ANSI rule on 15lb| 6.8kg saw weight limit

Ekka · 17th March 2008, 07:33 PM

Apparently there's an ANSI standard that says when the service weight of your saw exceeds the 15lb limit it shouldn't be hanging on your belt.

Could be ANSI Z 1.33.1 section 6.2

Anyone have this standard and can elaborate?

George Hayduke · 17th March 2008, 09:18 PM

6.3.3 When an arborist or other worker is working in a tree other than from an aerial device, chain saws weighing more than 15 pounds (6.8 kg) service weigh shall be made safe against falling (supported by a separate line or tool lanyard).

Get a list of the saws that weigh over 15# with fuel and oil--sans bar. I'll bet that it's a short list

It isn't a requirement to use a lanyard on lighter weight saws. Seems like a reasonable standard. What is the standard in Oz?

JohN Dee · 17th March 2008, 10:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by George Hayduke

6.3.3 When an arborist or other worker is working in a tree other than from an aerial device, chain saws weighing more than 15 pounds (6.8 kg) service weigh shall be made safe against falling (supported by a separate line or tool lanyard).

Get a list of the saws that weigh over 15# with fuel and oil--sans bar. I'll bet that it's a short list

It isn't a requirement to use a lanyard on lighter weight saws. Seems like a reasonable standard. What is the standard in Oz?

Ahh! I think we have some confusion here?

I originally interpreted it as in, you had to have a separate line attached to the tree for your saw if it weighs over 6.8kg(15lbs).

But now I think it actually means if it weighs over the specified amount^, it must be attached to your harness via a separate line(Tool strop)?

Eg: In USA, dismantling a tree with a 200T without having it attached to your harness is all good, but if you dismantle pines like other members on here do with a 066, it must(according to the ANSI legislation) attached to your harness via a tool strop?

Not that I'd dismantle a tree with my 200T unattached to me(Talk about hard yakka)

, I would be able to do so if I wished in the USA?

If i've interpreted it right, I also think it's a reasonable standard. As to our own standards:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Code of Practice: Amentity Tree Industry, NSW 1998

When using a chainsaw in an EWP, the saw should be started outside the bucket and should be attached to the operator or the
bucket by a tool strop with a weak link.

That's the only piece I found that states we must have it attached to ourselves... Pretty odd it's only for EWP's. Woulda thought it would be overall, when you got all these people that forget about commen sense when they're being an ultra cool hero legend removing their best mates tree...

I'll try and find out if it's going to be in the latest standards(2008, for NSW) that are being reviewed by the public in a few weeks...

Ekka · 17th March 2008, 10:53 PM

Supported by a separate lanyard, buts OK if that lanyard is attached to your harness.

I miss understood, I thought they wanted hanging off the tree or something.

How the heck else to have the saw on you?

Also, I noticed that the Buckingham tear away lanyard is now tagged 15lbs ... which to me seems crazy but have a look.

And also you read crazy crap like this.

Quote:

Buckingham® Tear Away Chainsaw Lanyard

Tear away safety pack activates when 200 lbs. of force is applied. If dropped during use, saw falls below your feet without falling to the ground. Built-in bungee measures up to 50" when fully extended for ample reach when cutting. 1-1/8" Ring lets you attach lanyard to your saddle, while a 1-3/4" ring allows you to suspend the saw on the saddle.

Not designed for use with chainsaws weighing more than 15 lbs. High-visibility yellow.

Therrin · 18th March 2008, 03:04 AM

That sounds like a CYA.

Most stuff in the ropes industry has a safety buffer built in, whether mentioned or not.

Ya should "test" one...

TreeDimensional · 18th March 2008, 05:31 PM

Under the 1988 ANSI standards, Ekka, you would have been correct. Here is the details pertaining to the issue.

ANSI Z133.1-1988

6.2.2 Power saws weighing more than 15 pounds (6.8kg) (service weight) that are used in trees shall be supported by a separate line, except when used froma an aria-lift device.

Where there are no lateral branches on which to crotch a separate support line for power saws weighing over 15 pounds (6.8 kg), a false crotch shall be used. A false crotch is one that can hold power-saw lines without slipping or becoming untied.

