Buckingham Master Classic

dannyboysfc · 21st September 2008, 01:46 PM

Ok, so here's my delima, I recently got a new saddle. You can probably tell by the title of this thread that it is the Master classic.

Well Im used to climbing in a sliding D saddle and getting used to this one is kinda frustrating me.

Solution, can any of you fellow climbers think of a safe way to add a suspension bridge on this saddle?

Jeff Darby · 21st September 2008, 02:30 PM

You could use a fixed lenght of climbing rope tied off to each "D" using single fishermans to tie off with similier to the tree motions bridge,and use a biner to clip on the bridge,you would have the best of both worlds.
Maybe some else can elaborate further.

TrevMcRev · 21st September 2008, 04:03 PM

That might help, sort of. But pull might get a little weird when suspended by the "bridge" at the same time as using "D's" with a flipline.

Have a look below at how petzl developed a kit that transforms a similar style, leg loop/fixed single main attachment harness:

Notice the side straps that tie the leg loops into the whole suspension point.
Thats what you'd be missing. It makes it more like a petzl sequoia.

The Buckingham Traverse is a great all round harness that would have the features you like, except a "seat" instead of "leg loops"

You've got what you've got now. Tread carefully if you're going to start modifying harnesses though

Eric Frei · 21st September 2008, 04:28 PM

Sell it and buy a sliding D one.

newguy18 · 21st September 2008, 04:31 PM

i can't really say anything as i'm not fond of the slidin dee's.I have a weaver 4 dee[pos]and a petzl navaho sit.

dannyboysfc · 21st September 2008, 04:39 PM

JayD, I don't really want to use the side D's as part of the suspension bridge because it'd probably be a bit uncomortable and I like to keep those for the flip line.

Trev, I do want something more simular to what that Petzl kit is. However the Master classic has multiple attachment points that could be used, I just need some help trying to find the best way to go about this.

Check out the pic the green blobs are attachment points and the green line would represent the suspension bridge, but what would be the best material to use as the bridge and what would be the best way to attatch it to the loops that are there?

Jeff Darby · 21st September 2008, 04:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ekka

Sell it and buy a sliding D one.

When you really think about it,cut your losses and buy a new one.

dannyboysfc · 21st September 2008, 04:42 PM

Its not so much buying a new one that is the problem, the company I work for bought this one for me. I would have to convince them to buy me another saddle.

TrevMcRev · 21st September 2008, 04:53 PM

Sell it, put that towards a new one and offer to pay the difference yourself???

Or is there anyone else at work that wouldn't mind it as is?

MTS247 · 21st September 2008, 07:00 PM

2X10mm prussik cord with fisherman knot on to the D's, to turn a fixed D harness into sliding D. Its worth a try.

Jeff Darby · 21st September 2008, 07:04 PM

I'll have to say near on a ...Echoe..echoe..........echoe...LOL.

OutofMytree · 22nd September 2008, 04:45 AM

If one of my guys came to me with this problem my PERSONAL opinion would be to trade this saddle for one that my employee could work with. Now thats just my opinion. If you feel YOUR employer may take a "work with the tool you have" point of view, then take it upon yourself to find out the difference between what you have and what you want. And then pay it. Then look for another job.

Our job is dangerous. I love climbing and it seems most in this forum do too. But it is still, in Australia anyway, the second most dangerous profession to work in. You need your mind on the job, not on the tools.

I am with Trev on significant modifications to climbing equipment. There is a thread in this forum somewhere which links to a US investigation into a climbing fatality. It was found that a poor modification was a significant factor in the climbers death. When you consider how much time and effort we put into tying correct knots, ensuring gates are closed, karabiners are locked and spurs cinched tight it makes little sense to compromise personal safety by modifying a harness into something it was not designed to be.

On a personal note, I have climbed on a Buckingham Traverse for the last two years. If you are looking for a recommendation I can offer you mine. For the greatest part of this time I have been the only climber and the also done much of the grunt work on the ground. I cannot see how any harness without a "seat" would allow me to spend 6-8 hours in a tree and then hump logs and branches. Whichever way you swing, good luck.

dannyboysfc · 22nd September 2008, 02:53 PM

Thank you all for your input, I agree that a different saddle would be Ideal.

