crown reduction

gavin160 · 9th January 2009, 07:14 AM

come on then guys have got this nice big job coming up , 2m complete crown reduction on a nice big holm oak.
i am crapping my self that its going to look bald when done normaly wouldnt bother me but its in the middle of a town centre ahhhhhh
inow people are going to bad mouth my work when finished.
what do you guys think of recovery time ?
to make matters worse i now im going to get a visit from the local arb officer.
oh arse i was never going to win in the first place
Gav

newguy18 · 9th January 2009, 07:16 AM

pics?

Garry Brockley · 9th January 2009, 08:23 AM

Gav get some pics of the tree up and we might be able to give you some ideas and dont fret over the tree officer they are under qualified for the job generally and dont know their arse from thier elbow.

gavin160 · 9th January 2009, 08:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Galbee

Gav get some pics of the tree up and we might be able to give you some ideas and dont fret over the tree officer they are under qualified for the job generally and dont know their arse from thier elbow.

cheers mate
how you doing ?
what country you in ?
im having trouble cropping my pictures to file size hope you got last one i attached

newguy18 · 9th January 2009, 09:01 AM

Are you pruning back to nodes or is this in effect topping or pollarding?

gavin160 · 9th January 2009, 04:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by newguy18

Are you pruning back to nodes or is this in effect topping or pollarding?

yes pruning back to growth points

Garry Brockley · 9th January 2009, 05:38 PM

we need a picture of the tree from several angles to help.im currently in lincoln but will be in aus as of 10days
in the picture are you cutting back below the fork below or leaving it as is and are you doing that all over the tree??

gavin160 · 9th January 2009, 05:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Galbee

we need a picture of the tree from several angles to help.im currently in lincoln but will be in aus as of 10days
in the picture are you cutting back below the fork below or leaving it as is and are you doing that all over the tree??

below the fork ? what do ya mean and yes allover
cant get more pictures as cant resize them

Garry Brockley · 9th January 2009, 05:51 PM

do you have microsoft paint? if so open in that click on image and resize to 35% that will do it.
I am trying to establish how you work ie are you topping, rounding over or reducing to growth points that are 1/3 of the branch.

gavin160 · 9th January 2009, 05:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Galbee

do you have microsoft paint? if so open in that click on image and resize to 35% that will do it.
I am trying to establish how you work ie are you topping, rounding over or reducing to growth points that are 1/3 of the branch.

reducing to growth point 1/3

gavin160 · 9th January 2009, 06:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gavin160

reducing to growth point 1/3

ehat would you advise
rounding over sounds tidy though
just found out what rounding over is down here we call it topping or tipping

newguy18 · 10th January 2009, 03:02 AM

If your making the cuts back to growth points that are at least 1/3 of the size of what your removing ,then its okay.

bobdoesit · 10th January 2009, 03:45 AM

Hey Gav. I had the same problem trying to upload pics. I was told to use Picture Gridle and that works a treat mate. You then have 2 copies of the pics original size and the resized ones to post have fun.

And hey climb safe out there.
Rob.

bobdoesit · 10th January 2009, 03:50 AM

Hey Galbee. You luky sod off to Aus. How long for. I am off to N Z on 5th Feb for a month. Gonna do a lot of traveling to camper hire that sort of thing. Only thing am jealous of is you,ll be on holiday befor me mate, have a good one.

Rob.

bigshea13 · 10th January 2009, 09:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobdoesit

Hey Galbee. You luky sod off to Aus. How long for. I am off to N Z on 5th Feb for a month. Gonna do a lot of traveling to camper hire that sort of thing. Only thing am jealous of is you,ll be on holiday befor me mate, have a good one.

Rob.

whats yoour avatar of?

Garry Brockley · 10th January 2009, 10:24 AM

For good mate!!!

Jamie Myers · 12th January 2009, 07:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Galbee

For good mate!!!