I hope someone that has the current standards makes a post. It seems they might have made changes to the standard. I realize my standard is at least three revisions old, and as we only refer to the ANSI standards in Canada, they aren't the law here.

Ekka · 18th March 2008, 09:24 PM

What a stupid standard that was!

Separate rope and false crotch for your saw. I wonder what desk jockeys invented that especially back then when small saws weighed a lot more than they do today.

bigshea13 · 19th March 2008, 10:19 PM

someone correct me if im wrong but in the 30 hr osha class i took they informed us that if we can, display that your reason for not following the rule ,or adjusting it makes the job safer than if the rule was followed ..then it can be dismissed or if a fine is handed out it can be ruled on by a committee. they arent set in stone. every situation is different and its given as a general guidelines to be followed.

dannyboysfc · 19th March 2008, 10:40 PM

To me the only time I use a saw greater than 15 Lbs is when chunking down the bigger stuff using the 880, 660, or 460. Im not sure about the 460, but I know that the ther two are over 15 Lbs.

Ive never heard that about the false crotch for a saw, don't believe it either!

dannyboysfc · 19th March 2008, 10:53 PM

Word for word, from the ANSI book:
ANSI Z133.1-2006
6.3.3
When an arborist or other worker is working in a tree other than from an aerial device, chain saws weighing more than 15 pounds(6.8 Kg) service weight shall be made safe agianst falling (i.e., supported by a seperate line or tool lanyard).

on page 17

bigshea13 · 19th March 2008, 11:02 PM

i use to climb with a 365 special with a 325 chain and a 16 '' bar. the guy running the show kept saying i was breaking some rule about weight. i never paid him any mind. he eventually went away.

Ekka · 20th March 2008, 02:31 AM

Yeah I think they amended the standard so you need a separate lanyard, that's all.

But all my saws are on a lanyard, how the heck else do you take one aloft?

bigshea13 · 20th March 2008, 06:48 AM

i clip mine to a carabiner on my right side

17th March 2008, 07:33 PM	#1 (permalink)
Ekka Admin - Dip Arb & Hort Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 7,734	ANSI rule on 15lb\| 6.8kg saw weight limit Apparently there's an ANSI standard that says when the service weight of your saw exceeds the 15lb limit it shouldn't be hanging on your belt. Could be ANSI Z 1.33.1 section 6.2 Anyone have this standard and can elaborate? __________________ Arborist Training in Australia\| Your Free Helping Guide Free Tree and Green Industry Link Directory .... Yes, I also SEO (Optimize) and build websites that fly high in Google Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding and Stump Removal Brisbane Brisbane - Gold Coast Tree Care, Consulting, Developer, Tree and Arborist Reports Forum Sponsors

17th March 2008, 09:18 PM	#2 (permalink)
George Hayduke Banned Join Date: May 2007 Location: Slickrock, USA Posts: 92	Re: ANSI rule on 15lb\| 6.8kg saw weight limit 6.3.3 When an arborist or other worker is working in a tree other than from an aerial device, chain saws weighing more than 15 pounds (6.8 kg) service weigh shall be made safe against falling (supported by a separate line or tool lanyard). Get a list of the saws that weigh over 15# with fuel and oil--sans bar. I'll bet that it's a short list It isn't a requirement to use a lanyard on lighter weight saws. Seems like a reasonable standard. What is the standard in Oz?

18th March 2008, 03:04 AM	#5 (permalink)
Therrin The Tree World Bandit Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Lancaster, Ca Posts: 1,424	Re: ANSI rule on 15lb\| 6.8kg saw weight limit That sounds like a CYA. Most stuff in the ropes industry has a safety buffer built in, whether mentioned or not. Ya should "test" one... __________________ Ken Fessia I.T.S.A. Tree Service (661) 916-4703

