Arboricultura y Peter Sterken

Lola Infante · 11th December 2007, 09:35 AM

Con la carne del alma de gallina, que dir?a Sabina. As? me he quedado ante los indicios, a t?tulo personal evidencias, de que nuestro medio ambiente, que es de todos, no del poderoso caballero Don Dinero, est? en manos de un grup?sculo de individuos que no tienen el m?s m?nimo pudor en plagiar abiertamente la labor de otros.

He seguido los trabajos de investigaci?n del SE?OR PETER STERKEN (y l?ase bien, SE?OR) desde hace a?os, como tantas otras personas en el mundo.

No entend?a, o me negaba a entender, c?mo era posible que un talento como el suyo, topara siempre con puertas cerradas (?de madera, quiz?s?) y muros de hormig?n.

No entend?a que su talento fuera inversamente proporcional a su ?xito profesional.

Y, perdonen mi ingenuidad, sigo sin dar cr?dito.

?? ?Es que nadie va a hacer nada? !!

La A.E.A. (Asociaci?n Espa?ola de Arboricultura) parece ser el ?top-manta? de la arboricultura, pero con unos beneficios astron?micamente mayores.

Alzo mi voz y hago un llamamiento entre desesperado, estupefacto e indignado, al periodismo de investigaci?n, a los entes p?blicos que se salven de esta corrupci?n, a las asociaciones de medio ambiente ?ntegras, a aquellos colectivos o individuos afectados o sensibilizados y , en ultima instancia o primera a la Justicia de este pa?s. Para ?so mismo, para hacer justicia, y para lavar la imagen de aquellos que SI tienen como prioridad el bien com?n.

Me niego, y estoy en mi derecho como ciudadana, a que, ni un solo c?ntimo del dinero que pago en impuestos, llegue de alguna manera a las arcas de estos se?ores. A que los ?rboles que alimentan mis pulmones, est?n en manos de ratas de despacho.que comen lo que sea para medrar, y que si te atacan, te contagian sus miserias. ?SE?ORES! Su lugar no esta en la planta no s? qu? del edificio aquel, sino mucho mas abajo.

Aunque lo m?o son las ciencias sociales, se sumar 2+2 y me da 4. Ahora, que cada cual haga un examen de conciencia y valore si ha habido plagio o no.

A m? me queda la pena negra de que estos??.., hayan destrozado la vida de esta y, probablemente otras personas. Pero a todas les digo que unan sus voces para desenmascarar y poner a cada cual en su sitio (que para el Juicio Final ya habr? tiempo). Para que algunos, dejen de llenar su boca, sus bolsillos y su ego con la genialidad de otros.

P.D.: y yo utilizando papel reciclado??.Ante Este Asco.

Lola Infante.

Dagnela · 11th December 2007, 10:50 AM

Hola a todos,

Veo en internet que esos ?expertos? (Moya, Plumed, Littardi ,...) impartieron cursos despu?s de haberle robado el trabajo a peter.
Eso es : se llevaron el dinero y la fama que a ?l le pertenec?a...

por ejemplo : est?tica de palmeras, littardi, 2007 para Asociaci?n Espa?ola de Arboricultura. Y no me creo que esa asociaci?n no supiera nada de eso. JAJAJA

newguy18 · 11th December 2007, 11:57 AM

I can't say it in spanish but welcome to treeworld.

Ekka · 11th December 2007, 12:24 PM

Email received from Peter dated 10 October 2007

Quote:

Dear colleague,

My work on palms and stability, has probably been copied illegally by Bernab? Moya S?nchez, Littardi Claudio, Jos? Plumed e Bigel.

Their “new model for palms” (2007) appeared to be pure plagiarism of the model I published in 2005 in “Palms, wind and safety”.

The evidences are attached to this mail, in the case anyone would doubt it.

Hence:

My latest work “The Elastic Stability of Palms” and “La Estabilidad El?stica de las Palmeras” (April 2007) has been submitted to several journals in different languages. Before I discovered the plagiarism.

So now, my concern is to avoid this scientific fraud, with my new palm work.

Therefore, I would ask for your cooperation, in case you would detect scientific fraud or plagiarism, by these “palm-experts” or others.

It would be very sad, that this could happen with impunity in the Arboricultural and Palm care Community.

Best regards,

Peter Sterken

Email received from Peter dated 22 November 2007

Quote:

Dear all,

The authors Littardi et al.(1) have removed “their new method” for palms, that appeared to be pure plagiarism of my older work, from their site.

Since we have not received any reply from them regarding this case, my lawyer and I must consider this as their public confession.

As evidenced by the following, we are of goodwill and gladly admit a mistake, so we still expect the same from these authors.

On the other hand, I have to withdraw the phrase “probably the same plagiarism as their website version” (09-10-2007), since today I received from a colleague a copy of (2) and (3). These articles are not the same as (1).