Good luck fella where abouts in Aus are you going to

newguy18 · 12th January 2009, 07:29 AM

Does England suck that bad that all of you want to leave?

treefeller · 12th January 2009, 08:42 AM

The reduction should be third of the size of the crown maintaining us much of the shape as possible. their is nothing worse than a tree being reduced and the top being flat

. i also try to keep as much of the foliage on as possible.
Galbee you gonna visit Ekka.

Jamie Myers · 13th January 2009, 03:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by newguy18

Does England suck that bad that all of you want to leave?

YEP it sure does

Garry Brockley · 13th January 2009, 06:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by treefeller

The reduction should be third of the size of the crown maintaining us much of the shape as possible. their is nothing worse than a tree being reduced and the top being flat

. i also try to keep as much of the foliage on as possible.
Galbee you gonna visit Ekka.

yes i will give him a visit try some of his home brew.

gavin160 · 13th January 2009, 08:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by treefeller

The reduction should be third of the size of the crown maintaining us much of the shape as possible. their is nothing worse than a tree being reduced and the top being flat

. i also try to keep as much of the foliage on as possible.
Galbee you gonna visit Ekka.

trying to keep as much of the foliage is what im concerned about
cheers for your help though
will post pics when done.

treefeller · 13th January 2009, 08:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gavin160

trying to keep as much of the foliage is what im concerned about
cheers for your help though
will post pics when done.

cool,look forward to it.

gavin160 · 13th January 2009, 09:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by treefeller

cool,look forward to it.

hows work you end ?

TreeDimensional · 13th January 2009, 10:35 AM

Sorry to butt in, but given ALL the standards you have in the UK, I find it hard to believe there isn't a pruning standard! The numbers you are talking about in the first post seem drastic for a pruning. Secondly you haven't answered the question about if the tree was previously pollarded! OR offered any more pictures.

There is a private message area to visit on!

newguy18 · 13th January 2009, 11:16 AM

i wasn't asking if it was pollarded,i was asking if he was pollarding.He already stated that he is reducing the entire tree by 1/3 of the canopy,while it is a bit much,it is still excepted as okay,so as long as the tree is reduced back to nodes at least 1/3 of the diameter of the original stem.While i would like to see more pics,mainly before and after pics,he seems to be keen on whats going on.

Garry Brockley · 13th January 2009, 02:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TreeDimensional

Sorry to butt in, but given ALL the standards you have in the UK, I find it hard to believe there isn't a pruning standard! The numbers you are talking about in the first post seem drastic for a pruning. Secondly you haven't answered the question about if the tree was previously pollarded! OR offered any more pictures.

There is a private message area to visit on!

Yes there is it comes under the training classification of CS 40 pruning operations but this is a general guide, Gav put some pics up as soon as you can and we will be able to help you.

TreeDimensional · 13th January 2009, 03:04 PM

Sorry for being curt, BAD day! So is the CS 40 a public document or does it have to be purchased?

In Western Canada we mostly have adopted the American ANSI A300 pruning standards. Not perfect for the species of tree and climate, but at least it is a good guide for pruning. Credit should be given to organizations that input knowledge and expertize in National standards, it is a lot of work for next to no reward!

My math skills are not great, but from the specs that Gavin posted, that appears to be removing MORE of the live crown than we could expect a tree to recover from, without initiating un-wanted epicormic growth! Sad when a tree with large growth potential is forced (through puning) to reside in limited space. Seems the trees always lose.

Just my 2 cents worth carry on!

Garry Brockley · 13th January 2009, 03:29 PM

We all have off days. There are some standards out there but they are not enforced or properly understood by the councils and local auths, what he is wanting to do is the maximum amount suggested but i would say that if we had pictures by the time you have taken all of the dead, decayed and crossing out and reduced the tips we could probably do it to 10 to 15%. ive had tree officers tell me they want 30% reductions and i have talked them out of it as it is way to severe on most trees, it's all in the training and knowledge of the person carrying out the work and what the tree officer wants really, but at least he has come here and been clever enough to ask the question unlike alot of the tree butchers out there. gav get us some before and after pics

TreeDimensional · 13th January 2009, 03:44 PM

BTDT (Been There Done That) Did a couple Cost Share Elm pruning contracts, having town councilors and a suit critiquing every tree and cut! These contracts were cost split 50/50 between the towns and the Provincial Gov't. talk about a lot of bosses, everyone is an expert, even if they had never removed a limb off a tree. Then to have a Gov't suit show up to audit the work, with a whole 3 day pruning workshop under his belt, well you know how that goes!

