Arborist title| when can you use it

Eric Frei

Cant change it sorry.

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dingo

I think the original question is interesting and depends on a case by case scenario. It's not right if you are deliberately misleading folks, claiming to be something that you know you are not.

Does becoming an arborist have big economic advantages as in it brings more lucrative work?
I wonder if some customers looking to have straightforward work carried out are under the impression that a certified arborist would be the MOST expensive option....and therefore skip even calling. If that type of work is your target market then you may have just shot yourself in the foot...

Joshua Rugg

not good at all to claim your certified if your not. in america you can loose any and all chances of becoming certified if you have been found guilty of falsely advertising your with the ISA. i am NOT a certified arborist and im honest about it. when contract climbing for someone, i tell them right off the bat that im not ISA certified. i still manage to make $40,000 a year though!

i answered no you shouldent be allowed to call your self an arborist. we use the title Garden & Tree Service! no one has bothered to ask if we are certified, because we work according to the ISA rules a regulations, pruning standards and OSHA safety rules. i will be ISA CERT by this year though

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gsward

OK then, what is a "certified arborist" allowed to do by law and not allowed to do by law?

OK Johnny I'm sorry I can't put a pressure dressing on your wound to stop your bleeding because I'm not a "certified doctor". Guess you're gonna have to die dude.

Maybe then a plant pathologist should come down on a certified arborist when they think they are qualified in plant diagnosis. Or a soil scientist should say to a certified arborist you can't diagnose soil pH because you're not a certified soil scientist.......

Guess I was wrong about aussies. My images were you people were free. Your history and americas history are a little similar with its origination. Americans fled from all the regulated bull____, while aussies were forced from all the regulated bull____. This Bull____ is happening here in america also. More and more we are forced into more regulated bull____ here. Why do we allow ourselves to be treated like children, or pets?

Live Free.

Apocalypsse

Tissue? Regulations for this industry are better than the way it is now, cowboys (by your post I'm assuming you are one) running around doing dodgy work and not offering up useful advice.

Arborists are trained for plant and soil diagnosis, to an extent, if they need further info they send samples away to lab to have them tested. There are no laws, but if you want to get good contracts, being certified is generally a requirement.

Also, freedom is an illusion.

Eric Frei

We have this thread:-

Parliament Sittings Arborist Industry Regulation

You'll discover we are actually free, especially with training where all roads in USA lead to ISA

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highlandtrees

i would say u probably should have have a certfificate3 in arb or at least an understanding of tree phisyology before calling your self an arborist as as there is a lot to know please excuse my spelling no spell cheque

Eric Frei

That's why there is "Tax Agents" and Accountants.

You can go to H&R Block at the local mall and do a $80 tax return by a tax agent.

But that doesn't make them an accountant.

To be an accountant you have to do the yards and get the degree.

If you feel you have the knowledge and experience then here in Australia, unlike the USA ISA (), we have RPL where you can get that recognised. I believe ISA is copying many of the superior Australian ways. For instance, imagine being a so called arborist from a multi-choice exam where no practical skills are assessed.

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gsward

Having the title "Certified" may not be a bad thing. It shows commitment and dedication of the participant. It can show the world a level of knowledge. It can be used as an advertising tool. But, it may have negatives as well. It weeds out others and restricts who can do what.

Technically, it really does not guarantee competance. It only shows the ability of that person to memorize a certain bit of knowledge, and then choose correctly the best one answer out of four choices. For a few hundred dollars even you can take the test.

I'm not downing those who are certified. Many are very good at their work. I have learned alot from yall. But, instead of mandating arborists become certified it should be the right of the consumer to choose a "certified arborist", or a "ISA certified arborist", or "Arborist", or "Forester", or "Plant Pathologist", or .... In a free market society (this is another illusion) the consumer should be given the right to choose, especially when the tree is on their own property.

This is just my opinion. Opinions are like ass holes, everyone has one, and they stink.

