Angled back cut| backcut| tree felling| back cuts

osb_mail · 5th April 2008, 12:19 AM

This guy is about 35 to 40 %of tree height I am with on the highest strong point that I can hit with a throw line without getting to mad .

Ekka · 5th April 2008, 12:26 AM

Lordy, I'm going out for a bite now but I started to watch that fools other videos there about how to fell and he sticks a rope up like 10' on a ladder!

It's gonna be a long night, and I registered and commented ... we'll see if the comments get published or that bush ranger will just keep his crap running.

sawsong · 5th April 2008, 01:41 AM

aparently his expert status is in mechanical systems but he has been felling trees for firewood for 30 years... wrongly it would seem

one of the main things i noticed on this video which may or may not be contraversial is his take two steps back. IMO it should be two back and at least one or two to the side. behind a cut tree is a danger zone, as is in front of it, and you should avoid where possible, being in either of those areas while it goes down.

a friend of my felling instructor sadly passed away when he put his felling cut in a tree, retired some 30 feet behind the tree but couldnt pull his saw out so left it in the cut rather than stand there fighting with it as the tree went over. the tree spat the saw and it flew the 30 some feet and smashed the fellow in the face.

when we did our assessment, if you got in those dangerzones, if you swapped sides of the tree to put in your back cut without leaving a suitable perimeter, you were toast, failed. It's kept me safe thus far

jim

Ekka · 5th April 2008, 03:08 AM

They should rename that place Village Idiots!

Watch the series of videos on tree felling, the guy is a full blown IDIOT. Drew Finn of Expert Village knows very little about much it appears, especially tree felling.

WARNING WARNING WARNING a site run by an idiot.

Bermy · 5th April 2008, 11:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ekka

This picture says it all...thanks for the visual aide!!!

KidInTree · 5th April 2008, 04:04 PM

great thread was taught by my former boss to use the angled cut and he never could explain it to me in a way that it was a great advantage. after reading this thread i fully comprehend why it is a bad habit and shouldnt be used for falling.
thanks guyz

osb_mail · 5th April 2008, 08:12 PM

This would have been the type of video I would have made when I was 15 years old .

osb_mail · 5th April 2008, 08:16 PM

Ekka I dont like name calling please invite drew to your forum and lets teach him something.Give him
love.

Ekka · 5th April 2008, 08:47 PM

Not my job to love idiots, especially those who think they're experts, there's another hack forum full of such idiots where they'll love him alright.

I've given an email, a comment on his video, registered as a member there, registered as an expert there. Is that enough, since when is it my job to police the planets idiots and take on all the know nothings and point out there ignorance and dangerous practices?

Now the idiot can do as he chooses, and where's the rest of the industries great orgs, and what are they doing with their great numbers?

Just another example of "everyones an expert" in our field, that guys should get his facts straight. Look at the number of views of those videos, now how many more people are running around like fools doing stupid shit coz of some village idiot expert? Cant even put a helmet on his idiot head!

I'll call him what a like, and it's spot on!

For others, here's thread aimed right at the idiot.

Beware Expert Village Idiot Drew George Finn| Dangerous Felling Practices

s.kerrone · 5th April 2008, 09:03 PM

In British Columbia, all of us that do professional tree falling have to be certified,(written and on site test),if we did just one of those unsafe acts we would lose are ticket!! Should be min.10 feet away from any tree being felled and try for some cover!! backcut has to be level,slightly above undercut!! The undercut on the video was not wide enough either!!(barber chair) I could go on and on about the video,pretty bad!!!

Ekka · 5th April 2008, 09:11 PM

Yes, it's a serious slap in the face for many of us. You guys in BC fell lots of pines, lots of timber, and have strict OHS due to deaths. 2 steps back the guy reckons.

Seems along with the box store dumbing down of our tools the weekend warriors are now training experts.