Herewith, I offer my apologies to the Asociaci?n Espa?ola de Arboricultura for writing “probably the same plagiarism as their website version”.

Nevertheless, all the other described facts regarding the AEA remain the same.

The modified version of my report will as soon as possible be posted on my site (STERKEN).

Finally: My work and its knowledge contained is definitely meant to be used. But naturally, as anywhere else, the name of the author and publishing data have simply to be given as well then.

Many thanks to all who supported me in this case,

Peter Sterken

21-11-2007

Blankenberge.

Estimado/a,

Los autores Littardi et al.(1) han retirado “su nuevo m?todo para palmeras", que result? ser plagio puro de trabajos anteriores m?os, del internet.

Mi abogado y yo, consideramos esto como su confesi?n p?blica, ya que nunca hemos recibido ninguna reacci?n por parte de ellos.

Como se evidencia a continuaci?n, somos de buena voluntad y, encantados, admitimos un error, as? que todav?a esperamos lo mismo de estos autores.

Por el otro lado, debo retirar la frase “probablemente con el mismo plagio que en la p?gina web” (09-10-2007), al recibir hoy de un compa?ero los art?culos (2) y (3). Estos art?culos no son los mismos que (1).

Asimismo, ofrezco mis disculpas a la Asociaci?n Espa?ola de Arboricultura por escribir “probablemente con el mismo plagio que en la p?gina web”.

Sin embargo, todos los dem?s hechos en cuanto a la AEA se quedan en pie.

La versi?n modificada de mi informe se colgar? en mi web cuanto antes (STERKEN).

Por ?ltimo: Mi trabajo, y el conocimiento contenido en ?l, lo publico justamente para que los dem?s lo utilicen. Pero, naturalmente y como en cualquier lado, hay que hacer simplemente referencia al autor y los datos de su publicaci?n.

Muchas gracias a todos los que me hab?is apoyado en este caso,

Peter Sterken

21-11-2007

Blankenberge.

References/ referencias

1. Contributo alla conoscenza del rischio di schianto delle palme del genere Phoenix

By Bernab? Moya S?nchez, Littardi Claudio, Jos? Plumed e Bigel

And found in the internet 5 october 2007 on the site of:

CENTRO STUDI E RICERCHE PER LE PALME

Claudio Littardi
Centro Studi e Ricerche per le Palme
Villa Ormond – 18038 Sanremo
Tel. 0184 541623 • setambie@sistel.it

2. Valutazione del rischio di schianto per le palme-VPA (Visual Palm Assessment) contributo ad una nuova metodologia d’andagine.

Claudio Littardi

December 2006. Arbol / Arbor

3. Contribuci?n al conocimiento de la propiedad de flexi?n y el riesgo de rotura de las palmeras del g?nero Phoenix.

Bernab? Moya, Jos? Plumed, Robert Biguel y Claudio Littardi

July 2007. La Cultura del Arbol

TREE-SURFER · 11th December 2007, 12:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by newguy18

I can't say it in spanish but welcome to treeworld.

Can anyone else speak the lingo?

Ekka · 11th December 2007, 12:40 PM

There's some debate on of Plagerism, you can try this, gives some idea of what's going on.

AltaVista - Babel Fish Translation

Quintrex · 12th December 2007, 12:18 AM

Lola Infante · 12th December 2007, 02:57 AM

As Sabina would say, shivering with chicken skin. That is how I have been left by what I personally see as evidences, of how our environment, which is of everybody and not only of the powerful Mister Money, is in the hands of a little group of individuals, who have no shame at all in stealing openly the work of others.

I have been following the investigation work of SIR PETER STERKEN (be it read well, SIR) since years just as so many people in the world.

I could not understand at all, or I wouldn?t wanted to, how is was possible that such a talent, always stood before closed doors (wooden maybe?) and concrete walls.

I could not understand how his talent could be inversely proportional to his professional success.

And, sorry for my lack of ingenuity, but I still do not understand.

!! ?can it be, that really nobody will do nothing about this? !!

The A.E.A. (Asociaci?n Espa?ola de Arboricultura) seems to be the ?top manta? (illegal sales in Spanish streets) of arboriculture, but with some benefits astronomically higher.

I raise my voice, and make a call for investigation journalism, between hopeless, utterly surprised and indignation, to the public entities that are free from this corruption, to the honest societies involved with planet?s health, to the affected or conscious persons and in the last or first place to Justice in this country.
That is, to make justice and to clean the image of those who DO have as priority the common good.

I will not accept, which is my right as citizen, that even one cent of the taxes I pay reaches in some way the treasure coffer of these misters.
I will not accept that the trees, who feed my lungs, are in the hands of office rats that eat whatever to procreate, and that if they attack you, they will contaminate you with their miseries. DEAR SIRS! Their place is not in whatever level of that skyscraper but much lower than that.

