Around if you say you are a handyman you can do anything except for roofs,electrical,or plumbing without a license or insurance.All of them do trees and almost all of them either use a ladder.
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| Part of the Furniture Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Live Oak Florida home of the crapiest trees you will ever see.
Posts: 2,677
| No they're not reported as arborists.We also don't police them because they can do it by law here.
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| Eric Frei Administrator - Brisbane L5 (Dip) Hort Cert III Arb + some Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane
Posts: 6,915
| I'm subscribed to the weekly newsletter of OFT here. Here's this weeks compatible bust. Quote:
But seriously, just seems to be the place for conmen.
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| Eric Frei Administrator - Brisbane L5 (Dip) Hort Cert III Arb + some Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane
Posts: 6,915
| And here's yet another from our OFT this week. Quote:
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