If this guy is a mechaincal engineer then he must be a dumb one. How much leverage is gained by sticking a rope that high on a trunk? Not bloody much. I dont even fell palms with the rope that low.

southsoundtree · 23rd April 2008, 11:33 PM

One point that I didn't see mentioned was the inability for the wedge to work as well. When the backcut is horizontal, the pressure from the underside of the wedge is directed downward into the stump, which can be compressed when dealing with decaying sapwood to begin with.

The higher the angle of the backcut, the more the wedge is forcing forward (as noted in multiple replies), but maybe more importantly, the wood below the wedge being pushed downward and backward is more likely to blow out under the load.

Plus 1 regarding the harder to line up sloping cut to allow for a perfect hinge.

5th April 2008, 12:19 AM	#26 (permalink)
osb_mail Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: ohio Posts: 201	Re: Angled back cut\| backcut\| tree felling\| back cuts This guy is about 35 to 40 %of tree height I am with on the highest strong point that I can hit with a throw line without getting to mad .

5th April 2008, 12:26 AM	#27 (permalink)
Ekka Eric Frei Administrator - Brisbane L5 (Dip) Hort Cert III Arb + some Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 6,943	Re: Angled back cut\| backcut\| tree felling\| back cuts Lordy, I'm going out for a bite now but I started to watch that fools other videos there about how to fell and he sticks a rope up like 10' on a ladder! It's gonna be a long night, and I registered and commented ... we'll see if the comments get published or that bush ranger will just keep his crap running. __________________ Remember to use the "search" function, if you have answers/questions post them so everyone can benefit. Free Tree and Green Industry Link Directory Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding and Stump Removal Brisbane Brisbane Tree Care, Consultations, Developer, Tree and Arborist Reports Forum Sponsors

5th April 2008, 01:41 AM	#28 (permalink)
sawsong Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Lincs/Leeds England Posts: 74	Re: Angled back cut\| backcut\| tree felling\| back cuts aparently his expert status is in mechanical systems but he has been felling trees for firewood for 30 years... wrongly it would seem one of the main things i noticed on this video which may or may not be contraversial is his take two steps back. IMO it should be two back and at least one or two to the side. behind a cut tree is a danger zone, as is in front of it, and you should avoid where possible, being in either of those areas while it goes down. a friend of my felling instructor sadly passed away when he put his felling cut in a tree, retired some 30 feet behind the tree but couldnt pull his saw out so left it in the cut rather than stand there fighting with it as the tree went over. the tree spat the saw and it flew the 30 some feet and smashed the fellow in the face. when we did our assessment, if you got in those dangerzones, if you swapped sides of the tree to put in your back cut without leaving a suitable perimeter, you were toast, failed. It's kept me safe thus far jim

5th April 2008, 03:08 AM	#29 (permalink)
Ekka Eric Frei Administrator - Brisbane L5 (Dip) Hort Cert III Arb + some Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 6,943	Re: Angled back cut\| backcut\| tree felling\| back cuts They should rename that place Village Idiots! Watch the series of videos on tree felling, the guy is a full blown IDIOT. Drew Finn of Expert Village knows very little about much it appears, especially tree felling. WARNING WARNING WARNING a site run by an idiot. __________________ Remember to use the "search" function, if you have answers/questions post them so everyone can benefit. Free Tree and Green Industry Link Directory Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding and Stump Removal Brisbane Brisbane Tree Care, Consultations, Developer, Tree and Arborist Reports Forum Sponsors

5th April 2008, 04:04 PM	#31 (permalink)
KidInTree Sappling Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Orillia, Ontatio, Canada Posts: 13	Re: Angled back cut\| backcut\| tree felling\| back cuts great thread was taught by my former boss to use the angled cut and he never could explain it to me in a way that it was a great advantage. after reading this thread i fully comprehend why it is a bad habit and shouldnt be used for falling. thanks guyz

5th April 2008, 08:12 PM	#32 (permalink)
osb_mail Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: ohio Posts: 201	Re: Angled back cut\| backcut\| tree felling\| back cuts This would have been the type of video I would have made when I was 15 years old .