I agree with Galbee, communication of why and what we did to a tree is a very important part of being an arborist. That's a great looking tree, I hope Gavin can keep the council and the tree happy.

9th January 2009, 07:14 AM	#1
gavin160 Sappling Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: west sussex Posts: 42	crown reduction come on then guys have got this nice big job coming up , 2m complete crown reduction on a nice big holm oak. i am crapping my self that its going to look bald when done normaly wouldnt bother me but its in the middle of a town centre ahhhhhh inow people are going to bad mouth my work when finished. what do you guys think of recovery time ? to make matters worse i now im going to get a visit from the local arb officer. oh arse i was never going to win in the first place Gav Attached Thumbnails Last edited by gavin160; 9th January 2009 at 08:26 AM.

9th January 2009, 07:16 AM	#2
newguy18 Part of the Furniture Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: orlando,fl Posts: 4,948	Re: crown reduction pics? __________________ Have your say join us today. old schooler

9th January 2009, 08:23 AM	#3
Garry Brockley Bayside Tree Care Brisbane Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Brisbane Aus Posts: 1,641	Re: crown reduction Gav get some pics of the tree up and we might be able to give you some ideas and dont fret over the tree officer they are under qualified for the job generally and dont know their arse from thier elbow. __________________ My business:- Brisbane Bayside Tree Care

9th January 2009, 09:01 AM	#5
newguy18 Part of the Furniture Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: orlando,fl Posts: 4,948	Re: crown reduction Are you pruning back to nodes or is this in effect topping or pollarding? __________________ Have your say join us today. old schooler

9th January 2009, 05:38 PM	#7
Garry Brockley Bayside Tree Care Brisbane Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Brisbane Aus Posts: 1,641	Re: crown reduction we need a picture of the tree from several angles to help.im currently in lincoln but will be in aus as of 10days in the picture are you cutting back below the fork below or leaving it as is and are you doing that all over the tree?? __________________ My business:- Brisbane Bayside Tree Care

9th January 2009, 05:51 PM	#9
Garry Brockley Bayside Tree Care Brisbane Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Brisbane Aus Posts: 1,641	Re: crown reduction do you have microsoft paint? if so open in that click on image and resize to 35% that will do it. I am trying to establish how you work ie are you topping, rounding over or reducing to growth points that are 1/3 of the branch. __________________ My business:- Brisbane Bayside Tree Care

10th January 2009, 03:02 AM	#12
newguy18 Part of the Furniture Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: orlando,fl Posts: 4,948	Re: crown reduction If your making the cuts back to growth points that are at least 1/3 of the size of what your removing ,then its okay. __________________ Have your say join us today. old schooler

10th January 2009, 03:45 AM	#13
bobdoesit Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: England (North West) Posts: 105	Re: crown reduction Hey Gav. I had the same problem trying to upload pics. I was told to use Picture Gridle and that works a treat mate. You then have 2 copies of the pics original size and the resized ones to post have fun. And hey climb safe out there. Rob.

10th January 2009, 03:50 AM	#14
bobdoesit Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: England (North West) Posts: 105	Re: crown reduction Hey Galbee. You luky sod off to Aus. How long for. I am off to N Z on 5th Feb for a month. Gonna do a lot of traveling to camper hire that sort of thing. Only thing am jealous of is you,ll be on holiday befor me mate, have a good one. Rob.

