damn you cocos plumosa!!

Joshua Rugg

i was sooo annoyed this morning taking down one 20" and one 13" dbh cocos plumosa palms. we dropped the palms no problem and then bucking was another story. the kerfs always close up on the first 2-3 inches so i had to bore cut every thing when bucking. damn it i hate these palms!

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Jeff Darby

Use a powerful saw and cut through the leaf scar...judging it as you go.

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Joshua Rugg

tried the leaf scars. doesnt work it still compresses.

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Eric Frei

The Bore wing|borewing| bore-wing cut for palms

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Joshua Rugg

how does that work with bucking eric? is there a special trick you use when the palm is on the ground?

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Poulan P3314 14" ( new hire/groundy saw)

Eric Frei

You bore them, wing cut the top of the bore cut .... roll the log and wing cut it again. Same as in the video except the wing cuts can be directly into the bore cut. You'll figure it out ..... triangle palms are even worse bastids for clamping the bar.

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Joshua Rugg

thanks bud. i ws cutting the larger sections with my 394xp with 32" bar and chain and instead of cutting the crown bud into rounds, i cross cut it and it went through like butta! semi dull chain too

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Eric Frei

Cut the head off and leave it until last, they will dull the chain, bloody things suck, we often can grab the whole head with the kanga.

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Joshua Rugg

Eric, im curious as to what causes the bar to get stuck. whats the science behind it all?

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Eric Frei

Well, here's my explanation.

Palms unlike trees do not have heartwood and sapwood. They are vascular for the entire diameter, bundles of tubes you can imagine. So they are moist for the entire diameter and they are quite flexible, they bend a lot in the wind.

Palms generally only grow upwards (once full dia established). There is never any deadwood within that inertly supports the palm, it's all working and it's wet. So you cut into it, the kerf is not kept open very well, the palm is moving. Pieces are flexing, stretching, shrinking like loaded rubber bands plus you have the weight of the section you cut (if blocking down).

Have you ever cut the head off a palm and waited to see what happens? I have and you literally see pieces move up and down. You look back at the palm 1 hour later and whole sections have dropped or risen, like layers, especially around the crown shaft area. Try it on a cuban or alex palm.

At a seminar Klaus Mattheck called them bastids, big rubber bands he called them, exact words were "bastid rubber bands".

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Joshua Rugg

haha thats too funny! bastid rubbish!

i allways thought it had to do with the fibers being under pressure from all that weight for so long and once they are cut they can finally relax hence the fibers closing expanding into the cut.

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Stihl
MS192T 14"
MS200T 16"
MS261 16"
MS440 25"

Husqvarna 359 20"
394XP 32"

Poulan P3314 14" ( new hire/groundy saw)