5th April 2008, 08:16 PM	#33 (permalink)
osb_mail Semi-mature vigorous tree Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: ohio Posts: 201	Re: Angled back cut\| backcut\| tree felling\| back cuts Ekka I dont like name calling please invite drew to your forum and lets teach him something.Give him love.

5th April 2008, 08:47 PM	#34 (permalink)
Ekka Eric Frei Administrator - Brisbane L5 (Dip) Hort Cert III Arb + some Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 6,943	Re: Angled back cut\| backcut\| tree felling\| back cuts Not my job to love idiots, especially those who think they're experts, there's another hack forum full of such idiots where they'll love him alright. I've given an email, a comment on his video, registered as a member there, registered as an expert there. Is that enough, since when is it my job to police the planets idiots and take on all the know nothings and point out there ignorance and dangerous practices? Now the idiot can do as he chooses, and where's the rest of the industries great orgs, and what are they doing with their great numbers? Just another example of "everyones an expert" in our field, that guys should get his facts straight. Look at the number of views of those videos, now how many more people are running around like fools doing stupid shit coz of some village idiot expert? Cant even put a helmet on his idiot head! I'll call him what a like, and it's spot on! For others, here's thread aimed right at the idiot. Beware Expert Village Idiot Drew George Finn\| Dangerous Felling Practices __________________ Remember to use the "search" function, if you have answers/questions post them so everyone can benefit. Free Tree and Green Industry Link Directory Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding and Stump Removal Brisbane Brisbane Tree Care, Consultations, Developer, Tree and Arborist Reports Forum Sponsors

5th April 2008, 09:03 PM	#35 (permalink)
s.kerrone Sappling Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: duncan b.c. Posts: 18	Re: Angled back cut\| backcut\| tree felling\| back cuts In British Columbia, all of us that do professional tree falling have to be certified,(written and on site test),if we did just one of those unsafe acts we would lose are ticket!! Should be min.10 feet away from any tree being felled and try for some cover!! backcut has to be level,slightly above undercut!! The undercut on the video was not wide enough either!!(barber chair) I could go on and on about the video,pretty bad!!!

5th April 2008, 09:11 PM	#36 (permalink)
Ekka Eric Frei Administrator - Brisbane L5 (Dip) Hort Cert III Arb + some Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Brisbane Posts: 6,943	Re: Angled back cut\| backcut\| tree felling\| back cuts Yes, it's a serious slap in the face for many of us. You guys in BC fell lots of pines, lots of timber, and have strict OHS due to deaths. 2 steps back the guy reckons. Seems along with the box store dumbing down of our tools the weekend warriors are now training experts. If this guy is a mechaincal engineer then he must be a dumb one. How much leverage is gained by sticking a rope that high on a trunk? Not bloody much. I dont even fell palms with the rope that low. __________________ Remember to use the "search" function, if you have answers/questions post them so everyone can benefit. Free Tree and Green Industry Link Directory Qualified Brisbane Tree Lopping \| Stump Grinding and Stump Removal Brisbane Brisbane Tree Care, Consultations, Developer, Tree and Arborist Reports Forum Sponsors

23rd April 2008, 11:33 PM	#37 (permalink)
southsoundtree Sappling Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Olympia, WA, USA Posts: 19	Re: Angled back cut\| backcut\| tree felling\| back cuts One point that I didn't see mentioned was the inability for the wedge to work as well. When the backcut is horizontal, the pressure from the underside of the wedge is directed downward into the stump, which can be compressed when dealing with decaying sapwood to begin with. The higher the angle of the backcut, the more the wedge is forcing forward (as noted in multiple replies), but maybe more importantly, the wood below the wedge being pushed downward and backward is more likely to blow out under the load. Plus 1 regarding the harder to line up sloping cut to allow for a perfect hinge.

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