Dangerous Profession? Need to take them all?

treejames64 · 13th April 2009, 02:35 AM

I used to feel bad for my groundmen. I had a nasty habit of dipping Coppenhagen and if the wind changed directions......They were all real glad when I quit. Talk about dangerous...It burns the eyes.

Therrin · 14th April 2009, 03:34 PM

Bill, the quote is, "There are old climbers, and bold climbers, but not both"

Because the bold ones with the big ego dont live long enough to become old.
Sad, that I have to explain that to you, but I'm not really expecting you to make it to your thirtieth birthday anyhow.

You go do your thing, with your ego, and your "boldness"... I'ma keep feeling my years, and die in a nursing home in a pile of my own shit.

HEY! wait that doesnt sound good either! Dammit!

JohN Dee · 14th April 2009, 10:00 PM

Hey guess what Tree World, heres a can of worms for ya!!!

That stat was probably an american statistic.

I've stirred the pot, now lets see what boils over

Levi Parkin · 15th April 2009, 01:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohN Dee

Hey guess what Tree World, heres a can of worms for ya!!!

That stat was probably an american statistic.

I've stirred the pot, now lets see what boils over

It was an American statistic....

Now where's that can of worms so I can go fishin'?

Biggaz · 15th April 2009, 03:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by newguy18

I'm a bold climber,i even have the ego to prove it.

Ahh, but you're not an old, bold climber!!!

southsoundtree · 22nd April 2009, 02:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by treejames64

I've trained a lot of climbers over the years and the most injuries seem to come from the climber in the two to five year span. These guys usually have a natural gift of moving around in the trees and make formans running their own crews. There's a lot of stuff to watch out for that if you tried to explain to a newer climber it would overwhelm them. I do a lot of extremly hazzardous trees but I do not take any unnessesary risks. I rarely throw or butt catch more than a fifteen foot top. It's just not worth the risk. I also don't get greedy with cranes. I once go lazy and took a 10,000 lbs top on a large oak with a 30 ton crane (figured it weighed around 6,000 lbs) because I didn't want to waste time cranning all the limbs. The driver almost set it down in my bucket. I've got one climer I've trained that is in a wheel chair for the rest of his life as a result of using a cable flip line next to a power line. It's a dangerous job and no tree is entirely safe. Saying all that theres something that feels real good when the city comes to get you cause no one else wants to do the job. I think deep down this is why most of us got into this anyway. We need a challege and somehow feed on the danger otherwise we might as well be cutitng grass.

What was the scenario of your injured climber?

treejames64 · 22nd April 2009, 09:58 AM

The worst two injuries were a guy hit a powerline with a steel core flip line and fell. He is wheelchaired bound today. Also had a guy got killed when he butt caught a large end of a large limb from a oak without a top. He was tied in parallel to the limb. The whole limb broke and he swung back into the tree after a 30 ft drop. Most injuries were slips, sprains, and one guy cut his hand pretty good after jumping a branch. (lost his balance and brought the saw down on his hand.) I've had a close call when pulling a large top with a backward lean. The hingewood gave out when the top just got past the midway point. The top almost twisted off the base and came down inside my safty line. Lots of things to watch for so I always advise new climbers to take smaller pieces. This limits damage to property and to theirselves.

Therrin · 25th April 2009, 08:15 AM

Hey you should wear a helmet more often, seeing how accident prone you are.

treejames64 · 25th April 2009, 11:02 AM

I'm not too Prideful to change. I've been wearing my hardhat everyday. However I never had a serious injury on one of my jobs. I still say you can have the chaps. Maybe I'm different but I would pass out if I wore them in the heat of summer. Of course if I slowed my pace way down....Maybe I would make it.

newguy18 · 25th April 2009, 11:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Biggaz

Ahh, but you're not an old, bold climber!!!

I don't want to be old,i'll be remembered for having the biggest cajones in my area.

Therrin · 25th April 2009, 12:07 PM

And how long will they remember you? Eh, maybe a month, then life will go on and you will be forgotten.

And since you dont like girls, you'll leave no children behind. Your genes will become lost and exempt (possibly a good thing anyway). And everyone will forget about you.

Go for it Bill! You can have big cajones, and dying young with them.

I prefer being able to USE my package further on into life.

Eric Frei · 25th April 2009, 05:44 PM

Ah stop bustin his balls.

