Cannon's dead tree challenge

(WLL) · 27th March 2009, 12:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by newguy18

easy enough to climb and wreck out if there is no other way.The tree in the first post can be safely climbed,however if there were any indication of root rot,i'd guy it to the ground before wrecking it out,to prevent uprooting.

WTF is wreck out? some sort of dance? the tree in question is a dead birch, and should never be trusted! dont under estamate the small stuff, they can kill just like the big'uns. i like the idea of using an extendable power pruner from off the roof. cut e'm small and let it fall. cover the shed and any windows with some plywood if needed.
hay Newguy, how long have you been working in the treez?

newguy18 · 28th March 2009, 01:11 AM

Wreck out is a term i picked up from Gerald Beranek which means to cut a tree down in sections.Dead birch,while very nasty can be climbed,i've safely climbed some of the most dangerous trees in my area,trees that a climber of 30 years was afraid to touch,stuff not even the bucket jockeys wanted.I still say that tree could be guyed to the ground,then removed by a GOOD climber.

treejames64 · 28th March 2009, 08:59 AM

I agree Bill, This is pretty common in this area. I did a pine awile back that I had to tie ropes every 20 ft or so to steady it up and than worked the top out on ropes.... The trick is small pieces... A very experienced rope runner...and don't get in a hurry. The trick with dynamic ropes (metioned above) makes the job a lot safer. I got with an old mountain climber who helped me with having to climb above your tie in point on this narly, rotton wood.... I am always trying to learn better ways. I wear hardhats and also sometimes use a device called a zipper to lesson the impact more if a top should go on me. So far I haven't busted one off. Most climbers make the mistake of being scared to go high enough and butt catch too large a piece which is much more dangerous due to the shock load. Either that or they throw a large top and smash up everything on the ground. Usually these trees are surviving a lot of wind storms etc. With the added guide ropes this makes the stubs pretty secure. However, There's nothing like experience to know the flex of a rotton tree...

newguy18 · 28th March 2009, 09:22 AM

Yeah,i've had my share of nasty removals,i removed a pine tree near lake city last year that had been dead for 10 years,guyed it,set ratchet straps to prevent the trunk from splitting and took sections no bigger than 12-18".I was afraid to even use a snap cut.I frequently work above my high point,its nessecary to be able to do in this industry.

kieren · 30th March 2009, 10:11 PM

Funny how some people run from these jobs and some run to them, I am the latter of them. As long as you limit shock loading you can climb to where the branches start and slash them off there is a good drop zone below(bigger than most i seem to get) climbing smooth is the trick and keep you weight evenly distributed

treejames64 · 13th April 2009, 01:13 PM

I always find the second rate climbers saying it's too dangerous. I once had a guy that is now a top climber (sean Combs) that wouldn't go out on a limb because he said it would break. So I foot locked up his tail rope walked out on the limb and jumped up and down on it. He's up in Wisconsin somewhere now but he calls once in awile and we laugh about stuff like this. Fear should keep you cautious but if you let it rule you you'll always find an excuse.

newguy18 · 13th April 2009, 01:46 PM

Too true.

aprentree · 6th May 2009, 10:11 PM

If i was in your shoes id probably get a mewp as close to it as you can and take it off in peices. But im not sure if that is the best way either seeming as im still learning at college

28th March 2009, 01:11 AM	#32
newguy18 Part of the Furniture Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: orlando,fl Posts: 5,238	Re: Cannon's dead tree challenge Wreck out is a term i picked up from Gerald Beranek which means to cut a tree down in sections.Dead birch,while very nasty can be climbed,i've safely climbed some of the most dangerous trees in my area,trees that a climber of 30 years was afraid to touch,stuff not even the bucket jockeys wanted.I still say that tree could be guyed to the ground,then removed by a GOOD climber. __________________ Have your say join us today. I ship USA saws out of the USA old schooler

28th March 2009, 08:59 AM	#33
treejames64 Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Gainesville, fl Posts: 105	Re: Cannon's dead tree challenge I agree Bill, This is pretty common in this area. I did a pine awile back that I had to tie ropes every 20 ft or so to steady it up and than worked the top out on ropes.... The trick is small pieces... A very experienced rope runner...and don't get in a hurry. The trick with dynamic ropes (metioned above) makes the job a lot safer. I got with an old mountain climber who helped me with having to climb above your tie in point on this narly, rotton wood.... I am always trying to learn better ways. I wear hardhats and also sometimes use a device called a zipper to lesson the impact more if a top should go on me. So far I haven't busted one off. Most climbers make the mistake of being scared to go high enough and butt catch too large a piece which is much more dangerous due to the shock load. Either that or they throw a large top and smash up everything on the ground. Usually these trees are surviving a lot of wind storms etc. With the added guide ropes this makes the stubs pretty secure. However, There's nothing like experience to know the flex of a rotton tree...

28th March 2009, 09:22 AM	#34
newguy18 Part of the Furniture Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: orlando,fl Posts: 5,238	Re: Cannon's dead tree challenge Yeah,i've had my share of nasty removals,i removed a pine tree near lake city last year that had been dead for 10 years,guyed it,set ratchet straps to prevent the trunk from splitting and took sections no bigger than 12-18".I was afraid to even use a snap cut.I frequently work above my high point,its nessecary to be able to do in this industry. __________________ Have your say join us today. I ship USA saws out of the USA old schooler

30th March 2009, 10:11 PM	#35
kieren Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Adelaide Posts: 110	Re: Cannon's dead tree challenge Funny how some people run from these jobs and some run to them, I am the latter of them. As long as you limit shock loading you can climb to where the branches start and slash them off there is a good drop zone below(bigger than most i seem to get) climbing smooth is the trick and keep you weight evenly distributed

13th April 2009, 01:13 PM	#36
treejames64 Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Gainesville, fl Posts: 105	Re: Cannon's dead tree challenge I always find the second rate climbers saying it's too dangerous. I once had a guy that is now a top climber (sean Combs) that wouldn't go out on a limb because he said it would break. So I foot locked up his tail rope walked out on the limb and jumped up and down on it. He's up in Wisconsin somewhere now but he calls once in awile and we laugh about stuff like this. Fear should keep you cautious but if you let it rule you you'll always find an excuse.

13th April 2009, 01:46 PM	#37
newguy18 Part of the Furniture Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: orlando,fl Posts: 5,238	Re: Cannon's dead tree challenge Too true. __________________ Have your say join us today. I ship USA saws out of the USA old schooler

6th May 2009, 10:11 PM	#38
aprentree I'm new here so be nice Join Date: May 2009 Location: norfolk Posts: 3	Re: Cannon's dead tree challenge If i was in your shoes id probably get a mewp as close to it as you can and take it off in peices. But im not sure if that is the best way either seeming as im still learning at college

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