18th March 2008, 05:31 PM	#6 (permalink)
TreeDimensional Mature tree Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Canada Posts: 420	Re: ANSI rule on 15lb\| 6.8kg saw weight limit Under the 1988 ANSI standards, Ekka, you would have been correct. Here is the details pertaining to the issue. ANSI Z133.1-1988 6.2.2 Power saws weighing more than 15 pounds (6.8kg) (service weight) that are used in trees shall be supported by a separate line, except when used froma an aria-lift device. Where there are no lateral branches on which to crotch a separate support line for power saws weighing over 15 pounds (6.8 kg), a false crotch shall be used. A false crotch is one that can hold power-saw lines without slipping or becoming untied. I hope someone that has the current standards makes a post. It seems they might have made changes to the standard. I realize my standard is at least three revisions old, and as we only refer to the ANSI standards in Canada, they aren't the law here. __________________ West Central Saskatchewan ISA Certified Arborist

18th March 2008, 09:24 PM	#7 (permalink)
Ekka Admin - Dip Arb & Hort Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 7,734	Re: ANSI rule on 15lb\| 6.8kg saw weight limit What a stupid standard that was! Separate rope and false crotch for your saw. I wonder what desk jockeys invented that especially back then when small saws weighed a lot more than they do today. __________________ Arborist Training in Australia\| Your Free Helping Guide Free Tree and Green Industry Link Directory .... Yes, I also SEO (Optimize) and build websites that fly high in Google Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding and Stump Removal Brisbane Brisbane - Gold Coast Tree Care, Consulting, Developer, Tree and Arborist Reports Forum Sponsors

19th March 2008, 10:19 PM	#8 (permalink)
bigshea13 Mature tree Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: hiding Posts: 378	Re: ANSI rule on 15lb\| 6.8kg saw weight limit someone correct me if im wrong but in the 30 hr osha class i took they informed us that if we can, display that your reason for not following the rule ,or adjusting it makes the job safer than if the rule was followed ..then it can be dismissed or if a fine is handed out it can be ruled on by a committee. they arent set in stone. every situation is different and its given as a general guidelines to be followed.

19th March 2008, 10:40 PM	#9 (permalink)
dannyboysfc Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: California Posts: 173	Re: ANSI rule on 15lb\| 6.8kg saw weight limit To me the only time I use a saw greater than 15 Lbs is when chunking down the bigger stuff using the 880, 660, or 460. Im not sure about the 460, but I know that the ther two are over 15 Lbs. Ive never heard that about the false crotch for a saw, don't believe it either!

19th March 2008, 10:53 PM	#10 (permalink)
dannyboysfc Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: California Posts: 173	Re: ANSI rule on 15lb\| 6.8kg saw weight limit Word for word, from the ANSI book: ANSI Z133.1-2006 6.3.3 When an arborist or other worker is working in a tree other than from an aerial device, chain saws weighing more than 15 pounds(6.8 Kg) service weight shall be made safe agianst falling (i.e., supported by a seperate line or tool lanyard). on page 17

19th March 2008, 11:02 PM	#11 (permalink)
bigshea13 Mature tree Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: hiding Posts: 378	Re: ANSI rule on 15lb\| 6.8kg saw weight limit i use to climb with a 365 special with a 325 chain and a 16 '' bar. the guy running the show kept saying i was breaking some rule about weight. i never paid him any mind. he eventually went away.

20th March 2008, 02:31 AM	#12 (permalink)
Ekka Admin - Dip Arb & Hort Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 7,734	Re: ANSI rule on 15lb\| 6.8kg saw weight limit Yeah I think they amended the standard so you need a separate lanyard, that's all. But all my saws are on a lanyard, how the heck else do you take one aloft? __________________ Arborist Training in Australia\| Your Free Helping Guide Free Tree and Green Industry Link Directory .... Yes, I also SEO (Optimize) and build websites that fly high in Google Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding and Stump Removal Brisbane Brisbane - Gold Coast Tree Care, Consulting, Developer, Tree and Arborist Reports Forum Sponsors

20th March 2008, 06:48 AM	#13 (permalink)
bigshea13 Mature tree Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: hiding Posts: 378	Re: ANSI rule on 15lb\| 6.8kg saw weight limit i clip mine to a carabiner on my right side

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