Therrin · 25th April 2009, 05:47 PM

Aww, but Ekka, they're just so BIG

I couldnt help myself

Jeff Darby · 25th April 2009, 06:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Therrin

Aww, but Ekka, they're just so BIG

I couldnt help myself

any tougher and he would rust...LOL

Treemonkee · 27th April 2011, 07:16 PM

2nd most dangerous industry in the world look it up for ya selves.and I only take my hat off too the ones that have climbed hundreds if not thousands of 80 to 100 foot + trees over houses,high voltage lines,and every other obstacle!!without damage or injurys,if you haven't done this then don't comment BOY.I know hundreds of guys in my industry and would only put half adozen of them up one of these trees.ya think ya good well ????en prove it bitch!!!!

I CAN !!

And proud too walk the talk.
Also before ya think you've done it 100 foot gum over a house fences services wires for about $3,000 should be done in two hours off to the next tree!!
We deserve more money.there's plenty of 60foot climbers out there so what,climbed them when we were kids

Rob Chace · 27th April 2011, 10:20 PM

....errr um i have nothing constructive to add to this thread...

Joshua Rugg · 28th April 2011, 07:58 PM

as tight on money as our company is, some jobs are just a waste of money. id rather be working less and keeping up with the bills then working harder and going broke. i get jobs all the time after i turn them down.

home owner "i want these trees to be trimmed"

me "looks like a crown raise on one and a reduction on the other"

home owner "how much?"

me "about 600 for the big one and 400 for the small"

home owner "are you joking? thats too much money im gonna compare you with another bidder"

me "im a pro mam. you called me for a tree pro to do what your husband cant and im giving you a fair price"

one week later the phone rings "hey can you come work on my trees? im willing to take your price.

i think she was testing out who is the "real pro" and who was just trying to make a buck. the other guys were loppers and were trying to talk her into topping both trees to become less of an issue at the cost of a bit more then what i bid.
job is done, target cuts made. tree is healthy and alive, looks good homeowner happy, money in bank. job well done.

sometimes you just have to back away from a job for people to take you seriously. act like you dont need the job and chances are you will get it. some people dont like to hire desperate companies. if anything act like you really wanna work on their tree to make it healthy and nice. i often say "wow these are some of the nicest species of this tree i have ever seen".

Houthakker · 28th April 2011, 11:24 PM

I do not NEED to take them all, I WANT to take them all. There is not a single I was asked for to take down (and got the order to do so) that is still standing. Other trees that are still standing owners thought it to be too expensive.

Old and Bold ? Constructionyear 1969 still going strong, I have to admit in Sweden trees are smaller than in the Netherlands and the gardens bigger. So throwing down BIG branches is often no problem. Followed by precisionfelling of the tree(s)

13th April 2009, 02:35 AM	#31
treejames64 Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Gainesville, fl Posts: 104	Re: Dangerous Profession? Need to take them all? I used to feel bad for my groundmen. I had a nasty habit of dipping Coppenhagen and if the wind changed directions......They were all real glad when I quit. Talk about dangerous...It burns the eyes. Last edited by treejames64; 13th April 2009 at 08:07 AM.

14th April 2009, 03:34 PM	#32
Therrin Former Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Bakersfield, Ca Posts: 2,497	Re: Dangerous Profession? Need to take them all? Bill, the quote is, "There are old climbers, and bold climbers, but not both" Because the bold ones with the big ego dont live long enough to become old. Sad, that I have to explain that to you, but I'm not really expecting you to make it to your thirtieth birthday anyhow. You go do your thing, with your ego, and your "boldness"... I'ma keep feeling my years, and die in a nursing home in a pile of my own shit. HEY! wait that doesnt sound good either! Dammit!

14th April 2009, 10:00 PM	#33
JohN Dee Moderator Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Climbing around the world Posts: 848	Re: Dangerous Profession? Need to take them all? Hey guess what Tree World, heres a can of worms for ya!!! That stat was probably an american statistic. I've stirred the pot, now lets see what boils over __________________ We are what we repeatedly do... Excellence then, is not an act, but HABIT... Red : Green : Blue

22nd April 2009, 09:58 AM	#37
treejames64 Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Gainesville, fl Posts: 104	Re: Dangerous Profession? Need to take them all? The worst two injuries were a guy hit a powerline with a steel core flip line and fell. He is wheelchaired bound today. Also had a guy got killed when he butt caught a large end of a large limb from a oak without a top. He was tied in parallel to the limb. The whole limb broke and he swung back into the tree after a 30 ft drop. Most injuries were slips, sprains, and one guy cut his hand pretty good after jumping a branch. (lost his balance and brought the saw down on his hand.) I've had a close call when pulling a large top with a backward lean. The hingewood gave out when the top just got past the midway point. The top almost twisted off the base and came down inside my safty line. Lots of things to watch for so I always advise new climbers to take smaller pieces. This limits damage to property and to theirselves.