Although mine are social sciences, I know how to sum 2+2, and it gives me 4. Now, let each do his exam of consciousness and evaluate if there has been plagiarism or not.

It is terrible for me to see how these . . . . have destroyed the life of this person, and probably also that of others. But to all of those, I say that they should unify their voices to undo hidden faces and put in his right place to all (the time will come anyway for the Juicio Final).
So that some will stop filling their mouth, pockets and ego with the geniality of others.

PS: and I am so silly to use recycled paper. . .Ante Este Asco (in front of this shit).

Lola Infante

Ekka · 12th December 2007, 03:19 AM

Just letting everyone know that I have emailed Peter to inform him of this thread.

I think that the general "gist" of the posts here is along the line of getting papers out there for general use is of greater importance than either the rights or income of the individuals who wrote the paper.

Peter Sterken has extensive research in a methodology of calculating palm stability. He is/was publishing his findings in Arb Journals I believe, perhaps remunerated for doing so.

There's obviously some conflict, hopefully we get the full story and the story should be told.

You guys know as much as I do, other than that lets wait for Peter's response.

Lola, are you saying the AEA has done some-one injustice? Please clarify the role of AEA in this matter.

Dagnela · 12th December 2007, 05:54 AM

OK, I translate it for you:

I see in the internet that these ?experts? (Moya, Plumed, Littardi ,...) gave many workshops after having stolen peter his work.
So : they took the money and fame that should be his...

for example : est?tica de palmeras (palm statics), littardi, 2007 for the Asociaci?n Espa?ola de Arboricultura.

And I don?t believe that this association did not know anything about this; HAHAHA

Ekka · 12th December 2007, 12:44 PM

Peter's work has always been available for use by people ... free.

He said that in his November email.

Quote:

Finally: My work and its knowledge contained is definitely meant to be used. But naturally, as anywhere else, the name of the author and publishing data have simply to be given as well then.

However to use his work is that, and credit is to be put to him. To reproduce his work and claim it as yours is fraud, known as plagerism in professional circles.

Some people did that, they copied his work didn't they, sold it as "their new method". What a low life act.

And it appears the AEA allowed these fraudsters to market the work earning income. Perhaps time to write to the AEA for them to explain their role in this conspiracy to defraud Peter and earn money. I wonder what actions they took?

treeseer · 16th December 2007, 05:05 PM

All PS seemed to ask for was attribution while making it public, nothing wrong with that. I take a lot of stuff from Gilman et al but it is not stealing when they say ok.

I can't read spanish so i will not judge the spaniards.

Tree Machine · 23rd February 2008, 06:35 AM

It is critically important to reference and credit the original researcher.

Plaigerism is a fancy, writer's-world word for 'stealing'.

Lo Sentimos para las problemas. Estamos con nosotros.

dannyboysfc · 23rd February 2008, 08:33 PM

Estamos con nosotros???? Yo creo que el quiera decir que Estamos Con Ustedes!

Manuel Salamanca · 17th April 2008, 11:53 AM

Is there really no justice or goodwill in arboriculture? Look at the new attached documents about the fraude-case...

Y aquí seguimos con la movida: ¿es que no hay justicia o buena voluntad por parte de la arboricultura?...
Mirad los nuevos documentos adjuntos sobre este caso de fraude...

Salud y justicia!

11th December 2007, 10:50 AM	#2 (permalink)
Dagnela I'm new here so be nice Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Chile Posts: 2	Re: Arboricultura y Peter Sterken Hola a todos, Veo en internet que esos ?expertos? (Moya, Plumed, Littardi ,...) impartieron cursos despu?s de haberle robado el trabajo a peter. Eso es : se llevaron el dinero y la fama que a ?l le pertenec?a... por ejemplo : est?tica de palmeras, littardi, 2007 para Asociaci?n Espa?ola de Arboricultura. Y no me creo que esa asociaci?n no supiera nada de eso. JAJAJA

11th December 2007, 11:57 AM	#3 (permalink)
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11th December 2007, 12:40 PM	#6 (permalink)
Ekka Admin - Dip Arb & Hort Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 7,734	Re: Arboricultura y Peter Sterken There's some debate on of Plagerism, you can try this, gives some idea of what's going on. AltaVista - Babel Fish Translation __________________ Arborist Training in Australia\| Your Free Helping Guide Free Tree and Green Industry Link Directory .... Yes, I also SEO (Optimize) and build websites that fly high in Google Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding and Stump Removal Brisbane Brisbane - Gold Coast Tree Care, Consulting, Developer, Tree and Arborist Reports Forum Sponsors

