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Old 6th August 2009, 08:36 AM   #1
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If was this character l would pull this off my site immediately for legal reasons.
Scroll down on the page till you see the opinions of SilvaShield and the wound response.

Why doesn’t he show the whole case study so we can all see?


http://www.treetec.net.au/elm-leaf-beetle-removal.php
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Old 6th August 2009, 08:17 PM   #2
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Ahem,

A few things I don't get, so please help me out here.

You are referring to this picture right?



If so, where is the origin of this picture and the rest of the text, like I want to see the whole story. Perhaps they peeled the bark off to have a look and the story is being purposefully misconstrued to make Bayer look bad.

Also, I looked at the label of Silvashield and cant believe why in the deep blue sky does the label only cover 3 species of trees if you do consider Pandanus a tree? And here's all these people treating Elms and Plane trees etc.

That means they're going off label, and up here some-one would dob you in and shit on you for that. You have to apply for some BS off label mumbo jumbo.


So, please explain things cleared, WTF this guys website is on about because here in Queensland there's not a lot og treatments and injecting going on for ornamentals. signs101:
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Old 6th August 2009, 08:37 PM   #3
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Ekka

They can go Off Label in Victoria as long as it does not exceed the maximum label rate, this is not a problem with tree injection.

This person is bagging Bayer and using their logo without permission, the claimed data looks dubious, l would like to see it all posted so we can judge.

Bayer invented and patented the imidacloprid molecule, l dont think they are the idiots that TreeTech makes them out to be.

It all sound very political to me, the flat earth brained "Ludites" are having their arses kicked in.
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Old 6th August 2009, 08:44 PM   #4
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I have been searching but I cannot find the document that has that picture anywhere. On the website it's referred to as
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Below is a part of a Bayer field study showing the extent of impact from a small drill hole after just 4 months. It is incorrectly labeled as 'nicely compartmentalized'
Any person with half a brain would link to the real document or have a copy for download, otherwise it's just asking for it!
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Old 6th August 2009, 09:48 PM   #5
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Ekka

I think it may be fabricated, it should be linked or have the whole document in PDF for download.
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Old 7th August 2009, 12:58 AM   #6
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Looks like the picture has already been cropped to remove the reference to silvashield

Isn't that interesting...
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Old 7th August 2009, 01:47 AM   #7
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Very interesting.

Just as well I got a copy of the page before alteration. It's called Google Cache and there's stuff all they can do about that!

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Old 7th August 2009, 06:45 AM   #8
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Sneaky barstuards,
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Old 7th August 2009, 07:39 AM   #9
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Ekka

I thought i saw a silvashield logo too but wasn't sure...there it is though.

Damn news travels fast on TreeWorld hey
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Old 7th August 2009, 07:56 AM   #10
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The whole situation down there is very political and it’s a bit of a club mentality typically Melbourne.
Treetech has aligned himself with the mob; you can see all the members on his website.
Local companies are reluctant to comment on the situation or get involved with the politics as they get a bagging from the club.
The club is made up of mainly amateurs who are ill informed and over opinionated and driven by pseudo science meshed in with green politics.
A lot of it is driven by their guru and biological zealot leader at DPI Frankston, this individual fears methods that are extremely effective and that are biologically safe such as tree injection etc.
It appears that tree injection is a perceived threat to roll over funding on the Tachnid Fly project, which is a parasite against the elm leaf beetle; it is not working even after many years.
It is rather contradictory when they or the club talks of biologically friendly options, it then goes on to promote soil injection and foliar sprays of Spinosad a known bee killer big time. Everybody knows that soil injection is environmentally damaging to the soil micro flora and fauna, there is plenty of info out there on this.
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Old 7th August 2009, 12:32 PM   #11
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Sounds to me like pumping the earth full of poisonous chemicals is worse than a micro wound to the tree trunk.

Surely the benefit of helping the tree outweighs the wound???

Can't be that bad because on that same website in the link they show steel cabling with big holes drilled right thru the trunk
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Old 7th August 2009, 11:54 PM   #12
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My comments in green, red is for people who piss me off.

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The whole situation down there is very political and it’s a bit of a club mentality typically Melbourne.
Treetech has aligned himself with the mob; you can see all the members on his website.
Local companies are reluctant to comment on the situation or get involved with the politics as they get a bagging from the club.
The club is made up of mainly amateurs who are ill informed and over opinionated and driven by pseudo science meshed in with green politics.

I'm not from down your way, what mob are you on about, like are they part of some organisation or just best chums?

A lot of it is driven by their guru and biological zealot leader at DPI Frankston, this individual fears methods that are extremely effective and that are biologically safe such as tree injection etc.
It appears that tree injection is a perceived threat to roll over funding on the Tachnid Fly project, which is a parasite against the elm leaf beetle; it is not working even after many years.
It is rather contradictory when they or the club talks of biologically friendly options, it then goes on to promote soil injection and foliar sprays of Spinosad a known bee killer big time. Everybody knows that soil injection is environmentally damaging to the soil micro flora and fauna, there is plenty of info out there on this.

It's important the story is out. Just love those coal face stories. Fact is that the website was changed within hours of this getting posted, means people watch this place ... that's good to know. In my experience many have tried all sorts of dirty campaigns and smears, often never ending and constant, just becomes a way of life. You dont find these experts and guru's in the public domain too often, way to risky for them.
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Old 25th August 2009, 09:33 PM   #13
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I just love it how the public send in stuff to me.

Don't ever be fooled to think (like Sir Mark Hartley) that no one is concerned etc.

We saw in this thread the website change quickly.

Now some-one has sent me a picture of a tree that was injected in 2005 with imidacloprid and cut down recently due to storms/wind. They cut right through the plug I see that's likely from a side winder injection system.

Now note the tree growth rings to validate time, 2005 is correct.

Note the condition of the drill area, the so called devastation and wounding to the tree .... pretty dang good.

To the anonymous sender,

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Old 26th August 2009, 07:40 AM   #14
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Good to see somebody down there knows how to tree inject.
It appears that Treetech fabricated the info on his website; any idiot can injure a tree by deliberately injecting phytotoxic substances like dimethoate or omethoate, but using that image and claiming it was SilvaShield is asking for trouble.
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I agree with arbormaniac, Its the trees problem why shoud the rest of the environment suffer, Injection seams to be a good way to localise the treatment.

I dont work for tree tek but i do have a sidwinder
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