Eric Frei

I would hope that for the sake of consumers USA does have something like our Trade Practices Act that offers consumers protection from snake oil merchants.

The consumer should expect that the person performing the appendectomy is a surgeon, not a wannabe with a scalpel who argues that a free market gives them the right to practice.

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jmcg.insight.gardens

hmm.... isn't that what doctors do? they anaylise symptoms and choose out of those symptoms a choice of four options for the problem. From those four options they narrow it down to the most likely cause.

That is'nt a rational argument to me, doctors are generally fairly informed people.

Can you argue that there is a better way to deduce solutions to problems. After all, an informed choice is just that.

Arborists here have to pass exams, to prove they have the required understanding of the subject, also assessments that clearly show if they understand the subject. Otherwise no pass.

They are certified by their training organisation, why then would you need to become certified again. Unless some fraud organisation wants to take the money, why else?

That could be compared to a doctor getting their degree, and then having to be certified by some organisation again before they can practice.

No rationale to that argument. All your statements do, is denegrate our training organisations. Does not cut it with me.

Eric Frei

I'm watching as he carefully pollutes many threads with inuendo and crap .... he'll be getting banned soon.

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jmcg.insight.gardens

Well, I have an opinion on that comment,........ all people have arseholes, but some people are arseholes

gsward

My apologies for mis-interpretations. I did not intend for the recipient to take my meaning in a negative way. I am not down-grading the "certified arborist". I even stated their dedication, commitment, level of knowledge, and the fact I have learned very much from them. Certifying can be a good thing for some.

My point is if mandating a certified arborist, the definition as to what a certified arborist can do and not do from the non certified arborist needs to be made clear by the law that mandates this certification. If you do this, be careful of the resulting consequences.

I just felt, as comparing to the medical field, that the doctor does not do it all. There are different levels from doctors(various levels), nurses(RN,LPN,CNA...), xray techs, lab workers, ..... OK then the certified arborist can be the doctor and the non-certified can be technicians. All doing their part for a common cause.

I also apologize if I have said anything to offend anyone. This was never my intention. I just believe in free speech, and figured if we were all here to learn and share ideas that maybe I might be able to participate. Being banned for free speech is exactly how it is here in america.

If you do ban me, no problem. I'm american, I'm used to it. You still have a good site here. Education needs all sides of the issues. 4- dimensional.

Paul Toivonen

Funny how so many people love to call themselves arobrists or horts w/o being qualified.
There are plenty out there who do it as a hobby, study part time etc just so they can hang a tag on themselves.
My tec was full of them.
Nothing wrong with that, but mostly they had a serious lack of common sence and no practical experience.
They are the type who get upset if you try to tell them something, and some jobs seem impossible to them.
One fellow explained it to me; As long as you have been in the industry for over 5yrs you are qualified.
Another one proclaimed himself "I am a self taught horiculturist"
My question to him was; So how did you test yourself? Was it open book, multiple choice, closed book or other?
A quick plant ID quiz (Genus, species, common name) soon sorted him out.

Tony Knight

I to take great pleasure in shooting down those in denial... Its as close as I get to a blood sport.




Cheers

Tony

Kenny Koala

Arborist title... When to use it??

When you're at the local on friday night trying use your wood





I'm a qualified horticulturalist.
It pisses me off when i hear blokes that i wouldn't let mow a cow paddock call themselves a Horticulturalist.

I've spent the time in the class room as well as spending 20 plus years working in the field, so i have right to call myself that.

Some tosser that has borrowed a mates trailer and bought a mower hasn't, so he shouldn't be permitted to use the term.

There are massive differences in all cases.
If you haven't done the qualification don't use it when your not

Paul Toivonen

I guess "the tag" makes for good dinner party conversation.

Apocalypsse

It's amazing how little people know what our titles are or even what they are. Had this country high school teacher come up to us and ask, "So is Arborism like Buddhism?"