10th January 2009, 10:24 AM	#16
Garry Brockley Bayside Tree Care Brisbane Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Brisbane Aus Posts: 1,641	Re: crown reduction For good mate!!! __________________ My business:- Brisbane Bayside Tree Care

12th January 2009, 07:29 AM	#18
newguy18 Part of the Furniture Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: orlando,fl Posts: 4,948	Re: crown reduction Does England suck that bad that all of you want to leave? __________________ Have your say join us today. old schooler

12th January 2009, 08:42 AM	#19
treefeller Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: aaa Posts: 224	Re: crown reduction The reduction should be third of the size of the crown maintaining us much of the shape as possible. their is nothing worse than a tree being reduced and the top being flat. i also try to keep as much of the foliage on as possible. Galbee you gonna visit Ekka.

13th January 2009, 10:35 AM	#25
TreeDimensional Mature Tree Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Canada Posts: 421	Re: crown reduction Sorry to butt in, but given ALL the standards you have in the UK, I find it hard to believe there isn't a pruning standard! The numbers you are talking about in the first post seem drastic for a pruning. Secondly you haven't answered the question about if the tree was previously pollarded! OR offered any more pictures. There is a private message area to visit on! Last edited by TreeDimensional; 13th January 2009 at 10:37 AM. Reason: Sp

13th January 2009, 11:16 AM	#26
newguy18 Part of the Furniture Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: orlando,fl Posts: 4,948	Re: crown reduction i wasn't asking if it was pollarded,i was asking if he was pollarding.He already stated that he is reducing the entire tree by 1/3 of the canopy,while it is a bit much,it is still excepted as okay,so as long as the tree is reduced back to nodes at least 1/3 of the diameter of the original stem.While i would like to see more pics,mainly before and after pics,he seems to be keen on whats going on. __________________ Have your say join us today. old schooler

13th January 2009, 03:04 PM	#28
TreeDimensional Mature Tree Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Canada Posts: 421	Re: crown reduction Sorry for being curt, BAD day! So is the CS 40 a public document or does it have to be purchased? In Western Canada we mostly have adopted the American ANSI A300 pruning standards. Not perfect for the species of tree and climate, but at least it is a good guide for pruning. Credit should be given to organizations that input knowledge and expertize in National standards, it is a lot of work for next to no reward! My math skills are not great, but from the specs that Gavin posted, that appears to be removing MORE of the live crown than we could expect a tree to recover from, without initiating un-wanted epicormic growth! Sad when a tree with large growth potential is forced (through puning) to reside in limited space. Seems the trees always lose. Just my 2 cents worth carry on!

13th January 2009, 03:29 PM	#29
Garry Brockley Bayside Tree Care Brisbane Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Brisbane Aus Posts: 1,641	Re: crown reduction We all have off days. There are some standards out there but they are not enforced or properly understood by the councils and local auths, what he is wanting to do is the maximum amount suggested but i would say that if we had pictures by the time you have taken all of the dead, decayed and crossing out and reduced the tips we could probably do it to 10 to 15%. ive had tree officers tell me they want 30% reductions and i have talked them out of it as it is way to severe on most trees, it's all in the training and knowledge of the person carrying out the work and what the tree officer wants really, but at least he has come here and been clever enough to ask the question unlike alot of the tree butchers out there. gav get us some before and after pics __________________ My business:- Brisbane Bayside Tree Care

13th January 2009, 03:44 PM	#30
TreeDimensional Mature Tree Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Canada Posts: 421	Re: crown reduction BTDT (Been There Done That) Did a couple Cost Share Elm pruning contracts, having town councilors and a suit critiquing every tree and cut! These contracts were cost split 50/50 between the towns and the Provincial Gov't. talk about a lot of bosses, everyone is an expert, even if they had never removed a limb off a tree. Then to have a Gov't suit show up to audit the work, with a whole 3 day pruning workshop under his belt, well you know how that goes! I agree with Galbee, communication of why and what we did to a tree is a very important part of being an arborist. That's a great looking tree, I hope Gavin can keep the council and the tree happy.

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