I still think that this one could incorporate a removeable/replaceable suspension bridge being that there are already attatchment points that could be used(not the side Ds, very simular to the Butterfly, Glide, Petzl Sequia, and Tree Motion.

dannyboysfc · 25th September 2008, 12:11 PM

Well lets have it, what do you guys think of this? I used a spliced split tail and girth hitched it to one of the soft attatchment points and put a bowline to the other attatchment point. I used the micro pulley instead of just clipping in the biners to reduce wear on the rope and cause its smooooth.

Definately has the desired effect.

newguy18 · 25th September 2008, 12:20 PM

Well,since the soft loops are rated for climbing,and the rope and all componets are i guess its alright.

Jeff Darby · 25th September 2008, 12:59 PM

Document all components for their rated strenght,how you have used proper knots and inspection dates and intervals for preventable maintenance with your harness.It will show to authorities you have tried to go about this the right way and file them for future refererance.
JayD

TrevMcRev · 25th September 2008, 01:07 PM

You could also use one of these on your bridge:

If ya want

dannyboysfc · 25th September 2008, 01:14 PM

Yeah, definately agree about the pulley, I never had a use for one of those type so for now I'll just use what I have.

21st September 2008, 01:46 PM	#1
dannyboysfc Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: California Posts: 181	Buckingham Master Classic Ok, so here's my delima, I recently got a new saddle. You can probably tell by the title of this thread that it is the Master classic. Well Im used to climbing in a sliding D saddle and getting used to this one is kinda frustrating me. Solution, can any of you fellow climbers think of a safe way to add a suspension bridge on this saddle?

21st September 2008, 02:30 PM	#2
Jeff Darby Moderator - Previously known as JayD Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: TreeWorld, Sydney Australia Posts: 2,059	Re: Buckingham Master Classic You could use a fixed lenght of climbing rope tied off to each "D" using single fishermans to tie off with similier to the tree motions bridge,and use a biner to clip on the bridge,you would have the best of both worlds. Maybe some else can elaborate further. __________________ Member: Australian Tree Association Join the Australian Tree Association...Have your voice heard ! Arboriculture, A life long study for some, a passing phase for others © Jeffrey J Darby 2011 Last edited by Jeff Darby; 21st September 2008 at 03:13 PM.

21st September 2008, 04:03 PM	#3
TrevMcRev Mature Tree Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Melbourne, Victoria, Australia. Posts: 1,594	Re: Buckingham Master Classic That might help, sort of. But pull might get a little weird when suspended by the "bridge" at the same time as using "D's" with a flipline. Have a look below at how petzl developed a kit that transforms a similar style, leg loop/fixed single main attachment harness: Notice the side straps that tie the leg loops into the whole suspension point. Thats what you'd be missing. It makes it more like a petzl sequoia. The Buckingham Traverse is a great all round harness that would have the features you like, except a "seat" instead of "leg loops" You've got what you've got now. Tread carefully if you're going to start modifying harnesses though Attached Thumbnails

21st September 2008, 04:28 PM	#4
Eric Frei Admin - Owner Palm & Tree Services in Brisbane Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 12,994	Re: Buckingham Master Classic Sell it and buy a sliding D one. __________________ Protect your rights to work - Join Australian Tree Association My businesses:- Qualified Brisbane Palm and Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding Brisbane \| Brisbane - Gold Coast Consulting Arborist

21st September 2008, 04:31 PM	#5
newguy18 Part of the Furniture Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: orlando,fl Posts: 4,948	Re: Buckingham Master Classic i can't really say anything as i'm not fond of the slidin dee's.I have a weaver 4 dee[pos]and a petzl navaho sit. __________________ Have your say join us today. old schooler

21st September 2008, 04:39 PM	#6
dannyboysfc Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: California Posts: 181	Re: Buckingham Master Classic JayD, I don't really want to use the side D's as part of the suspension bridge because it'd probably be a bit uncomortable and I like to keep those for the flip line. Trev, I do want something more simular to what that Petzl kit is. However the Master classic has multiple attachment points that could be used, I just need some help trying to find the best way to go about this. Check out the pic the green blobs are attachment points and the green line would represent the suspension bridge, but what would be the best material to use as the bridge and what would be the best way to attatch it to the loops that are there?

21st September 2008, 04:42 PM	#8
dannyboysfc Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: California Posts: 181	Re: Buckingham Master Classic Its not so much buying a new one that is the problem, the company I work for bought this one for me. I would have to convince them to buy me another saddle.

