axmen

chadd

so who has seen this axmen show? it seems kinda goofy. i hope this is not what the rest of the world thinks of the canadian logging industry. (i know it's an american show) the lack of safety and workmanship is horrible. it's scary to think companies like this still exist. so many illegal practices

Garry Brockley

The biggest problem i can see with that is the fact that this bunch of red necks never get outside training therefore the same crap practices get passed on from one generation to the next.man the attitude they have is outrageous how they get their knuckles off the floor in the morning is amazing. they have no real safety systems in place, UK you work one trees length away from the next guy at all times, there is one central refuelling point so that you know when one person isn't seen refuelling they get checked on,i work with loggers over here and they laugh at that program, were not allowed to fell trees until we are trained in cs30-31 thats basic chainsaw and small tree felling, then you work closely with the experienced guys til you are deemed competent, i watched a tree worker drop 12 trees at once all in a line ish amazing to watch. I mean whats going on with the upsidedown gob (felling cut) is that how you guys are shown?

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Gunslinger

I see this everyday in the construction industry as well. Guys who've been trained by an old timer who says that "this is the way we always did things". These guys have missed out on the evolution of change. To them what was OK 25 years ago should still apply today. This is one of the reasons that continuing education and safety training is needed.

newguy18

Are you refering to the humboldt cut?

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chadd

if your are referring to the humbolt, it is mandatory unless other cuts are needed for safety purpose.
the lack of safety in the show is scary. when i went falling i had to go thru a 30 day course on how to cut down trees and proper techniques for danger trees, bucking and wind blown trees. after that i entered the industry and was put with different faller's continuously. the simplest safety concern i saw on the show was no high vis, no ear protection, metal hard hats, and no saw pants. these are some of the basics, even if i don't have a chain saw i need to be fully geared up.
i also noticed(and they bragged about) domino falling. in the clip you can see 3 tree's go over, the camera follows them down and as it pans back up a forth tree falls much later.

newguy18

Hi viz?what so if you get hurt or knocked out they can find you?What wrong with metal hard hats,as long as it meets the standards.Chainsaw pants i guess are kinda important on the ground,i won't use them while climbing as it would slow me down to much,when climbing i go as quickly as humanly possible.

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chadd

hi viz is so they can find you if u get hurt, or so u can see each other just in case you get to close and don't hear each other.
metal hard hats are illegal, the only hats that pass must be orange or red. no exceptions
as for climbing in saw pants, it's a big grey area. just depends on who ask, but mandatory on the ground. i learned from some old timers that speed is nothing without order. watching some of them casually wander thru a forest and put more wood down than anyone, or just climb calmly and not skip a beat passing everyone as they go. not to say what u do is bad, i do that from time to time to, but there is something to be said for experience and not a drop of wasted sweat or effort.

Garry Brockley

It's compulsory to wear chainsaw protection trousers over here and i wouldn't climb without them, once you start using them you quickly get used to them i climb steady not for speed but i get through the jobs as fast as the youngsters and have alot less accidents ( apart from the fence panel i sent a limb through today) very windy and wet. im big on health and safety i start with a tidy and organised site is a safe site and it goes from there.

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Urban Treecare NZ

I feel naked climbing without chainsaw pants these days. get very self conscious when you not climbing with them, even with a handsaw. The added weight is marginal and id rather have my legs than a bit more speed.

JohN Dee

Don't forget what drives majority of tv ratings guys - Drama. Yeah I know they're unsafe untrained mofos, but if they had guys like us running the show they would get NO ratings because we had no accidents and everything went smooth with our operation (no drama).

I like the show, really gives you a good perspective on the two different yet so close worlds of Arboriculture and Forestry.

Notice how Stump branch is the least one shown throughout the program? That's cuz he runs a much smoother operation than the rest.

P.S Them metal hard hats look like a POS. Do they have a harness in them or is it just the metal straight on your head? If it is the latter, then they sound uncomfortable and unprotected IMO.

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Garry Brockley

Very true about the viewing figures plus they hype it up make a crisis out of a drama, yeah the stump branch are the ones that are shown most able to overcome the range of breakdowns, but that swinging of the cable like fishing is the most frightening thing iv'e seen in years. it must be good viewing cos im talking about it to a bunch of guys around the world darn television.

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