Cathedral Square Brisbane Case Study

Ekka · 6th September 2007, 01:45 AM

12 months to the day I have been watching this site.

A year ago whilst driving through through town I spotted this eye sore and had to investigate.

Cut a long story short, Council gave an explanation of "experimental" to this site, and little else.

No story published, no sign erected to deter residents from copying a violated pruning standard of the time.

So, there's some before shots and after shots to see how the trees are going.

I'll present the shots as taken September 2006

Ekka · 6th September 2007, 01:53 AM

These pics were taken yesterday, exactly 12 months almost to the hour later.

Pay particular attention to the cracked and lifted bark along the branches.

Also this thread has a powerpoint presentation for topping trees and it's ramifications, pay close attention to point 3 in the presentation and post 2 in the thread. http://www.treeworld.info/f9/anti-to...aign-1030.html

JohN Dee · 6th September 2007, 04:18 AM

Jeez, poor thing, go there in the middle of the night with your 066 and your stumper, Ekka, and put it out of it's misery.

Speaking of which, I went to an Indonesians place today to quote a huge stump from a tree he cut down... 3 topped tree's all tear cuts (Wonder who did it? Hmmm) done over 6 months ago, 1 of them is on the council strip too old Ironbark... Not to mention he had an 11 metre tree where he had cut the roots off 230* around the base... Council will be getting a call on monday

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Ekka · 6th September 2007, 04:20 AM

How did they cut roots all round it?

JohN Dee · 6th September 2007, 02:58 PM

Looks like it was done by a Machette, the trench goes about a metre down....

treeseer · 7th September 2007, 03:18 PM

nice job Eric, showing the poor response in the year since, and the bark damage due to sunscald at the base of the good branches and starvation below the big cuts.

Yeah I remember the "experimental" story, but forgot the condition of the tree before the work. Hebicide? If it was bad that would tend to give them more of an out.

With all the new wounds tho it seems the tree will be declared a removal, mainly due to poor pruning. /who did it,the head of the isaac or the qaa? no isa company here in the usa would want their stamp on that work, no matter how bad of the tree was before.

Speaking of Missouri, I'll be speaking at their chapter conference next march. I'll be referring to the anti-topping campaign, and inserting a pro-heading cut after storm damage message. It favors ENDOcormic growth, from suppressed buds, much better than epicormic growth from adventitious buds.

Ekka · 7th September 2007, 03:29 PM

LOL

You are getting cheeky Treeseer!

No, the council did it themselves and had numerous people advise them from chemical sellers to consultant arborists. This is unofficial info just what I found out asking around.

From this thread Anti Topping Campaign

I enclose screen shot of point 3 in ppt file.

treeseer · 7th September 2007, 03:35 PM

so the herbicide story was bs?

o and what was cheeky?

Council will have that eyesore gone before 2011 no doubt, to avoid embarassing questions from yank arbos.

Ekka · 7th September 2007, 03:52 PM

No the herbicide is true, however from visiting stores that sell herbicides etc they were asked to go look and see if they can help etc.

Cheeky?

Quote:

/who did it,the head of the isaac or the qaa?

I dont like that tree there, I see too many public billboards for topping in this city, and a lack of communication with the public or signage about it.

treeseer · 7th September 2007, 04:19 PM

ok then the herbicide story is true (still the council's responsibility right?). If that left lead was dying back severely then that might explain the chop job and rapid dieback there.

Still in all you are right; that kind of topping does not fit any restoration pruning scenario I can imagine. Do you reckon it'll be mulched before another year goes by?

Ekka · 7th September 2007, 08:30 PM

It's struggling to only have fired up some small shoots.

It will break apart eventually, they wont be able to leave in.

I think they'll give up, perhaps 2 years, need a honking part of it to fall off.

No reversing herbicide damage, you can try to flush it out but by the time you see the symptoms it's too late.

To me it's an opportunity in a real nice spot to do something better, the spot is occupied by that thing.

treeseer · 8th September 2007, 07:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ekka

I think they'll give up, perhaps 2 years, need a honking part of it to fall off..

Hahaha, same here; action is deferred as long as possible.
a dented car is typically the catalyst for action.

jungles · 17th September 2007, 10:54 PM

Watching the last nights channel 7 news with Taletha Cummins (sp?) doing the weather, and what was beeing used as a background image? Ekka's fav example of topping!!

Ekka · 18th September 2007, 02:30 AM

You got to be kidding me, and they didn't even realize anything was wrong I bet!