21st September 2008, 04:53 PM	#9
TrevMcRev Mature Tree Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Melbourne, Victoria, Australia. Posts: 1,594	Re: Buckingham Master Classic Sell it, put that towards a new one and offer to pay the difference yourself??? Or is there anyone else at work that wouldn't mind it as is?

21st September 2008, 07:00 PM	#10
MTS247 Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Australia Posts: 218	Re: Buckingham Master Classic 2X10mm prussik cord with fisherman knot on to the D's, to turn a fixed D harness into sliding D. Its worth a try.

21st September 2008, 07:04 PM	#11
Jeff Darby Moderator - Previously known as JayD Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: TreeWorld, Sydney Australia Posts: 2,059	Re: Buckingham Master Classic I'll have to say near on a ...Echoe..echoe..........echoe...LOL. __________________ Member: Australian Tree Association Join the Australian Tree Association...Have your voice heard ! Arboriculture, A life long study for some, a passing phase for others © Jeffrey J Darby 2011

22nd September 2008, 04:45 AM	#12
OutofMytree Former Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Perth Posts: 307	Re: Buckingham Master Classic If one of my guys came to me with this problem my PERSONAL opinion would be to trade this saddle for one that my employee could work with. Now thats just my opinion. If you feel YOUR employer may take a "work with the tool you have" point of view, then take it upon yourself to find out the difference between what you have and what you want. And then pay it. Then look for another job. Our job is dangerous. I love climbing and it seems most in this forum do too. But it is still, in Australia anyway, the second most dangerous profession to work in. You need your mind on the job, not on the tools. I am with Trev on significant modifications to climbing equipment. There is a thread in this forum somewhere which links to a US investigation into a climbing fatality. It was found that a poor modification was a significant factor in the climbers death. When you consider how much time and effort we put into tying correct knots, ensuring gates are closed, karabiners are locked and spurs cinched tight it makes little sense to compromise personal safety by modifying a harness into something it was not designed to be. On a personal note, I have climbed on a Buckingham Traverse for the last two years. If you are looking for a recommendation I can offer you mine. For the greatest part of this time I have been the only climber and the also done much of the grunt work on the ground. I cannot see how any harness without a "seat" would allow me to spend 6-8 hours in a tree and then hump logs and branches. Whichever way you swing, good luck.

22nd September 2008, 02:53 PM	#13
dannyboysfc Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: California Posts: 181	Re: Buckingham Master Classic Thank you all for your input, I agree that a different saddle would be Ideal. I still think that this one could incorporate a removeable/replaceable suspension bridge being that there are already attatchment points that could be used(not the side Ds, very simular to the Butterfly, Glide, Petzl Sequia, and Tree Motion.

25th September 2008, 12:11 PM	#14
dannyboysfc Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: California Posts: 181	Re: Buckingham Master Classic Well lets have it, what do you guys think of this? I used a spliced split tail and girth hitched it to one of the soft attatchment points and put a bowline to the other attatchment point. I used the micro pulley instead of just clipping in the biners to reduce wear on the rope and cause its smooooth. Definately has the desired effect.

25th September 2008, 12:20 PM	#15
newguy18 Part of the Furniture Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: orlando,fl Posts: 4,948	Re: Buckingham Master Classic Well,since the soft loops are rated for climbing,and the rope and all componets are i guess its alright. __________________ Have your say join us today. old schooler

25th September 2008, 12:59 PM	#16
Jeff Darby Moderator - Previously known as JayD Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: TreeWorld, Sydney Australia Posts: 2,059	Re: Buckingham Master Classic Document all components for their rated strenght,how you have used proper knots and inspection dates and intervals for preventable maintenance with your harness.It will show to authorities you have tried to go about this the right way and file them for future refererance. JayD __________________ Member: Australian Tree Association Join the Australian Tree Association...Have your voice heard ! Arboriculture, A life long study for some, a passing phase for others © Jeffrey J Darby 2011

25th September 2008, 01:07 PM	#17
TrevMcRev Mature Tree Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Melbourne, Victoria, Australia. Posts: 1,594	Re: Buckingham Master Classic You could also use one of these on your bridge: If ya want Attached Thumbnails

25th September 2008, 01:14 PM	#18
dannyboysfc Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: California Posts: 181	Re: Buckingham Master Classic Yeah, definately agree about the pulley, I never had a use for one of those type so for now I'll just use what I have.

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