12th December 2007, 12:18 AM	#7 (permalink)
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12th December 2007, 02:57 AM	#8 (permalink)
Lola Infante I'm new here so be nice Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Madrid Posts: 2	Re: Arboricultura y Peter Sterken As Sabina would say, shivering with chicken skin. That is how I have been left by what I personally see as evidences, of how our environment, which is of everybody and not only of the powerful Mister Money, is in the hands of a little group of individuals, who have no shame at all in stealing openly the work of others. I have been following the investigation work of SIR PETER STERKEN (be it read well, SIR) since years just as so many people in the world. I could not understand at all, or I wouldn?t wanted to, how is was possible that such a talent, always stood before closed doors (wooden maybe?) and concrete walls. I could not understand how his talent could be inversely proportional to his professional success. And, sorry for my lack of ingenuity, but I still do not understand. !! ?can it be, that really nobody will do nothing about this? !! The A.E.A. (Asociaci?n Espa?ola de Arboricultura) seems to be the ?top manta? (illegal sales in Spanish streets) of arboriculture, but with some benefits astronomically higher. I raise my voice, and make a call for investigation journalism, between hopeless, utterly surprised and indignation, to the public entities that are free from this corruption, to the honest societies involved with planet?s health, to the affected or conscious persons and in the last or first place to Justice in this country. That is, to make justice and to clean the image of those who DO have as priority the common good. I will not accept, which is my right as citizen, that even one cent of the taxes I pay reaches in some way the treasure coffer of these misters. I will not accept that the trees, who feed my lungs, are in the hands of office rats that eat whatever to procreate, and that if they attack you, they will contaminate you with their miseries. DEAR SIRS! Their place is not in whatever level of that skyscraper but much lower than that. Although mine are social sciences, I know how to sum 2+2, and it gives me 4. Now, let each do his exam of consciousness and evaluate if there has been plagiarism or not. It is terrible for me to see how these . . . . have destroyed the life of this person, and probably also that of others. But to all of those, I say that they should unify their voices to undo hidden faces and put in his right place to all (the time will come anyway for the Juicio Final). So that some will stop filling their mouth, pockets and ego with the geniality of others. PS: and I am so silly to use recycled paper. . .Ante Este Asco (in front of this shit). Lola Infante

12th December 2007, 03:19 AM	#9 (permalink)
Ekka Admin - Dip Arb & Hort Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 7,734	Re: Arboricultura y Peter Sterken Just letting everyone know that I have emailed Peter to inform him of this thread. I think that the general "gist" of the posts here is along the line of getting papers out there for general use is of greater importance than either the rights or income of the individuals who wrote the paper. Peter Sterken has extensive research in a methodology of calculating palm stability. He is/was publishing his findings in Arb Journals I believe, perhaps remunerated for doing so. There's obviously some conflict, hopefully we get the full story and the story should be told. You guys know as much as I do, other than that lets wait for Peter's response. Lola, are you saying the AEA has done some-one injustice? Please clarify the role of AEA in this matter. __________________ Arborist Training in Australia\| Your Free Helping Guide Free Tree and Green Industry Link Directory .... Yes, I also SEO (Optimize) and build websites that fly high in Google Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding and Stump Removal Brisbane Brisbane - Gold Coast Tree Care, Consulting, Developer, Tree and Arborist Reports Forum Sponsors

12th December 2007, 05:54 AM	#10 (permalink)
Dagnela I'm new here so be nice Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Chile Posts: 2	Re: Arboricultura y Peter Sterken OK, I translate it for you: I see in the internet that these ?experts? (Moya, Plumed, Littardi ,...) gave many workshops after having stolen peter his work. So : they took the money and fame that should be his... for example : est?tica de palmeras (palm statics), littardi, 2007 for the Asociaci?n Espa?ola de Arboricultura. And I don?t believe that this association did not know anything about this; HAHAHA

16th December 2007, 05:05 PM	#12 (permalink)
treeseer Over mature heritage tree Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: SE USA Posts: 889	Re: Arboricultura y Peter Sterken All PS seemed to ask for was attribution while making it public, nothing wrong with that. I take a lot of stuff from Gilman et al but it is not stealing when they say ok. I can't read spanish so i will not judge the spaniards. __________________ Guy Meilleur \| Forensic Arborist \| Better Tree Care

23rd February 2008, 06:35 AM	#13 (permalink)
Tree Machine Over mature heritage tree Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 714	It is critically important to reference and credit the original researcher. Plaigerism is a fancy, writer's-world word for 'stealing'. Lo Sentimos para las problemas. Estamos con nosotros.

23rd February 2008, 08:33 PM	#14 (permalink)
dannyboysfc Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: California Posts: 173	Re: Arboricultura y Peter Sterken Estamos con nosotros???? Yo creo que el quiera decir que Estamos Con Ustedes!