25th April 2009, 08:15 AM	#38
Therrin Former Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Bakersfield, Ca Posts: 2,497	Re: Dangerous Profession? Need to take them all? Hey you should wear a helmet more often, seeing how accident prone you are.

25th April 2009, 11:02 AM	#39
treejames64 Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Gainesville, fl Posts: 104	Re: Dangerous Profession? Need to take them all? I'm not too Prideful to change. I've been wearing my hardhat everyday. However I never had a serious injury on one of my jobs. I still say you can have the chaps. Maybe I'm different but I would pass out if I wore them in the heat of summer. Of course if I slowed my pace way down....Maybe I would make it.

25th April 2009, 12:07 PM	#41
Therrin Former Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Bakersfield, Ca Posts: 2,497	Re: Dangerous Profession? Need to take them all? And how long will they remember you? Eh, maybe a month, then life will go on and you will be forgotten. And since you dont like girls, you'll leave no children behind. Your genes will become lost and exempt (possibly a good thing anyway). And everyone will forget about you. Go for it Bill! You can have big cajones, and dying young with them. I prefer being able to USE my package further on into life.

25th April 2009, 05:44 PM	#42
Eric Frei Admin - Owner Palm & Tree Services in Brisbane Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,994	Re: Dangerous Profession? Need to take them all? Ah stop bustin his balls. __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Palm and Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

25th April 2009, 05:47 PM	#43
Therrin Former Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Bakersfield, Ca Posts: 2,497	Re: Dangerous Profession? Need to take them all? Aww, but Ekka, they're just so BIG I couldnt help myself

27th April 2011, 07:16 PM	#45
Treemonkee Sappling Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Brisbane Posts: 40	Re: Dangerous Profession? Need to take them all? 2nd most dangerous industry in the world look it up for ya selves.and I only take my hat off too the ones that have climbed hundreds if not thousands of 80 to 100 foot + trees over houses,high voltage lines,and every other obstacle!!without damage or injurys,if you haven't done this then don't comment BOY.I know hundreds of guys in my industry and would only put half adozen of them up one of these trees.ya think ya good well ????en prove it bitch!!!! I CAN !! And proud too walk the talk. Also before ya think you've done it 100 foot gum over a house fences services wires for about $3,000 should be done in two hours off to the next tree!! We deserve more money.there's plenty of 60foot climbers out there so what,climbed them when we were kids

27th April 2011, 10:20 PM	#46
Rob Chace Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Perth, WA Posts: 238	Re: Dangerous Profession? Need to take them all? ....errr um i have nothing constructive to add to this thread...

28th April 2011, 07:58 PM	#47
Joshua Rugg Mature tree Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: maui, hawaii Posts: 285	Re: Dangerous Profession? Need to take them all? as tight on money as our company is, some jobs are just a waste of money. id rather be working less and keeping up with the bills then working harder and going broke. i get jobs all the time after i turn them down. home owner "i want these trees to be trimmed" me "looks like a crown raise on one and a reduction on the other" home owner "how much?" me "about 600 for the big one and 400 for the small" home owner "are you joking? thats too much money im gonna compare you with another bidder" me "im a pro mam. you called me for a tree pro to do what your husband cant and im giving you a fair price" one week later the phone rings "hey can you come work on my trees? im willing to take your price. i think she was testing out who is the "real pro" and who was just trying to make a buck. the other guys were loppers and were trying to talk her into topping both trees to become less of an issue at the cost of a bit more then what i bid. job is done, target cuts made. tree is healthy and alive, looks good homeowner happy, money in bank. job well done. sometimes you just have to back away from a job for people to take you seriously. act like you dont need the job and chances are you will get it. some people dont like to hire desperate companies. if anything act like you really wanna work on their tree to make it healthy and nice. i often say "wow these are some of the nicest species of this tree i have ever seen". __________________ Stihl MS192T 14" MS200T 16" MS261 16" MS440 25" Husqvarna 359 20" 394XP 32" Poulan P3314 14" ( new hire/groundy saw)

28th April 2011, 11:24 PM	#48
Houthakker Sappling Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Sweden Posts: 46	Re: Dangerous Profession? Need to take them all? I do not NEED to take them all, I WANT to take them all. There is not a single I was asked for to take down (and got the order to do so) that is still standing. Other trees that are still standing owners thought it to be too expensive. Old and Bold ? Constructionyear 1969 still going strong, I have to admit in Sweden trees are smaller than in the Netherlands and the gardens bigger. So throwing down BIG branches is often no problem. Followed by precisionfelling of the tree(s)

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