6th September 2007, 04:18 AM	#3 (permalink)
JohN Dee Over mature heritage tree Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 728	Re: Cathedral Square Brisbane Case Study Jeez, poor thing, go there in the middle of the night with your 066 and your stumper, Ekka, and put it out of it's misery. Speaking of which, I went to an Indonesians place today to quote a huge stump from a tree he cut down... 3 topped tree's all tear cuts (Wonder who did it? Hmmm) done over 6 months ago, 1 of them is on the council strip too old Ironbark... Not to mention he had an 11 metre tree where he had cut the roots off 230* around the base... Council will be getting a call on monday . __________________ Climber with slow climbing speed, must make up with mighty chainsaw roar. Free Tree and Green Industry Link Directory Red : Green : Blue

6th September 2007, 04:20 AM	#4 (permalink)
Ekka Eric Frei Administrator - Brisbane L5 (Dip) Hort Cert III Arb + some Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 6,869	Re: Cathedral Square Brisbane Case Study How did they cut roots all round it? __________________ Remember to use the "search" function, if you have answers/questions post them so everyone can benefit. Free Tree and Green Industry Link Directory Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping Brisbane Tree Care, Consultations and Arborist Reports Forum Sponsors

6th September 2007, 02:58 PM	#5 (permalink)
JohN Dee Over mature heritage tree Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 728	Re: Cathedral Square Brisbane Case Study Looks like it was done by a Machette, the trench goes about a metre down.... __________________ Climber with slow climbing speed, must make up with mighty chainsaw roar. Free Tree and Green Industry Link Directory Red : Green : Blue

7th September 2007, 03:18 PM	#6 (permalink)
treeseer Over mature heritage tree Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: SE USA Posts: 527	Re: Cathedral Square Brisbane Case Study nice job Eric, showing the poor response in the year since, and the bark damage due to sunscald at the base of the good branches and starvation below the big cuts. Yeah I remember the "experimental" story, but forgot the condition of the tree before the work. Hebicide? If it was bad that would tend to give them more of an out. With all the new wounds tho it seems the tree will be declared a removal, mainly due to poor pruning. /who did it,the head of the isaac or the qaa? no isa company here in the usa would want their stamp on that work, no matter how bad of the tree was before. Speaking of Missouri, I'll be speaking at their chapter conference next march. I'll be referring to the anti-topping campaign, and inserting a pro-heading cut after storm damage message. It favors ENDOcormic growth, from suppressed buds, much better than epicormic growth from adventitious buds. __________________ Guy Meilleur \| Forensic Arborist \| Better Tree Care

7th September 2007, 03:35 PM	#8 (permalink)
treeseer Over mature heritage tree Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: SE USA Posts: 527	Re: Cathedral Square Brisbane Case Study so the herbicide story was bs? o and what was cheeky? Council will have that eyesore gone before 2011 no doubt, to avoid embarassing questions from yank arbos. __________________ Guy Meilleur \| Forensic Arborist \| Better Tree Care

7th September 2007, 04:19 PM	#10 (permalink)
treeseer Over mature heritage tree Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: SE USA Posts: 527	Re: Cathedral Square Brisbane Case Study ok then the herbicide story is true (still the council's responsibility right?). If that left lead was dying back severely then that might explain the chop job and rapid dieback there. Still in all you are right; that kind of topping does not fit any restoration pruning scenario I can imagine. Do you reckon it'll be mulched before another year goes by? __________________ Guy Meilleur \| Forensic Arborist \| Better Tree Care

7th September 2007, 08:30 PM	#11 (permalink)
Ekka Eric Frei Administrator - Brisbane L5 (Dip) Hort Cert III Arb + some Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 6,869	Re: Cathedral Square Brisbane Case Study It's struggling to only have fired up some small shoots. It will break apart eventually, they wont be able to leave in. I think they'll give up, perhaps 2 years, need a honking part of it to fall off. No reversing herbicide damage, you can try to flush it out but by the time you see the symptoms it's too late. To me it's an opportunity in a real nice spot to do something better, the spot is occupied by that thing. __________________ Remember to use the "search" function, if you have answers/questions post them so everyone can benefit. Free Tree and Green Industry Link Directory Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping Brisbane Tree Care, Consultations and Arborist Reports Forum Sponsors

17th September 2007, 10:54 PM	#13 (permalink)
jungles Sappling Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Kallangur Posts: 6	Re: Cathedral Square Brisbane Case Study Watching the last nights channel 7 news with Taletha Cummins (sp?) doing the weather, and what was beeing used as a background image? Ekka's fav example of topping!!

18th September 2007, 02:30 AM	#14 (permalink)
Ekka Eric Frei Administrator - Brisbane L5 (Dip) Hort Cert III Arb + some Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 6,869	Re: Cathedral Square Brisbane Case Study You got to be kidding me, and they didn't even realize anything was wrong I bet! __________________ Remember to use the "search" function, if you have answers/questions post them so everyone can benefit. Free Tree and Green Industry Link Directory Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping Brisbane Tree Care, Consultations and Arborist Reports Forum Sponsors

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